What's in it for them?

[slant]

I've been thinking about this venture for a while, lurking around here and such and I know why I'm interested in expanding my social circles outside of our physical borders and I get why others choose to do the same... What I don't get is why these women choose to list themselves with agencies, for men, from completely different cultures, who speak a completely different language, to log on, pick them out of a lineup and possibly move them away from everything they've ever known. On top of that, all of this its with a person, who I can't imagine they feel a real sense of "knowing."

Now maybe this is just because I haven't tried to contact anyone yet... Maybe, this is obvious to most of you that have been through this or are presently... But I must say that when I'm browsing through different agencies I feel like I am being sold and thats where my question originates from... I've got no problem with advertising, but it seems as though the ones I am attracted to are always the ones that I get an intrasite email from, yet none of them have found their guy as of yet... Is it really possible that these gorgeous women really have that much of a problem meeting suitable men from their own country or the ones that have looked to go international? Is it really that bad there and if so? So what is in it for them? Do these girls get paid to do photo shoots? Do they get a certain amount based on how much business they bring in?

I'm aware of the scams, but I'm talking about outside of them... I'm talking about the agencies who have success and are reputable (there has to be some or this site would be pretty empty)... I'm talking about a lot of the girls who come here... Are most of them here because they are truly in love? Or are they just happier here because it is / perceived to be better here?

[dand]

I think you need to understand the country and culture a Little better and study it, if in fact your serious about finding true love, yes they have beautiful women,  however they have beautiful women here in the states too. Why would you want to travel across the country and spend thousands of dollars bringing a girl to the states when you don't even know the culture?
I wouldn't sign up with any agency as you haven't even explored yet. start corresponding with these women on free dating sites to get to know some of them, thats where I found my girl, she is wonderful inside and out. 
All I'm saying is do your homework get to know some girls,if your serious.  I corresponded with a girl that used to work at the agency and she really educated me, yes there are girls just wanting gifts and get paid for you to talk to them and other stuff, but there are good girls too. from my experience the girls on the free dating sites are easier to communicate with and get to know. But follow the 10 commandments!

[I/O]

So what is in it for them?

A question to which there is perhaps a million answers, all of them as valid as they are invalid, some of them as honourable as they are dishonorable. IMO there is a touch of a deal attached to all these relationships, lifestyle and opportunity does factor in there somewhere, some guys and girls will admit to it and most live on "De Nile". Nevertheless, if you are to be out there on the websites or agencies selling product you, I wouldn't use those factors as a front line sell point.

I/O

[Shadow]

"What is in it for them ?"
If a life-long loving partner is not enough reward in your eyes, then you might not ever understand their reasons.
Now for the long version. Many women are not convinced when they enter them selves that they will actually find a foreign man who will visit and be interested. They put themselves in the line-up because of friends, colleagues or someone heard that someone found a husband that way. They are not nuns, and will not stop looking locally.
Usually they can be surprised with the initial amount of letters, and the nutcases that write to them. Many already give up on that.
Sometimes in between the nutcases they see a letter of a guy that might interest them. They rply, and when very lucky they manage to get a guy that calls and visits them. In some cases this turns out to be a guy they can really like, and suddenly there is a visa application. At that time only, and not before, they realise that they will be moving to another country, culture and leave behind their family and friends. If the love for the man is strong enough, they will continue, if not they will develop a case of cold feet.


Apart from the scenario described above, there are women paid to write to men. There are women paid to put up their picture or sit behind a webcam. There are men who write as women in ordr to get money from their victims.
Its up to you to find out the difference.

[kievstar]

I think there are all kinds of things which make a woman leave her country - love, better life for her children, career advancement, foreign citizenship, or just a change in environment.  

A lot of these women in the agencies also date local men so there just looking for love.  Agency is just another option for them to meet someone.

