First trip to Odessa, Ukraine in T-Minus 14 days!! Any advice?

[William3rd]

I have their former Kiev office managers-a total of 3- available to talk about them. One of the managers is married and lives nearby-no thanks to the AFA clients or efforts. The dysfunctional agency Angelstolove gets that credit. Probably one of only a handful of successes for that agency.

One thing to note- while the owners may or may not have met these women at socials, they carried on LENGTHY relationships of a year or more, including living together, before actually marrying.

It is rather disengenuous to see AFA claim that their system works since the owners didnt follow their own system of meet greet and marry in a week.

Their successes are 10% or less under the following criteria- tour client meeting a girl, getting engaged, marrying and staying married for 5 years.

And one of the owners is currently in an ugly divorce. . . .he needs to scrap that prenup and pay up if he wants to avoid some disclosures that will devastate them.

[Sculpto]

Hmmm. Does anyone know of any "Christian" International Introduction services? I read a book by the title "Russian Wife. Your greatest blessing or your biggest mistake." It was authored by a husband and wife and they mentioned an introduction service- but not by name.

Numbers game... got it.   
Green card girls...ugh...

Anyone know of any good Christian churches in the Odessa, Nikolaev areas?

-L

Law.. if you are serious about this angle of searching for a wife you have a lot of resources available to you.  First of all as you may or may not know most people in Ukraine are Orthodox, however, there are many other Christian denominations active in Ukraine.  I would also point out that the Anti-Semetic attacks/propoganda in Odessa last year allegedly originated in some of the Orthodox churches so as an African American you may want to be extra careful until you know what is what.   You could at some point in the future decide to do some volunteer work for an affiliate of your church that might have a project in Ukraine.  It would give you a chance to do something positive and enough time on the ground to possibly meet a quality lady that meets your personal list of requirements.  Just do a google search for the diferent missions that are currently active.. there are a lot of orphans that need help also.  

[Stirlitz]

You do realize a Black American is going to be rare for a lack of a better term in Ukraine?

It depends on the season. In the summer we have lots of black people in Odessa. They all come from other regions of Ukraine and originally and technically they are white but they spend so much time in the beach that they become quite black. A true Odessite can be easily spotted in Odessa in the summer by being absolutely white. As I am not too hard-working, I can be black too in the summer. That is if I need cover which cannot be blown

Seriously speaking, I have had a black client once.

[Mark Davis]

Law:

It pains me to see you have to go through this string.  You've never been there.  You just had enough courage to try something new and branch out to where you heard the ladies had traditional values and were looking for a good man - and that they are very attractive.

You did well by going on a tour.  You don't need to learn how to be a travel agent or free lance dater on your first trip.  Relax and just show up.  Go with the flow.  Make friends with the other guys. 

There are just as many women trying to use men in socials as there are at your local bar.  I never found my experiences in Odessa, Nikolaev, or Kherson to be anything other than what they advertised: getting you introduced to a large number of ladies. 

I found that some of the men on the tour were going to just enjoy their one-night-stands.  They tended to hook up with the ladies who wanted to cash in on those types of men.  The guys who are serious seemed to graduate toward the ladies who were also serious.  You should also let your tour guide know that you are serious and they will help introduce you to women they know to be of honoralbe intention.

I made great friends with five guys on my first trip - who all had serious intentions for marriage.  Each of us has now found wonderful women to make life parterns with them.  It does work when you are specific about what you are looking for.

On my first trip, there was a young black man who did great with the ladies.  In fact, he cut in on a dance with an adorable young blonde and she never left his side.  Later she apologized for not spending time with me, but she said she chose him.  There is a fascination with black men because they love R&B music and they watch the music videos and there are no black men to be found.  You will immediately have an advantage simply because of their fascination. 

Once you have their attention, it is up to you and your personality to make a connection with the ones you are drawn toward.  The real objection would come from her parents - if there were objections to be seen.  For most, it is a dream to find a good man and the families will be happy for their daughters to find a man who makes them happy.

Just relax and go.  It will be an experience you will enjoy.  If you don't find someone on your first trip, then you may want to go again - and then you might look at expanding your base.

Hey, 150 ladies are showing up in hopes of meeting a good guy who is fun to be around.

I can't wait to hear all about it.

Mark

[Law]

Ah, finally, the balance!
Thanks Mark 

[William3rd]

Here is a balance for you somewhere between the pitchfork wielding townspeople postings and the koolaid drinkers postings-

http://harpers.org/AForeignAffair.html-

and my personal favorite is the one entitled truth about industry on 

www.personalmatchmaking.com

It is a crime to run tours to the Philippines or run agencies arranging introductions to foreigners. . . . . hmmmmm.

[Law]

The Harper's article is quite a read. I'll just skimmed it but I'll check it all out in a minute!

