Wife split!

[Doll]

Okay, well that makes a bit more sense.

You wrote: Простота хуже воровства

воровства = thievery

It is a SAYING! Sayings are not understood  literally

[Misha]

Okay, I will admit that I misunderstood what you were trying to say as it is an expression that I have never encountered. I have found the proper meaning of the expression online where it was defined thus: "оплошливость, неосторожность по своим последствиям бывают хуже обмана, плутовства" (see http://www.narodinfo.ru/articles/50989.html). However, even here, I can't see how it applies to Wayne. He chose to post the photo but I do not see how it was out of carelessness.

[pitbull]

It is a SAYING! Sayings are not understood literary.

Doll, I think that Простота хуже воровства is too nuanced a saying for a non-native speaker to understand.

My personal favorite one: Ума нет-считай калека- is more appropriate for the situation I think 

[Misha]

Doll, I think that Простота хуже воровства is too nuanced a saying for a non-native speaker to understand.

My personal favorite one: Ума нет-считай калека- is more appropriate for the situation I think 

True, much like Russian speakers who sometimes have great difficulty understanding all the nuances of English. In reading this post, I did not correct Doll's original post: it should be "understood literally" and not "understood literary" 

[Doll]

Doll, I think that Простота хуже воровства is too nuanced a saying for a non-native speaker to understand.

My personal favorite one: Ума нет-считай калека- is more appropriate for the situation I think 

Yes, but I did explain what I mean. A person acts out of naivety or lack of basic understanding what is right what is wrong 
  Just posted the pictures, they are my property.

Ума нет-считай калека.

[Admin]

Dan per my memory you banned Serebro because she said ,paraphrase (take your TOS and put it where the sun does not shine, I will do what I wish). This reason I would agree with, but now you state differently?

Yes, that was *exactly* what I said in my earlier post above.

I went on to say that her subsequent actions are the reason she will never be allowed back. You see, we have a heartfelt policy of inclusivity. To be true to that policy, we have frequently allowed people once banned, to return to RWD - and we are sincere about *wanting* them to be here. There are VERY few people who will never be allowed back - and Serebro is one of them - for the reasons cited.

- Dan

[HiTech]

Dan: So the picture posting happened after the ban? If so I understand.

Dale

[Admin]

Dan: So the picture posting happened after the ban? If so I understand.

Dale

Yes, that is exactly what happened. She was clearly planning to pilfer photos - and was in the process of doing so. I asked her about it - and about her acceptance of the ToS - and she made it clear that she was not accepting of the ToS. She was then banned, and later (not much later) posted her saga elsewhere. At that point, it was clear she would never be allowed back, as she proved she is imbalanced and untrustworthy and maliciously vindictive.

- Dan

[Turboguy]

Legal, ethical, whatever..  IMHO posting pictures of others on the www without their permission is at the very least disrespectful.

To me it depends on the intent.

Jack posting photos of women walking around Kiev who have no knowledge of his having their photo, or Sandro posting some profiles from a web site illustrating that older women can be beautiful adds color to the stories, gives us insight into possibilities, hurts no one and makes nice eye candy.

Photos such as Wayne posted illustrate his story and help us form our own judgements.  Yes, they may not have looked like a good match but it helped illustrate Wayne's story and the sole intent was not ridicule but enlightenment.   

On another nearly dead site there were long posts of couples posted only for the intent of ridicule, showing a terribly mismatched couple.   Posting things like that just to laugh at other people to me was in bad taste.   On one occasion someone snagged an avatar from here and posted it there for people to laugh at.   To me that was terrible.  I enjoyed some of Serebro's posts but there was no call for what she did.  That too was bad.

I think Wayne's' photos served a good purpose.

[Wayne]

I have some questions that pertain to facts rather than opinions.

I understand that in Russia there is an external passport and an internal one.  From looking at the external passport, it seems like the information is very similar to the US passport, except the Russian one expires in 5 years instead of 10.  In the Russian external passport, the information is shown in Russian and English.  The address of the person is not listed.  There is, of course a photograph.  A child’s information might be listed in the parent’s passport.