You mentioned about women lining up and men picking them.  Remember these girls pick you as well and the better looking ones have men visiting them everyday if they want.  So there picking as well.  The best girls in the agencies once there listed in first month have numbers of guys flying right away to see them.  These guys do not wait.  So the girls who tend to be in the agencies after 6 months usually not in high demand or already in committed relationship.

If want to get a very attractive young educated woman it is easier to do in your own country nowadays.  But if you want a RW than you need to travel.

[slant]

"What is in it for them ?"
If a life-long loving partner is not enough reward in your eyes, then you might not ever understand their reasons.

Of course I understand that... I question the method not the goal... But I admit they have very little to lose at first... Why not? I'm sure they are just as curious to see who all is out there as I am...

A question to which there is perhaps a million answers, all of them as valid as they are invalid, some of them as honourable as they are dishonorable. IMO there is a touch of a deal attached to all these relationships, lifestyle and opportunity does factor in there somewhere, some guys and girls will admit to it and most live on "De Nile". Nevertheless, if you are to be out there on the websites or agencies selling product you, I wouldn't use those factors as a front line sell point.

I/O

This is pretty much my feeling on this adventure so far...

I think you need to understand the country and culture a Little better and study it, if in fact your serious about finding true love, yes they have beautiful women,  however they have beautiful women here in the states too. Why would you want to travel across the country and spend thousands of dollars bringing a girl to the states when you don't even know the culture?

I'm familiar with the culture... One of my best friends is russian... I'm not sure how much a culture has to do with meeting an individual person though... There are such a wide spectrum of personalities within every culture... Every quality that one may or may not see in a women from FSU exists everywhere in the world including the US... Of course this is my opinion and  probably not the one most here have, but I understand that too...

Unlike your perception, I'm not looking into it because I think the women in the FSU are better looking than American women... Or your point would be valid... If thats all I'm looking for why not just marry an American Women? I'm not looking for anything but the "right" women... Who is to say that she is in the US? Who is to say shes not? Who's to say the women that I fall in love with isn't in Djibouti right now? (I hope not) - FSU isn't the only place I'm looking my friend...

I wouldn't sign up with any agency as you haven't even explored yet. start corresponding with these women on free dating sites to get to know some of them, thats where I found my girl, she is wonderful inside and out. 
All I'm saying is do your homework get to know some girls,if your serious.  I corresponded with a girl that used to work at the agency and she really educated me, yes there are girls just wanting gifts and get paid for you to talk to them and other stuff, but there are good girls too. from my experience the girls on the free dating sites are easier to communicate with and get to know. But follow the 10 commandments!

This board is part of the exploration my friend... This is a part of my research... I have not yet payed for a thing...

Do you have a link to any of these free correspondance sites? I haven't run across any (nor have I really tried... I just assumed they didn't exist I guess)...

One other question a bit off topic, but I'm just looking for a short answer... Has this Georgia - Russia thing made travel more difficult?

Thanks again for your responses...

[Shadow]

The current Russian-Georgia situation has little impact on traveling but I would not bring up politics in the discussion if I were you, unless you want to experience a hurricane. 

[slant]

HA HA... That sounds like you know from experience...

I wouldn't even think of it... (Cause I know from experience  )

[Shadow]

HA HA... That sounds like you know from experience...

I wouldn't even think of it... (Cause I know from experience  )

As I am married to a RW, there has passed a lot of news about this. I was already alerted to the situation two days before things got real ugly.

[MaxxumUSA]

Slant,

You can view my original posts here through search feature to find me and my wife's whole story and learn more.

My wife has given me a lot of reasons that she looked for a foreign man for marriage.  The point that she was looking for a partner for marriage and not just a boyfriend is key.  My wife is definitely a beautiful woman and would have no problem getting a man in any country BTW.  Why did she choose to put a profile on Elena's Models and seek out a foreigner for marriage?  Many reasons.  I will try to list a few but I can assure you this list is not inclusive.

