Do FSU women have stronger morals?

[Jack]

However, based on my experiences with RW and AW, I come to exact opposite conclusion as  Jack. 

Pike, isn't the reasoning rather obvious why we would have such differing views?     

I think Pike that if we dated the same type of women, are views would be similar.
Clearly, we do not.       

[Misha]

I think Pike that if we dated the same type of women, are views would be similar.
Clearly, we do not.       

Here we can agree. Yes, there are different types of women in Russia (as there is everywhere), so it is necessary to know each woman individually to ascertain what type of woman she is rather than believing that all RW are the same with the same outlook and the same sexual mores.

[OlgaH]

btw, RWD means Rear Wheel Drive 

 

[kievstar]

After this past weekend in Ukraine I witnessed something in a disco in Kharkov which was more extreme than a live sex show.  The 2 girls I was with (girlfriend and her friend) were extremely embarrassed but most of the women in the disco were enjoying the Ukrainian version of Halloween.  Which is too much for this board to post all details but involved numerous fully naked women with angel wings and men dressed as priests plus video cameras plus sacrificing.  Went on for over an hour and most women in the club got into to it.  Meridian was the disco.  On several occasion in the mens bathroom people were having sex right on the floor with guys watching and doing what they went into the bathroom for.  We went to Bolero first but it was booked for a private party.  Has anyone been to Meridian before?

[Jack]

in the mens bathroom people were having sex right on the floor with guys watching and doing what they went into the bathroom for.   Has anyone been to Meridian before?

Have you checked with Pike?

[Nat]

Speaking of sex. Guys, when you come to Ukraine or Russia to visit huge number of women one day for each, and you happily except sex on a first dating - you just work like a magnet for the girls with, let's say, flexible morals A girl with more sensible attitudes to sex and relationship won't play men's WMVM games.

[Shadow]

Speaking of sex. Guys, when you come to Ukraine or Russia to visit huge number of women one day for each, and you happily except sex on a first dating - you just work like a magnet for the girls with, let's say, flexible morals A girl with more sensible attitudes to sex and relationship won't play men's WMVM games.

Yes, a sensible girl will first ask her boyfriend if its ok to have sex with a visiting stranger. 
(Just kidding)

[Gator]

Quote from: Gator on November 03, 2008, 10:05:12 PM

I read little of this thread after making a first page post. Did it get into sex?

We're getting there, be patient Phil .

Your prediction was correct, two days later.     Sandro, please tell me what the stock market will do this month?

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, please tell me what the stock market will do this month?

I'm afraid the meanderings of the stock market are MUCH less predictable than those of an RWD thread .

[Lyudmilla]

Yes of course we have good morals.
we do not believe in twosomes.only threesomes.
We do not believe in bondage on first date-only second date.

[ScottinCrimea]

Can we just say that RW are more likely to screw you in bed and AW are more likely to screw you in every other way but that?

I just thought I'd throw a bit more fuel on the fire.  :evil:

[ScottinCrimea]

Pike, isn't the reasoning rather obvious why we would have such differing views?     

I think Pike that if we dated the same type of women, are views would be similar.
Clearly, we do not.       

As I understand it, one of Pike's biggest priorities in his selection process is the odds that she will go to bed with him.

[Jumper]

renatka said
 

My reply to the OP.
The attitudes to sex differs not so much between ages but between different social groups. i think it is the same in the west is not it? I can not beleive a church going middle class housewife would  have the same attitude as a trailer living single mum of 5. Just the same in Russia - different social groups have different morals. Unfortunately as a foregner OP would  not be able to understand what social group particular girl belongs to.

I hope people pay attention to important things that come out of these threads





you are dealing with another culture and language.
and a different ecomomic backdrop.


this subject comes up sometimes but seems a bit taboo.

 societies,  wether east or west ,have layers /groups, and often clear social  segregations that are not often crossed in relationships or marriage.

An AM naturally knows where he fits in ,, or where he feels uncomfortable.
in his own country, and with whom
(regardless of her personality /appereance etc)

 a blue colar worker dating a trailer park girl with  some rather crude parents,,
will feel  a bit awkward at her familties dinner table.? or around her course talking or acting friends?


but put him in the typical MOB scenerio..
and where the langauge barrier is huge with her friends and family, and only knowing them very short visits,
 he likely has very little clue wether this is a typical family,,
or one that would match his own " comfort level" ?
or attribiutes it to cultural differences..or misunderstadings of whats said or going on.


andrew-  its one reason that it is often stressed here to take your time, know the individual well (basic stuff of course) and really get to know her friends and family .

the same various level exist tin the FSU as here, and as renatka pointed out the "morals" that may or may not macth
yours would be far different..within these varioius sociakl strata?

exactly as they would be in your own culture..?

at least when trying to cover this in "general"
(as the discussion cant really be about individual ethics)


I think your question is a bit complex ,and very difficult to answer in general

a very limited example..may illystrate my own confusion on the subject lol

my wife is from  a very traditional family.
views on family, and relationships are very defined and strict.
stoic and downright prudish even, in some aspects.

yet as far as being expressive/sexy or feminine...
in dress ,general openess about the topic of sex, etc.etc.
she would be far more open than a typical AW.
or be amused by how conservative ,or unflattering they sometimes dress or act.