Now, the internal passport.  As I understand, it contains more detailed information than the external one.  Probably it is not translated into English?  I saw the outside of one, but not what was inside.  I would like to know if it contains the person’s current and/or past addresses?  Do you need to keep that information current?  What is a propricia?  (Not sure about the spelling?)   Is there any information concerning the person’s work history?  What is a “work book”?  If a Russian person was living in USA, would they need to go to the Russian Embassy to make changes? How many years before the internal passport expires?  At what age do a Russian person need the start having the internal passport?
If a person gets married or divorced, do they need to make changes in the internal passport?

The following questions are directed at persons who have knowledge of driver’s license requirements in:  TEXAS, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK or ILLINOIS: 

What forms of identification are required to apply for a license?
Do you need a social security number?  Green card? Etc.
Can you drive legally in your state with a RUSSIAN driver’s license?  If so, how long?
Do you need to keep you address current on the license?  How many days after moving do you have to change it?
Would a Russian person need to pass the written test?  If so, is it available in Russian?
What about a driving test?
Does the license contain your photograph? 

What kind of information is linked to the driver’s license number and stored in a computer data bank?

The reason for all these questions is because my attorney is trying to locate wife and daughter in order to proceed with the divorce case.  If they cannot be found, he needs to prove to the court that he did everything possible to try to find them.

[Wayne]

I want to clear up some things about L.  I do not want to hurt her or disrespect her in any way.  When I was in Russia, O and I saw her many times and I observed that they were best friends.  I was invited into L's home, met her Son and Mother and had a good time with them.  L helped us fill out the paper work for the K visas.  I actually liked her very much!  L is a Nurse and really likes to help people.  I heard only bits and pieces about the problems between L and her husband through O.  As I said before, I spoke to her husband several times on the phone.  I would say that the looks and ages of the two people were not the main reason for the break-up.  Rather, I would say that they had diametrically opposite personalities. 

[HiTech]

The following questions are directed at persons who have knowledge of driver’s license requirements in:  TEXAS, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK or ILLINOIS:

What forms of identification are required to apply for a license?
Do you need a social security number?  Green card? Etc.
Can you drive legally in your state with a RUSSIAN driver’s license?  If so, how long?
Do you need to keep you address current on the license?  How many days after moving do you have to change it?
Would a Russian person need to pass the written test?  If so, is it available in Russian?
What about a driving test?
Does the license contain your photograph?  

From texas.
Russian DL good for 1 year if living in Texas.

To get a DL, need SSN passport, and visa good for at least 365 days. I forget how much time must be remaining on the visa, but I believe it is 3 or 4 months.

Address is required to be current after 30 days from move.

Must pass written test and a translator can be used.

Must pass driving test.

DL contains a photo

[Misha]

I have some questions that pertain to facts rather than opinions.

Now, the internal passport.  As I understand, it contains more detailed information than the external one.  Probably it is not translated into English?  I saw the outside of one, but not what was inside.  I would like to know if it contains the person’s current and/or past addresses?  Do you need to keep that information current?  What is a propricia?  (Not sure about the spelling?)   Is there any information concerning the person’s work history?

In the internal passport you have:

Page 1  Cover
Page 2: Date passport was issued and signature of passport holder as well as the signature and stamp of issuing official from the MVD
Page 3: Photos, name, sex, date of birth and place of birth
Page 4: Blank
Page 5: Place of residence (aka "propiska"). This has all the places where a person was registered as living (i.e. last address in Russia and previous addresses). At the end, immigrants who left Russia have a stamp stating that they are no longer officially registered as residing in Russia.
Page 13: Military requirements/service
Page 14: Family status (i.e. marriages/divorces will be recorded here)
Pages 16-17: Children (listing sex, full name and date of birth)
Page 18: Blood type
Page 19: Notes at to if/when international passport was issued.

What is a “work book”?  If a Russian person was living in USA, would they need to go to the Russian Embassy to make changes?