First - for some reason my wife just did not view the russian men as a good option for marriage.  She was simply not attracted to them in a relationship sense.  Sure she had a few Russian boyfriends in the past but for a few reasons she did not desire to marry a Russian man.  She has stated reasons of:  Too spoiled, unfaithful, drinking too much, no career, no opportunity, etc etc.

Second - my wife had traveled to foreign lands in the past and she had seen the difference between her russia and the rest of the world.  My wife had a great job, and lived relatively well compared to 95% of most people in her city.  Even so - she still lived uncomfortable in comparison to her current life in USA.  She had to work 60-70 hrs per week, deal with crappy roads in her Lada, and deal with constant dirt and mud all around everywhere in her town.  The housing there leaves much to be desired for and usually only the very rich live in comfort comparable to the average american.

Next - Lack of opportunity in her country for her future children.  She has a strong desire to have a family but could not imagine raising one in Russia.  While there are more opportunities today than 15 years ago - there are still many opportunities to succeed that the average Russian simply does not have access to.

Money - yes money.  While we are not filthy rich we certainly live a comfortable life.  Life here with me means she does not need to work but she can if she wants.  She does not need to worry about anything financial because I care for those things.  Sometimes things are tight and we need to be careful but for the most part we do what we want, when we want, where we want.  This type of freedom can only be achieve by having the income to do so and it is much easier to make good money here in USA than in Russia.

I saved the best for last:  Love.  Yes, true love.  My wife was hoping to find her soulmate somewhere in the world.  And we both tell each other very often that we are soulmates.

Now those some of the reasons my wife has told me in the past she ventured to look for her love internationally.  There are more I'm sure but they escape me now.

So ...  to answer your question as to what's in it for them:  At least for my wife it is a combination of many things...  She found the man of her dreams (me), she lives a comfortable life with little stress and a lot of love.  She has the opportunity to attend schools of her choice, work at jobs of her choice, travel and see the world at will, and to have nice things.  These things were not all possible when she lived in Russia.

It seems like you're interested in this for similar reasons I was interested.  My main reason for seeking a woman abroad was that I wanted to be married to one good woman.  I wanted my partner in life.  Every and I mean EVERY single american woman I was in a relationship with seemed to be a competitor more than a partner.  I was fed up with this way of thinking.  So I started my search internationally.  It did not take long to find my Elena.

The main reason I selected Russia to search is because there were so many thousands of beautiful women with marriage as their goal.  With such a great amount of these women quite simply the numbers were in my favor.  I viewed thousands of profiles and narrowed my search within a few days to the top 50 or so.  Then I wrote the top 10.  My Elena was one of those top 10 and since we first talked we basically never looked back.

She has been here with me for a year and we are extremely happy together.  I wish you the same success and tell you that this whole deal is truly for real and you can find the woman that is just right for you and you will be just right for her.  If that sort of lifelong partnership and loving relationship is what you seek, then you are possibly on the right track.

Good luck to you!

- David

BTW - speaking of free sites one that I have heard of but not personally used is http://www.freepersonals.ru
I found my wife on a truly honest site at www.elenasmodels.com which I spent about $500.00 for the platinum membership for 6 months.  It's well worth the money I promise.

[kryten41]

As far as sites go, I was surprised when I looked through the profiles at freepersonals.ru to find some of the same women that were listed with Elenasmodels.com, so you don't necessarily have to spend a lot of money to find someone wonderful.  freepersonals, as the name suggests, is free: no charge to post a profile, no charge to write the women, no hidden charges, and you have a lot of options in your search criteria. 

[slant]

Slant,

You can view my original posts here through search feature to find me and my wife's whole story and learn more.

My wife has given me a lot of reasons that she looked for a foreign man for marriage.  The point that she was looking for a partner for marriage and not just a boyfriend is key.  My wife is definitely a beautiful woman and would have no problem getting a man in any country BTW.  Why did she choose to put a profile on Elena's Models and seek out a foreigner for marriage?  Many reasons.  I will try to list a few but I can assure you this list is not inclusive.

