Wife split!

[Wayne]

I was married to an AW for 17 years.  She stopped working when our first child was born.  That means she had not worked for about 13 years when the divorce was filed.  She got custody of our two daughters, and I my son.  I had to pay child support based on my income for two kids, and she had to pay based on one kid, but not much.  And adjustments were made.

However, there was no ALIMONY!  And the divorce papers stated that alimony was forever barred.  Alimony is very rare in Michigan.  In a case where a couple lived together for only 6 months, it would be even rarer.

An annulment puts a stop to alimony.

[Faux Pas]

I can understand where you feel you shouldn't pay anything. Judging from some of the other horror stories over the years, 12K and a one-way ticket might be worth it to end this nightmare. Wayne, you can lay and justify all the blame on her if you wish but it doesn't really matter at this point. It is a matter of where you are and how you plan to get shed of it. I am only guessing that it is your credit that is taking a beating from not making the car payments. Stop the hemorrhaging and get away from this situation as soon as you can, with damage control. IMHO

[TwoBitBandit]

Today, everything was supposed to be final, but nothing is settled!  Now, wife wants me to pay for their airplane tickets back to Russia and alimony of $1000 per month for one year.  She no longer wants the car.

If I was in your shoes, I'd take this deal and run.

If I was a dirty rotten cold calculating bastard, I'd wait until I was sure she was in Russia, I might even try stopping paying the alimony and seeing what happens.

[GoodOlBoy]

Yes, but let's not forget about that "pesky" I-864.

You know...... that little "Affidavit of Support" form that we all voluntarily signed when we brought our fiancee's /wive's over? 

Believe me.....She, Her lawyers and the U.S. Government haven't forgotten about it. 


GOB

[TwoBitBandit]

Yes, but let's not forget about that "pesky" I-864.
You know...... that little "Affidavit of Support" form that we all voluntarily signed when we brought our fiancee's /wive's over? 
Believe me.....She, Her lawyers and the U.S. Government haven't forgotten about it. 

Although the language in that form sounds draconian, I haven't heard of a single case of anything being enforced as a result of that document being signed.

Her lawyers care about making money, just like every other lawyer in the world.  If they can enforce the order and make money at it, great.  But there's a good chance that she won't have money to put up a retainer, and it doesn't sounds like a case of $10K in arrears is really great case for a lawyer to take on contingency.  It's just so little money.

And in the unlikely event the government gets involved, the first step probably won't be to arrest Wayne and toss him in the slammer.  Insted, the first step will be to send him a firm letter saying, "You're behind on your alimony, and you're not going to like step #2 if you don't take care of this."  At which point, he can just take care of it.

I admit that I'm no laywer, so maybe William is going to pop out of nowhere and set me straight.

[Admin]

Although the language in that form sounds draconian, I haven't heard of a single case of anything being enforced as a result of that document being signed.

Her lawyers care about making money, just like every other lawyer in the world.  If they can enforce the order and make money at it, great.  But there's a good chance that she won't have money to put up a retainer, and it doesn't sounds like a case of $10K in arrears is really great case for a lawyer to take on contingency.  It's just so little money.

And in the unlikely event the government gets involved, the first step probably won't be to arrest Wayne and toss him in the slammer.  Insted, the first step will be to send him a firm letter saying, "You're behind on your alimony, and you're not going to like step #2 if you don't take care of this."  At which point, he can just take care of it.

I admit that I'm no laywer, so maybe William is going to pop out of nowhere and set me straight.

Actually, the I-864 - if utilized - has been shown to be pretty effective at being recognized by the courts as enforceable. There is a current case that addresses this, obliquely, in that it addresses use of the much-less-effective I-134. Here is an excerpt from an article about a case in Erie, PA:

Following a revision of U.S. immigration policies about a decade ago, federal and state courts have been grappling with how immigration law applies to marriages and divorces, which the states regulate.