Very interesting

[Sculpto]

the link didn't work for me.  I would really like to read this article.  help please. 

[groovlstk]

Remove the - at the end of the URL and it should load fine.

There was an RWD member who wrote a rebuttal to the Harper's story awhile back:
http://everybodyiloveyou.blogspot.com/search/label/Marriage%20Agencies

[jfarinha]

I made a trip to ukraine, I met a woman from lugansk. she picked me up from the train station, with a taxi, and had an apartment flat , already picked out upon my arrival. I had to pay the taxi 50.00  day, and the room was 50.00 a day for 5 days. she wanted to go shopping for a gift for her mother. so, I agreed. I somehow ended up buying her a fur coat for 2100.00, There were about 10 people around me at the time, telling me, how dumb , I was not to buy the coat. so, I conceeded. The dumbest moment of my life.
      she was gone, within five minutes of the purchase. the taxi took me back to the room. she then sent an sms, that we need to go shopping, she needs new clothes for marriage. I refused. I stayed in the apartment for 5 days, she kept demanding money for gifts. telling me it is not tradition. she loved me, she knew how to talk, and what to say. There was always a translator, or taxi driver, that needed to be paid. I got tired of it. and left, after loosing 3000.00, that week.
     I met some other woman, 1 woman in kiev, she isnt the most attractive. but, she never asked me for a dime, in fact, she insisted on buying me lunch.
but, the first woman, she keeps emailing me, wanting money for a passport. to come see me, will she ever stop asking for money.
what is her deal. I do not understand. dont they want a better life? Is it all just about money, what they can get from someone?
Is she a pro dater? how do i know whats going on. I like the woman, from lugansk.(she is so hot) she was very attractive. I was never able to be alone with her, she always had someone around. like the taxi, or translator.
Is this their means of intertainment, or is this really their tradition? she just tells me it tradition, to buy gifts.
      from lugansk, I went back to kiev, then to Odessa. Where, I was supposed to meet a woman, she never showed up.
spent the whole day in the train station. they went to simperopol, and met another woman, she was nice, spent 2 days in her flat
she is older. not that attractive. does not respond well to emails.
      the woman from lugansk, kept sms me, so, I went back to lugansk. she told me, she wanted to marry. so,I returned.
I thought she was serious. spent another 2 or 3 days. I told her not to leave. because, I do not like to sit in an apartment, to do nothing. so, she left, the neighbor had a friend. so, i met another woman. wasnt that attractive. but, spent the night with me, the first time meeting. was pretty cool. gave her 400.00 to get her passport. havent heard from her, again.
        went to kiev to leave for the plane. called one last woman from the website, you met me at the train station. bought me breakfast, and lunch. refused to accept payment. has her own passport. send me the paperwork for the visa application. has average looks.

why does she keep emailing me? I told her, I will not spend another dime on her.
but, she wants money for a passport. what should I do?
is she a prodater? does she ever want to come to the usa?
I dont understand the mentality of the ukraines. I would want to get the hell out of there.
I met woman that need to work 2 jobs, to pay their rent.
she always wants everything her way. I told her. maybe I will come back.
but, she needs to meet me in kiev, she says no. I need to meet her in lugansk.
I dont think these are very caring gestures.
Is there a way to meet more women in 1 place?
I talked with women on 1russian-women.com 
so, I decided to meet a few woman, the women get mad, if you tell them you are going to
look around and try to meet many women. they want you to come just for them.
Luckily, I had a few phone numbers of some other woman. I only met 4 woman when in the ukraine. for 15 days.
I think that I should have met at least 30 to 50 women, after all , its a numbers game.
I think, for anyone to visit ukraine. you should do a better job then me.
be orgainized. only plan on visiting 2 or 3 different cities at the most. and meet as many women as possible.
Problem, most women work 2 jobs. they are very busy. they do not want to quit their job. for a chance.
and, like the woman said, you will be gone, I will still be here. the visa takes a long time to get.
so, how do you meet these woman?

[Doll]

Is this their means of entertainment, or is this really their tradition?

No

[GoodOlBoy]

I made a trip to ukraine, I met a woman from lugansk......

Does anybody believe this story?

[Doll]

I think that I should have met at least 30 to 50 women,

Sure. Go for more 

[Bogdon7331]

You'll stick out like a sore thumb there, and I'm not quite sure how they would react to you there either. It's been my observation that people gravitate to others of the same ethic mix because it's tough enough just making a relationship work with a woman from your own race. It will be a lot harder when she isn't, and many Ukrainians may not be happy to see you there. You're an outsider to them, and that alone is a major hurdle to overcome, even here in the U.S. I would be careful for another reason, things are in a state of tumult in Ukraine, and you don't want to get caught up in anything unpleasant because American law does not follow you abroad. I would plan on going there and seeing the sights around Odessa and the Crimea region of Ukraine and just see the lay of the land there.  It's a beautiful area and you have the Black Sea there too. Good luck!