First - for some reason my wife just did not view the russian men as a good option for marriage.  She was simply not attracted to them in a relationship sense.  Sure she had a few Russian boyfriends in the past but for a few reasons she did not desire to marry a Russian man.  She has stated reasons of:  Too spoiled, unfaithful, drinking too much, no career, no opportunity, etc etc.

Second - my wife had traveled to foreign lands in the past and she had seen the difference between her russia and the rest of the world.  My wife had a great job, and lived relatively well compared to 95% of most people in her city.  Even so - she still lived uncomfortable in comparison to her current life in USA.  She had to work 60-70 hrs per week, deal with crappy roads in her Lada, and deal with constant dirt and mud all around everywhere in her town.  The housing there leaves much to be desired for and usually only the very rich live in comfort comparable to the average american.

Next - Lack of opportunity in her country for her future children.  She has a strong desire to have a family but could not imagine raising one in Russia.  While there are more opportunities today than 15 years ago - there are still many opportunities to succeed that the average Russian simply does not have access to.

Money - yes money.  While we are not filthy rich we certainly live a comfortable life.  Life here with me means she does not need to work but she can if she wants.  She does not need to worry about anything financial because I care for those things.  Sometimes things are tight and we need to be careful but for the most part we do what we want, when we want, where we want.  This type of freedom can only be achieve by having the income to do so and it is much easier to make good money here in USA than in Russia.

I saved the best for last:  Love.  Yes, true love.  My wife was hoping to find her soulmate somewhere in the world.  And we both tell each other very often that we are soulmates.

Now those some of the reasons my wife has told me in the past she ventured to look for her love internationally.  There are more I'm sure but they escape me now.

So ...  to answer your question as to what's in it for them:  At least for my wife it is a combination of many things...  She found the man of her dreams (me), she lives a comfortable life with little stress and a lot of love.  She has the opportunity to attend schools of her choice, work at jobs of her choice, travel and see the world at will, and to have nice things.  These things were not all possible when she lived in Russia.

It seems like you're interested in this for similar reasons I was interested.  My main reason for seeking a woman abroad was that I wanted to be married to one good woman.  I wanted my partner in life.  Every and I mean EVERY single american woman I was in a relationship with seemed to be a competitor more than a partner.  I was fed up with this way of thinking.  So I started my search internationally.  It did not take long to find my Elena.

The main reason I selected Russia to search is because there were so many thousands of beautiful women with marriage as their goal.  With such a great amount of these women quite simply the numbers were in my favor.  I viewed thousands of profiles and narrowed my search within a few days to the top 50 or so.  Then I wrote the top 10.  My Elena was one of those top 10 and since we first talked we basically never looked back.

She has been here with me for a year and we are extremely happy together.  I wish you the same success and tell you that this whole deal is truly for real and you can find the woman that is just right for you and you will be just right for her.  If that sort of lifelong partnership and loving relationship is what you seek, then you are possibly on the right track.

Good luck to you!

- David

BTW - speaking of free sites one that I have heard of but not personally used is http://www.freepersonals.ru
I found my wife on a truly honest site at www.elenasmodels.com which I spent about $500.00 for the platinum membership for 6 months.  It's well worth the money I promise.

Thanks for such a detailed post... I would have replied sooner but I've been in the middle of a move...

I'll definately be checking out those links too... Appreciate that...

[Lily]

Slant,

Yes we Russian women have all reasons to look abroad. Here you can find some outlines on that:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=5404.0

Look at the avatar on the left. This woman has NO chances in Russia.

I agree with David on the most that he wrote above.

I have spent quite a time in the US and Western Europe studying and working. There is a huge difference in mentality and social structure in comparison to Russia, and especially in relations of men and women.The odds here in Russia are definitely not in favor of women. They better go if they want to change anything in their lives for the best.