They would have their "work book" with them in the United States (or wherever) but I have never heard of anybody adding jobs they had outside of Russia in the work book. Usually, the work book is held by the employer in Russia while a person is working.

How many years before the internal passport expires?  At what age do a Russian person need the start having the internal passport?
If a person gets married or divorced, do they need to make changes in the internal passport?

The internal passport does not have an expiry date per se, but there are requirements as to how often and when you should get the photo updates for example. I can't really say more than that. You can't get married in Russia without your internal passport (divorced as well). However, I am not sure as to what happens if you were married outside of Russia. I haven't the foggiest as to whether you can have the passport stamped to indicate that you were married if you were not married in Russia.

[Faux Pas]

To me it depends on the intent.

Jack posting photos of women walking around Kiev who have no knowledge of his having their photo, or Sandro posting some profiles from a web site illustrating that older women can be beautiful adds color to the stories, gives us insight into possibilities, hurts no one and makes nice eye candy.

Photos such as Wayne posted illustrate his story and help us form our own judgements.  Yes, they may not have looked like a good match but it helped illustrate Wayne's story and the sole intent was not ridicule but enlightenment.   

On another nearly dead site there were long posts of couples posted only for the intent of ridicule, showing a terribly mismatched couple.   Posting things like that just to laugh at other people to me was in bad taste.   On one occasion someone snagged an avatar from here and posted it there for people to laugh at.   To me that was terrible.  I enjoyed some of Serebro's posts but there was no call for what she did.  That too was bad.

I think Wayne's' photos served a good purpose.

I agree. I saw nothing in Wayne's photos that was of bad taste or disrespectful and it did aid in illustrating his story. They're his pictures and there is no indication that any of those people object to their pictures being posted. Any thought that they might object in anyway is pure conjecture. It is not illegal, unethical or immoral to post them.

However, I am having a bit of a difficult time understanding why some posters see Wayne and his wife as that much of an odd mismatch? If I saw them walking down the road hand in hand together I personally wouldn't have given it the slightest bit of thought that they were somehow mismatched. I pose the question to those posters who think differently, why are they so mismatched?

[pitbull]

I agree. I saw nothing in Wayne's photos that was of bad taste or disrespectful and it did aid in illustrating his story. They're his pictures and there is no indication that any of those people object to their pictures being posted. Any thought that they might object in anyway is pure conjecture. It is not illegal, unethical or immoral to post them.

However, I am having a bit of a difficult time understanding why some posters see Wayne and his wife as that much of an odd mismatch? If I saw them walking down the road hand in hand together I personally wouldn't have given it the slightest bit of thought that they were somehow mismatched. I pose the question to those posters who think differently, why are they so mismatched?

Faux Pax,

They look like father and daughter to me. If I saw them walking down the street that is what I would think their relation is.

[GoodOlBoy]

Faux Pax,

They look like father and daughter to me. If I saw them walking down the street that is what I would think their relation is.

I agree with your statement Pitbull.

But, age is a very sensitive topic (for obvious reasons), on this forum.

But the pictures don't lie.

For a different perspective I asked my Russian wife to look at Wayne's picture of he and his wife and the picture of L and her AM husband.

My wife had 2 words for these men's pictures, " старая козочка".

Pronounced something like.... STARY KAZOU.....Old Goat's. 

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pax,

They look like father and daughter to me. If I saw them walking down the street that is what I would think their relation is.

pitbull

I respectfully disagree as there didn't appear to be that big of an age disparity to me, just from observing the picture. But that is just my opinion. There are, as you are probably aware, large differences in the ages in many of the men and woman in these relationships and on this forum. I don't find any fault in that for those who choose it. To each his/her own. It would appear to be another obstacle among many, that an international marriage would have to overcome. I don't recall anywhere that Wayne mentioned that the age difference was a problem or caused a problem.

Perhaps I feel as I do because from his picture it would appear Wayne and I are somewhat close to the same age. Certainly his wife is attractive but no Playboy centerfold and if I was wagering, I'd say no more than 10 years difference. It is entirely possible I am not a good judge of these things as it is not something I think about even on occasion. IMO she is an average looking woman, early to mid 30's and he much the same, mid/late 40's. It just struck me as a bit odd that more than a few of the posters commented on it. It made me wonder if I could be that wrong.