 Enigma is often used to describe Russians , or the Russian soul.
there's likely a good a reason for that


 what i believe scott was refering to early on in his short answer-

stronger -no
different -yes

is exactly these type of things.

its is a different culture and views on ethics/morality/sex and whats normal can be a bit different as well.
 "in general"


it's not better or worse,
simply different.

[OlgaH]

about social groups...

a white color worker sitting in his/her office can be horribly immoral than a street prostitute...

and I agree with you AJ

An AM naturally knows where he fits in ,, or where he feels uncomfortable.
in his own country, and with whom
(regardless of her personality /appereance etc)

but put him in the typical MOB scenerio..
and where the langauge barrier is huge with her friends and family, and only knowing them very short visits, he likely has very little clue wether this is a typical family,,
or one that would match his own " comfort level" ?
or attribiutes it to cultural differences..or misunderstadings of whats said or going on.

 

[Pike]

Pike, isn't the reasoning rather obvious why we would have such differing views?     

I think Pike that if we dated the same type of women, are views would be similar.
Clearly, we do not.       

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I think it is certainly true that we do not date the same type of women.  But,  your logic does not seem to quite fit.

I date women aged 35 - 50.  All of my dates are highly educated women who have professional (not hooker) jobs.  They are teachers, professors, doctors, dentists, lawyers, executives, executive assistants, specialists, computer analysts, etc.  Most own their own homes.  They invite me into their homes for meals, to meet their children, etc.  We spend our time (when not in bed) playing chess, attending opera, ballet, and orchestra concerts.  But we have played chess in bed also.

So, yes, I think you and I date a completely different class of woman with different interests.  Unlike you, I have never been in a nightclub in the FSU.

[Pike]

As I understand it, one of Pike's biggest priorities in his selection process is the odds that she will go to bed with him.

You seem to understand things that do not exist.  How does this help you in your medical practice?

I have no way of knowing or calculating the 'odds' that a woman will go to bed with me.  In fact, I am usually quite surprised by those that go to bed quickly vs those who take more time.  I never can predict it.  So I certainly do not use this as a priority.  It might be nice to be able to predict, but I can't and thus never give it a thought in the selection process.

[ScottinCrimea]

You seem to understand things that do not exist.  How does this help you in your medical practice?

I have no way of knowing or calculating the 'odds' that a woman will go to bed with me.  In fact, I am usually quite surprised by those that go to bed quickly vs those who take more time.  I never can predict it.  So I certainly do not use this as a priority.  It might be nice to be able to predict, but I can't and thus never give it a thought in the selection process.

It's a great help in a medical practice to see through the BS.

[Jumper]

Olga,
 i agree that ones ethics are not defined by the social group they belong to.


i wasjust pointin goyut a man traveling around the woreld t oa languag eand culture he doesnt understand,
isnt likey to realize quickly the various social groups,,
and they do "generally" effect whom we marry  in our own culture.
and likely would in that culture as well

its an added unknown that takes time to sort thru,
 time guys generally do not take.

another bullet in gators gun.. ?

[BC]

One of the greatest misconceptions that mankind has about womankind is that women are less horny than men.

[Gator]

One of the greatest misconceptions that mankind has about womankind is that women are less horny than men.

 

The difference is that men, unlike women, are horny all the time.  Another difference, when a woman is peaking, she will not accept a man's headache as an excuse to wait until tomorrow, even though a man's performance requires more effort.

[Pike]

BC says:  "One of the greatest misconceptions that mankind has about womankind is that women are less horny than men."

Gator says: "The difference is that men, unlike women, are horny all the time.  Another difference, when a woman is peaking, she will not accept a man's headache as an excuse to wait until tomorrow, even though a man's performance requires more effort."

There is some truth to both opinions, but some I don't agree with.

First, must be acknowledged there is a tremendous difference in the sex drive (horniness) from one man to another, as well as from one woman to another.

What we have are two bell shaped curves representing the relative degrees of sex drive.  The curve for men will be to the right of that for women.  However, the curves overlap, so that the men with less sex drive (in the left hand portion of the men's curve) will be below the right hand part of the women's curve where women with high sex drives lie.

Taking the mean or average of each bell shaped distribution, it is clear that men have higher sex drives than women.  But it is also true that some women have higher sex drives than some men.

Second, we can consider the degree of urgency felt for sexual release when men and women are aroused.  Once in a state of arousal, it is much harder for the man to be able to forget about achieving sexual release.  The woman may be somewhat disappointed when release is not achieved, but nothing like the terrible feeling that most men experience in a similar situation.