By the way, do you know any means for Russian women to get to know eligible Western men besides the websites? As for me, I don't. I cannot imagine myself approaching a male friend, a colleague, or a classmate that I like and telling him something like, 'Look NN, I like you a lot, you are just fantastic, I think of you most of my waking time, would you....'. For me, it is uncredible. Unfortunately... But I have no problem contacting an attractive man on site and telling him quite the same! More than that, I am HAPPY doing that, because men on sites are available and eligible, and they indeed seem to be flattered by my attention! Incredible!

[Jooky]

Hey Slant,

Something else to think about: The most popular bridal sites have 20,000 or so profiles of FSU women. Other sites have much less. Take away the scammers, old profiles, girls recruited for photo shoots, I bet there are less than 25,000 FSU women total actively looking to marry a foreigner. Even if it's 50,000 it's still just a tiny percentage of women. I'm sure at least 25,000 American women feel they have no choices here in the US, and given a viable option to meet a 'good man', they'd take it.

[kievstar]

Jooky, the number looking grows more each year but not all in agencies.  More and more girls going on internet but without agencies. I still have not met a girl in a Kiev agency that was a fake photo.  Every girl I wanted to see always showed up for a face to face and on a short notice.  They also were serious.   I think a lot of these girls called professional daters get a bad rap.  They just want to date normal guys within there league. 

For example, I watched this guy in a Kharkov agency this past Saturday.  Was fat, 60 years old, and dressed like a slob.  Can you guess who showed up to see him.  Look on this girls face was priceless.  You could tell this young girl really got ready for this date and was expecting someone else.  Men have to learn to date within their league. 

[Fashionista]

I'm talking about a lot of the girls who come here... Are most of them here because they are truly in love? Or are they just happier here because it is / perceived to be better here?

I can't speak for the "most of them", but some are definitely in love  .  If you for whatever reason don't trust "agency girls", it's not the only way to go.  For example, I never posted any profiles or was listed with an "agency", nor was I ever single for an extended period of time to even think about that. I was never looking for anyone with any particular technical specifications either .  Generally speaking, it's just normal dating (well, it should be, for healthy individuals), but, as I can imagine, VERY expensive on your side, unless you have other reasons to travel to FSU.

[KenC]

Slant,
You asked some very good questions and the RWD members gave you some very good answers.  I would like to share my thoughts too.

Why would a RW sign up with an agency?
Quite simply, why not?  My wife and I have been married now for over 9 years and met in Russia almost 10 years ago.  We both had a similar outlook on this process.  She had no burning desire to leave Russia and was not all too interested in moving to America.  Ten years later she still yearns for her Motherland and if I would agree, she would move back in a heartbeat.  But she joined an agency on a lark with her girlfriend and enjoyed conversing with Americans in English.  She may deny it, but she was open to meet foreign men and explore the possibilities.

I also was open to meet RW.  Unlike some here, I did not have a burning desire to find a Russian wife, hell, I was not even too interested in marrying anyone, American or Russian.  But I was intrigued by the RW listed on the sites and decided to explore the possibilities.  I looked at it as expanding my dating pool.  Long story short, we found lightening in a bottle, fell madly in love and are still happy 10 years later.
KenC

[AnastassiaAsh]

I wholeheartedly agree with MaxxumUSA's post. Good job!  USA is the land of opportunities where most of the time you can apply your smarts and skills and get paid accordingly, there is growth and hope/dreams that can definitely become reality.

Marrying an AM, RW can concentrate on the relationship and marriage itself, that can truly be her priority - thus making her man the happiest. If she wants to work - of course. If she wants to just raise kids and take care of the house - of course. RW doesn't have to be both a man and a woman as she usually is back in Russia. I am not saying there are no problems in this life here, but definitely it's totally another level of them. It's not survival, it's just living and making the best of it. Also her AM can for sure make her feel more of a woman, make her feel more sensitive and feminine and she can devote more time to herself.