[Misha]

There are, as you are probably aware, large differences in the ages in many of the men and woman in these relationships and on this forum. I don't find any fault in that for those who choose it.

I don't find fault either, but there are risks involved. The main one being that they will fall for a woman who will say she likes much older men before the marriage, and change her mind afterward.

[pitbull]

pitbull

I respectfully disagree as there didn't appear to be that big of an age disparity to me, just from observing the picture. But that is just my opinion. There are, as you are probably aware, large differences in the ages in many of the men and woman in these relationships and on this forum. I don't find any fault in that for those who choose it. To each his/her own. It would appear to be another obstacle among many, that an international marriage would have to overcome. I don't recall anywhere that Wayne mentioned that the age difference was a problem or caused a problem.

Perhaps I feel as I do because from his picture it would appear Wayne and I are somewhat close to the same age. Certainly his wife is attractive but no Playboy centerfold and if I was wagering, I'd say no more than 10 years difference. It is entirely possible I am not a good judge of these things as it is not something I think about even on occasion. IMO she is an average looking woman, early to mid 30's and he much the same, mid/late 40's. It just struck me as a bit odd that more than a few of the posters commented on it. It made me wonder if I could be that wrong.

Faux Pax

You asked if the couple looks mismatched in the picture. I told you what my perception is: 20-25 years of age difference. You may have a different perception, and we do not have to agree on this.

As to finding fault with those who choose a big age difference - this is a completely different topic, which has been beaten to death. Opinions differ a lot onthis one. And yes, I am aware that many couples on this board have a large age difference.

[Faux Pas]

I don't find fault either, but there are risks involved. The main one being that they will fall for a woman who will say she likes much older men before the marriage, and change her mind afterward.

The younger the woman, the less likely that she knows "what" she wants. I determined this by dating quite a few younger AM. Certainly there is risks. High percentage of same nationality, large age gap marriages fail. I expect the same with international. For us in this pursuit, there are already many built-in  obstacles and land mines. Those with the much younger wife have additional obstacles and land mines. IMO

[Misha]

Those with the much younger wife have additional obstacles and land mines. IMO

I share your opinion. Yes, a large age difference alone won't guarantee a failed marriage, but it is an obstacle as you say and if it is combined with a number of other land mines (lack of communication, little time spent together, etc...), it can certainly play a role in leading to a failed marriage.

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pax

You asked if the couple looks mismatched in the picture. I told you what my perception is: 20-25 years of age difference. You may have a different perception, and we do not have to agree on this.

As to finding fault with those who choose a big age difference - this is a completely different topic, which has been beaten to death. Opinions differ a lot onthis one. And yes, I am aware that many couples on this board have a large age difference.

I am not looking to re-hash the age topic. I believe the heart wants what it wants and will go after it. On the picture no, we certainly do not have to agree. I did not see it as you did and that is quite alright.

[Turboguy]

I have to agree with Faux Pas.  I don't see an age difference looking at the photos.  Grey hair and thinning hair do make someone appear older which Wayne has a bit of both but he looks to me more like someone who is not old but has grey hair with some thinning than old.   Wayne is actually a very nice looking guy and I don't see any mismatch at all.   She is attractive but if I picked an arbitrary number from one to ten for each Wayne's number would be higher than hers.

The other couple, that is another story. 

[Misha]

I don't see an age difference looking at the photos. 

Turbo, why am I not surprised by you not seeing age difference Yes, there is the graying and thinning of the hair, but there is also the wrinkles and the bags under the eyes, and the looser skin under the chin and neck.... Of course, that is only what I see in the photo. His wife may have had her own appraisal of what was below the neck. I have no doubts that Wayne might look good for a man his age (I am not the one to ask for a good appraisal of a man's attractiveness or lack thereof), but he is clearly much older than his wife, and she is, IMHO, much more attractive.

[Doll]

" старая козочка".

It is for a SHE