Third, we can discuss the relative ability of men and women to achieve sexual pleasures.  For men, it is mostly a one and out process for a period of elapsed time.  The elapsed time can vary, for instance, from a few minutes for some males in their teens and 20s to several days for other men in their later years.

Women, on the other hand, have the ability to achieve a virtually unlimited number of orgasms within any given time frame.

The perverse thing about our evolution is that most men desire more orgasms than most women, but women are able to achieve more than men.

When horniness is discussed, one must define what aspect is the focus.

[ScottinCrimea]

One of the greatest misconceptions that mankind has about womankind is that women are less horny than men.

BC, Maybe it's just your effect on women that you are noticing.   

[Pike]

Quote from: Pike on Yesterday at 12:41:32 PM

You seem to understand things that do not exist.  How does this help you in your medical practice?

I have no way of knowing or calculating the 'odds' that a woman will go to bed with me.  In fact, I am usually quite surprised by those that go to bed quickly vs those who take more time.  I never can predict it.  So I certainly do not use this as a priority.  It might be nice to be able to predict, but I can't and thus never give it a thought in the selection process.

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ScottinCrimea replies:

It's a great help in a medical practice to see through the BS.

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Patient:  I am having great pains in the upper area of my stomach.

Dr Scott: So as I understand it, your left leg is giving you problems.

Patient: I never said anything about my left leg.

Dr Scott: Yes, but I have the ability to see through BS.

[Andrew James]

Thanks for your reply AJ. Always good hearing from an more experienced hand. (I am especially interested in your comments regarding your wife's family - see bellow.)

I think your question is a bit complex ,and very difficult to answer in general

As stated in this (rather protracted) thread, my initial phrasing of the question perhaps implied I was expecting a simple answer, when like you say it is a complex process. And yet many, it seems, do venture to the FSU with this notion in mind, so it appears worth posing as a question (which, as I have said, would have been better put in quotation marks to indicate I am curious about a perception/myth).

the same various level exist tin the FSU as here, and as renatka pointed out the "morals" that may or may not macth yours would be far different..within these varioius sociakl strata? exactly as they would be in your own culture..?.

As discussed, I do think general cultural patterns can be explored. Pike mentioned the Bell Curve for example, which reveals the fact that societies (groups of people/cohorts) are usually not level playing-fields, where the amount of variation from person to person is so much that we cannot speak of trends. But, as you say, it is equally true that to understand a person you have to get to know them on a more intimate level - their family, their soci-economic status, which part of the vast and diverse FSU they come from - because knowledge about a culture will only tell you so much (and sometimes not much at all.)

this subject comes up sometimes but seems a bit taboo.

Perhaps one the reasons such topics seem taboo is that it seems politically incorrect to discuss differences, like it might be encouraging prejudice to talk about them, even in the broadest of terms (if not just plain wrongheaded/over-simplistic). And it might be too, if people are not discerning enough to delve deeper, and get to know all the many variations present WITHIN a culture as well as differences within each individual. On the other hand, to say "everyone is different so you can't look at patterns" can encourage another form of ignorance, preventing us from celebrating differences - a chief tenant of multi-culturalism.

a very limited example..may illystrate my own confusion on the subject lol
my wife is from  a very traditional family. views on family, and relationships are very defined and strict, stoic and downright prudish even, in some aspects.
yet as far as...general openess about the topic of sex, etc.etc. she would be far more open than a typical AW.

As others have said, simply defining what constitutes 'moral' and  'strong' is a potentially endless discussion. That said, many people may not understand this preferring their own black and white, fixed view of the world - so again: worth looking at this as a perception, and in doing so perhaps broadening people's understanding of the issue.

I did attempt to provide my own take on all of this, and interestingly enough it seems to match your wife's outlook. It also shows that simple conservative vs liberal dichotomies (common in western culture) are often inadequate, especially when trying to apply them popular to other cultures. Some Australians I know, for example, seem to think Scandinavians are really loose sexually, yet experience meeting my Swedish cousins worked against this notion. In one way they were less prudish than what you often encounter in our own culture: they would strip naked with each other (men and women together) and swim in a lake, suggesting a greater ease with their bodies; They also talked about sex in less 'nudge nudge wink wink' terms - the kind that is common in our media. But that didn't mean they were sleeping with everyone. Far from it in actual fact: they seemed to have a pretty measured approach in this way, and more 'mature' (well, my notion of mature anyway) attitude when it came to sex, whereas many people I meet in their 30s seem to be stuck in permanent adolescence.

This is something I have detected in certain Russians too (I have met a Russian woman in Melbourne just recently, for example who, possesses this outlook and also believes it is significant part of her native culture), making me wonder if there might be a greater concentration of women with my outlook in parts of the FSU as opposed to my own culture.