[Faux Pas]

Does anybody believe this story?

Truth is stranger than fiction.

A fool and his money soon part.

Just two cliches that come to mind

[felix8787]

she wanted to go shopping for a gift for her mother. so, I agreed. I somehow ended up buying her a fur coat for 2100.00, There were about 10 people around me at the time, telling me, how dumb , I was not to buy the coat. so, I conceeded. The dumbest moment of my life.
      she was gone, within five minutes of the purchase.

Christmas came early for her.

the taxi took me back to the room. she then sent an sms, that we need to go shopping, she needs new clothes for marriage. I refused. I stayed in the apartment for 5 days, she kept demanding money for gifts. telling me it is not tradition. she loved me, she knew how to talk, and what to say. There was always a translator, or taxi driver, that needed to be paid. I got tired of it. and left, after loosing 3000.00, that week.
     I met some other woman, 1 woman in kiev, she isnt the most attractive. but, she never asked me for a dime, in fact, she insisted on buying me lunch.
but, the first woman, she keeps emailing me, wanting money for a passport. to come see me, will she ever stop asking for money.
what is her deal. I do not understand. dont they want a better life? Is it all just about money, what they can get from someone?
Is she a pro dater? how do i know whats going on. I like the woman, from lugansk.(she is so hot) she was very attractive. I was never able to be alone with her, she always had someone around. like the taxi, or translator.
Is this their means of intertainment, or is this really their tradition? she just tells me it tradition, to buy gifts.
      from lugansk, I went back to kiev, then to Odessa. Where, I was supposed to meet a woman, she never showed up.
spent the whole day in the train station. they went to simperopol, and met another woman, she was nice, spent 2 days in her flat
she is older. not that attractive. does not respond well to emails.
      the woman from lugansk, kept sms me, so, I went back to lugansk. she told me, she wanted to marry. so,I returned.
I thought she was serious. spent another 2 or 3 days. I told her not to leave. because, I do not like to sit in an apartment, to do nothing. so, she left, the neighbor had a friend. so, i met another woman. wasnt that attractive. but, spent the night with me, the first time meeting. was pretty cool. gave her 400.00 to get her passport. havent heard from her, again.
        went to kiev to leave for the plane. called one last woman from the website, you met me at the train station. bought me breakfast, and lunch. refused to accept payment. has her own passport. send me the paperwork for the visa application. has average looks.

why does she keep emailing me? I told her, I will not spend another dime on her.
but, she wants money for a passport. what should I do?
nothing, unless you want give her more charity.
is she a prodater? does she ever want to come to the usa?
Which lady are you talking about? Oh the lady from Lugansk.
I dont understand the mentality of the ukraines. I would want to get the hell out of there.
I met woman that need to work 2 jobs, to pay their rent.
she always wants everything her way. I told her. maybe I will come back.
but, she needs to meet me in kiev, she says no. I need to meet her in lugansk.
I dont think these are very caring gestures.
Is there a way to meet more women in 1 place?
I talked with women on 1russian-women.com 
so, I decided to meet a few woman, the women get mad, if you tell them you are going to
look around and try to meet many women. they want you to come just for them.
Luckily, I had a few phone numbers of some other woman. I only met 4 woman when in the ukraine. for 15 days.
I think that I should have met at least 30 to 50 women, after all , its a numbers game.
I think, for anyone to visit ukraine. you should do a better job then me.
be orgainized. only plan on visiting 2 or 3 different cities at the most. and meet as many women as possible.
Problem, most women work 2 jobs. they are very busy. they do not want to quit their job. for a chance.
and, like the woman said, you will be gone, I will still be here. the visa takes a long time to get.
so, how do you meet these woman?

I am not sure whether to believe this story or not. All I see when I read this, is that this man is looking for a trophy wife as noted in the above quote in underlined bold that I marked.
Buddy boy got duped for a $2100 fur coat and still doesn't see it, only that she is very hot and he is hoping that she will quit her job for a chance.
What do you mean "how do you meet these woman?", you met women, but showering with cash isn't going to get them to fall head over heals for you like you want them to be.

[Doll]

Buddy boy got duped for a $2100 fur coat and still doesn't see it

$2100 х 50  =? 