One of the key issues is whether federal affidavits of support, such as the one Blaine Bell signed, can force the one divorced spouse to support the other, no matter what happens in the divorce proceedings in state court.

Some courts have said such affidavits of support are binding -- but only if the affidavit is I-864, and not the less-comprehensive affidavit I-134, which Blaine Bell signed.

"I don't think the language is tight enough in terms of contractual language," Charles Wheeler, an immigration lawyer in San Francisco, said of form I-134.

Wheeler is director of training and technical support for the Catholic Legal Immigration Network, whose national office is in Washington, D.C.

He said interpretations of the legal authority of the affidavits, including how they might apply to support payments and prenuptial agreements, "are just making their way through the state and federal court systems. We shall see."

Article found here -- http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090220/NEWS02/302209959

- Dan

[HiTech]

Wayne: You have made many mistakes in this process as you admit (things like the expensive car , things like not making car payments when your name is on it) and you are about to make another. Take the deal and run, you have just stated that for about 15 K you are done with this deal.

At this point do not think about getting even, do not think about what is right. Think about one thing, get past this and go on. If you pay the 15 k Now, in about 2 months things will look a lot better, than if you do not finish the deal NOW!!!!!

You can spend that 15 K very very very very quickly on Lawyer fees.


HiTech

[SMS60]

I think most of the "affidavit of support" documents are used so the immigrating individual does not become a "dependent" of the US goverment.

If she is moving back these documents might become "void".

Something to think about.

[OlgaH]

Take the deal and run, you have just stated that for about 15 K you are done with this deal.

HiTech

Very profitable business for some future FSU wives of AW 

Stay with him just for 8 months, then divorce him and go back to Russia with $10,000 - $15,000 (about 360,000 - 540,000 rubles according today rate) in you pocket     

[GoodOlBoy]

Very profitable business for some future FSU wives of AW   

Profitable?

I don't know...for the mother/wife, maybe.

But you have to remember in this case a young teenage daughter was also "uprooted" in this process. She had to leave her family, school, friends and home behind to come here...and for what?

IMHO, there has been one consistent thing throughout the 98 pages of this thread:  We have only heard one side of this story....Wayne's.   :noidea:

I think everyone should keep in mind that there are 3 sides (Wayne, Wife and Stepdaughter) to this story.


GOB

[BC]

I think everyone should keep in mind that there is 3 sides (Wayne, Wife and Stepdaughter) to this story.

Actually, 4 sides.. there was the live-in student also in the mix (she still around?).

I found her role most intriguing even though practically nothing was said about her.

[OlgaH]

Profitable?

I don't know...for the mother/wife, maybe.

But you have to remember in this case a teenage daughter was also "uprooted" in this process. She had to leave her family, school, friends and home behind to come here...and for what?

That question should be address to mother of a teen, and as you know some mother can make even more profit involving her child  

IMHO, there has been one consistent thing throughout the 99 pages of this thread....We have only heard one side of this story....Wayne's.   :noidea:

I think everyone should keep in mind that there is 3 sides (Wayne, Wife and Stepdaughter) to this story.

GOB

About this I already expressed my opinion  

[GoodOlBoy]

Actually, 4 sides.. there was the live-in student also in the mix (she still around?).

I found her role most intriguing even though practically nothing was said about her.

Point well taken BC.

But I was actually referring to the family (nucleus).....not friends or live in relatives.

Moreover, the people directly effected by this tragedy.


GOB

[Faux Pas]

Very profitable business for some future FSU wives of AW†

Stay with him just for 8 months, then divorce him and go back to Russia with $10,000 - $15,000 (about 360,000 - 540,000 rubles according today rate) in you pocket† † †

It might very well be profitable for Wayne to agree to it and move on. Of course counter offer for the $300 she was making before coming. One never knows how these things can play out. A judge that didn't get a good night sleep and Wayne's lawyer paused just a little too long and all the sudden he's paying her $1500 a month for 3 years and pays for the car that she drives.