[jfarinha]

why is everyone so critical of new people that share their stories?
    I am a bad guy, because, I am not used to being around professional liars.
I goto church every weekend, I believe people are basically good people.
if people lie, it is for a reason. I told the woman, she is a scammer, and she said no.
she does make money off of my from renting the apartment, but, I will be home, she still needs to live.
I can understand her philosophy, they are just trying to protect themselves. they do not make much money.
so, where is the problem, with scamming a few bucks. We all do it in some way, when we pay our taxes. we all cheat
I think they make scammers out to be bad people. they are like everyone else.
whats the problem with wanting an attractive woman, someone has them?
what do they really want? the pro daters?
I am a semi retired realtor. I do not want a high maintenance woman.
I just dont understand their logic.
now the woman , said, she needs 38,000 , to pay for the apartment, she helps her mom out. and cant leave.
unless, I pay the 38000. then the landlord will let her leave.
question,
1. If , I pay the money, will she really come to the usa with me?
2.why would anyone make this up?
3.what is wrong with looking for an attractive woman?
4. if woman is a scammer, can you ever marry the woman, what do they want?

[Doll]

I just dont understand their logic.

Whose?

[GoodOlBoy]

I told the woman, she is a scammer, and she said no.

Of course she said she isn't! What did you expect her to say?

she does make money off of my from renting the apartment, but, I will be home, she still needs to live.

Don't worry some other dumb  #ss  will be in Lugansk next week. She'll clip him for a few thousand too.

1. If , I pay the money, will she really come to the usa with me?

You are joking? Why don't you just send me the money instead?

2.why would anyone make this up?

Because it is Sunday and you are bored with nothing to do.

[jfarinha]

the woman said, she loves me,and wants to come to the usa. but, she helps her mom with the
apartment rent. She said, she will marry me first. and then, I will give her mom, 38,000.00 for the rent of the
apartment. they wont release her passports. unless the money is paid.
    And whats the problem with trying to land an attractive woman.
I used to have a hot babe, 20 years ago. she gained weight, so, I divorced her.
but, it is nice to have a hot babe. I seen her do more things then you would imagine.
she got tons of things for free. and people stumble over themselves. She could get reservations and rooms.
like noboby could. I saw her get out of a speeding ticket, with a warning.
its nice to walk into a party, and tell your friends, she with me. I would recommend that to anyone.
People that disagree with me, do not have hot babes. So, they are jealous.
I do not see the problem , with spending a little money on an attractive woman.
1.Just tell me, is there any way, I can guarantee, the woman will come with me, if, I give her the money she needs?
2.what do scammers want?

[Doll]

38 000 what? Dollars?

[felix8787]

why is everyone so critical of new people that share their stories?
    I am a bad guy, because, I am not used to being around professional liars.
Your not a bad guy just naive.
I goto church every weekend, I believe people are basically good people.
if people lie, it is for a reason. I told the woman, she is a scammer, and she said no.
and you believed this? how long did you know the woman?
she does make money off of my from renting the apartment, but, I will be home, she still needs to live.
what?
I can understand her philosophy, they are just trying to protect themselves. they do not make much money.
so you trying to be a white knight coming to the rescue?
so, where is the problem, with scamming a few bucks. We all do it in some way, when we pay our taxes. we all cheat
if you like parting ways with your money, by all means go for it.
I think they make scammers out to be bad people. they are like everyone else.
does this even make sense to you????
whats the problem with wanting an attractive woman, someone has them?
So you want what someone else has and figured "hey I can have that too."
what do they really want? the pro daters?
That's a question that you need to ask yourself.
I am a semi retired realtor. I do not want a high maintenance woman.
And you think that bringing a foreign woman is not high maintenance?
I just dont understand their logic.
Whose logic? Yours or the women?
now the woman , said, she needs 38,000 , to pay for the apartment, she helps her mom out. and cant leave.
unless, I pay the 38000. then the landlord will let her leave.
Do you see what I see? Is the landlord her pimp????
question,
1. If , I pay the money, will she really come to the usa with me?
Ok, all kidding aside, seriously...what are you thinking???? If I pay will she come with me to the usa??? Are you trying to buy her affection with the hopes that she will forever be indebted to you?
2.why would anyone make this up?
you need to educate yourself and read, because obviously you have no idea what you are in for.
3.what is wrong with looking for an attractive woman?
nothing so long as she is attracted to you also. but you keep demeaning these women that you met about how one is hot and the other is not so attractive. makes me wonder what their thoughts of you are when they speak to their girlsfriends.
4. if woman is a scammer, can you ever marry the woman, what do they want?
Why would you want to marry a scammer???? They want...MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY

Jfarinha,
You really really............and I mean really need to read and educate yourself. Not trying to be hard on you, but daaannnnggg, this isn't some fairytale white knight whisks away a beautiful maiden kind of thing and she will forever be indebted to you for taking her away from a dreadful place.
How much $$$$$$$$$ are you willing lose before you wise up?

[Doll]

2.what do scammers want?

You have 12 guesses.

[Diplomacy]

You have 12 guesses.

Fur coats on First Date

Shopping on your dime after

$38,000 for rent she owes a landlord

I really hope you are messing around.