While Wayne is thinking he is in the catbird seat and very well may be. Things can turn in an instant. Wayne is guilty of marrying her and with that brings some liability.

 

[BC]

Point well taken BC.

But I was actually referring to the family (nucleus).....not friends or live in relatives.

Moreover, the people directly effected by this tragedy.


GOB

From the little bits here and there, seems she was well within the 'nucleus'.

[Wayne]

Exchange student from Ukraine went to live with another family after wife split.  That family is hosting a girl from Norway and the two students had become friend.  Student is still in the same school and doing very well.  She did not like it when wife was angry all the time at me and also daughter.  Wife used student as her personal translator; remember at the greed card interview and on many other occasions.  Also, they were always speaking Russian, and student came here to practice English.

Yes, it is sad about step daughter.  She would have been better off staying with her birth father and his parents in Russia.  Daughter is the only their only grandchild.  

[GoodOlBoy]

....as you know some mother can make even more profit involving her child  

I don't know about the other RWD members, BUT...$12,000. or $15,000. is not going to send me to the "poor house" and to be honest with you, I don't think it will set his ex-wife and stepdaughter up on "easy" street either.

Now if she had said she wanted $50,000. or $75,000....well I think you might be on to something then....But $12,000. ??  


GOB

[OlgaH]

But you have to remember in this case a young teenage daughter was also "uprooted" in this process. She had to leave her family, school, friends and home behind to come here...and for what?

GoodOlBoy, O's daughter is 18 y.o.

You ask for what? For example for $7,500 ($1,500 per year) her daughter will easily get a high education in Krasnoyarsk University where she is from btw an average salary in Russia 15,000-17,000  rubles ($420-$480) per months. O's income in Krasnoyarsk was $300 per month - $3,600 per year.

[GoodOlBoy]

I stand corrected OlgaH.

This thread has run on for so long, I actually thought the girl was 16 years old when she came over here.

I guess what I am trying to say is Wayne's Ex-wife and Stepdaughter won't be rubbing elbows with Roman Abramovich if he decides to give her the $12,000. 

And I also agree with Faux Pas assertion:

Wayne is guilty of marrying her and with that brings some liability.

GOB

[OlgaH]

I stand corrected OlgaH.

This thread has run on for so long, I actually thought the girl was 16 years old when she came over here.

I guess what I am trying to say is Wayne's Ex-wife and Stepdaughter won't be rubbing elbows with Roman Abramovich if he decides to give her the $12,000. 

And I also agree with Faux Pas assertion:


GOB

GoodOlBoy, you should just read what OP wrote about his problem. Your line with Abramovich is out of place, but already  not surprising   

So, do you agree that FSU women don't have any responsibility when they marry AW and leave their countries? Sorry, but I disagree.

I don't wish you or any other WM to expirience what some other WM have experienced when some of them lost their job, homes, incomes and health due to some "irresponsible innocent" FSU women and some people who protect and support such women

Now she wants to go back?.. strange, strange... a GCG that won't stay put...

Nothing surprising if she could not find any job and her boyfriend refused to support her and her 18 y.o. daughter. So for her is only one way: to get money from Wayne and live in Russia 1-2 years almost like in clover.   

[GoodOlBoy]

OlgaH, I guess what we are talking about here is extracting some kind of "punishment" or "revenge" from Wayne's Wife, Stepdaughter and FSU women like her.

e.g. "Send her and her kid back to Russia with bare threads on both of their backs".

Yes I have a problem with this idea.

You see the basic difference that I noticed between Russians and Americans is our compassion for fellow human beings.

Russians have very little compassion and Americans, well we probably have a little too much.

Russians (mistakingly) identify America's compassion as a "weakness". This is a VERY big mistake. We are not naive and stupid, No...we just happen to care about others (maybe a little to much).

Now in the scenario you provided. If the daughter was to use the bulk ($7500.) of the $12,000. to get an education at her local University, I would say that is a good thing.

This poor young lady has been through "hell" the last year and yes I would not begrudge her an education with Wayne's money.

Wayne is not a victim. Wayne is a "man".

It is time for Wayne to "man up" and take care of business.


GOB

[Daveman]

Olga, this situation reminds me of the words of a great anonymous Russian Philosopher...

"I want, people who do bad for me, after very much suffer..I want this..bad people need suffer.."

 

I think if the lady is anything like Wayne has described... well, she really needs to suffer!!!    But, I agree that the best thing for Wayne, with our court system the way it is, etc., that he extricate himself entirely from this situation with as little pain and injury to himself as possible... an annulment would be ideal if he can pull it off.  

[Faux Pas]

Olga, this situation reminds me of the words of a great anonymous Russian Philosopher...

"I want, people who do bad for me, after very much suffer..I want this..bad people need suffer.."

 

I think if the lady is anything like Wayne has described... well, she really needs to suffer!!!    But, I agree that the best thing for Wayne, with our court system the way it is, etc., that he extricate himself entirely from this situation with as little pain and injury to himself as possible... an annulment would be ideal if he can pull it off.  

you slay me

[OlgaH]

Daveman,

I don't want anybody to suffer. I even for a death penalty without suffering  though some maniacs and murderers deserve to expirience what their victims experienced. And I don't have any desire to spend even 1 copeck on keeping them in prisons.

Back to the Wayne's story. $400 per month for 6 months would be his kindness, she has apartments in Russia and  Wayne btw paid for keeping that apartments while she was with him. Agree about annulment...  and court system.     

[Wayne]

Olga, some questions that you might be able to help with.

The school system in Russia and Ukraine is different than here.  Last August, exchange student came.  I took vacation time from work, picked her up at the airport.  Next day, I took daughter and student to our local high school to enroll them in classes.  Wife never took part!  Starting with student:

She brought with her official transcripts translated into English.  The high school she attended in Kyiv had 4500 students.  The school here has about 350 students.  On her transcripts it explained that the highest or best grade was a 12.  Student's grades were almost all 11's with a few 10's or 9's  but 9 was the her lowest grade.  I asked student about the grade 12, and she said that teachers in her school never gave a 12 grade to anyone.  Student was on the FLEX scholarship program, which is for Eastern European students.  All of her expenses were paid.  She receives $125 per month spending money and another $300 amount.  In determining what credits she needed to graduate from high school, we saw that she had many more math and science classes than needed, and also all the credits of English.  She needed American History and Government. 

When student got her first report card, she had almost all "A" 's with one or two B.  A is the highest grade.

Now daughter:  Before wife and daughter came to America, I told wife to be sure to get copies of daughter's transcripts and to have them translated into English.  Last March, when daughter started school, the school of couse asked for the transcripts.  They sent a letter to the Russian school, but got no response.  The school Principle and his family had an exchange student from Uzbekistan who spoke excellent English.  We put daughter into all the same classes with her so she could help translate.  Daughter's report card just said:  satisfactory, and did not give letter grades.

Now, going back to August, student translated all of daughter's transcripts.  O had them all along, but did not show them to me!  So the grading system in Krasnoyarsk was that the highest grade was "5".  Daughter had one grade of 5 in a class that was like home economics (cooking, sewing).  The highest grade that she had for all other classses for every year of high school was a "3".  She also had many 2's.  She had not taken ANY English classes.  I think the requirement for graduation is 4 credits of English (8 semesters).

When her report card came, daugher had grade E in American History and Government.  The other grades were mostly C.  Now, student and daughter had some of the same classes with the same teachers.  Student did a lot of homewort in these classes.  Several times, she asked me to help her if she did not understand something.  Daughter was not doing her homework at all that I could see.  O did nothing about this! 

So Olga, you mentioned Krasnoyarsk University.  What are the entry requirements?  Do you think that daughter would qualify?  I think that O just wants money for herself.  I don't think that daughter is even attending school any more.