where can I meet a real man?

[SANDRO43]

I think it also depends on your intellectual bent, i.e. whether you're curious about what you don't know and like to have someone knowledgeable and articulate explain it.

I think I already recounted how many years ago I (an MA but with a previous technical background in chemistry - while working for IBM, I was always addressed as Ingegnere by my customers, given IBM Italy's then propensity for hiring graduates with scientific/technical degrees) had a brief affair with an MS in Biology working for our Istituto Nazionale dei Tumori (National Cancer Institute, she's now their Deputy Scientific Director). After our brief affair ended quite amicably, we kept meeting for dinner at least once a year for some fifteen years thereafter, until she eventually remarried.

I would love hearing her explain what new avenues of research she was pursuing or the latest promising approaches in cancer therapy, while she questioned me about what was new in IT. A very stimulating give-and-take, IMPO. Also, we're both Aquarians, and we thrive on flights of the mind and exploring the - to us, for the moment - unknown .

[mark2353]

Moonlight,

One thing I can say is that I read these forums when I was curious about traveling long before I joined. Most of the guys here maybe seeing someone, engaged, or married, but I bet a lot of browsers are just guys curious about traveling to Tallinn, Moscow or what ever city. I probably discovered these forums well over a year ago and just recently got back from my first trip.

My point being you might just try posting your profile and pictures right here on this forum. oh and with a yahoo or gmail email account for responses.

Fantastic Idea! You never know where you will meet that interesting guy! There might be some members that are still looking or unsure...
best of wishes!
Mark

[felix8787]

I think it also depends on your intellectual bent, i.e. whether you're curious about what you don't know and like to have someone knowledgeable and articulate explain it.

This is true, I myself like learning new things....I am learning Russian on my own. Привет, как дела? Жорошо? Как семья? Some people call it crazy and I call it self improvement.
The other thing that also interest me is the law..especially family law. What that's saying about a person who goes to court without a lawyer and represents himself in court...."If you represent yourself, you have a fool for a client". Well I'm that fool 
I have been told by the lady the I went and seen in Kiev that I have "Golden Hands", I guess that is a compliment and took it as that. Then my friend when I was there came by my apartment and heard the washing machine going says "You know how to work machine and wash clothes?" I just laughed and said yes.
If I put my mind into, anything is possible. And right now I am......creating a path in my life that I hope will pan out for a better future.

felix8787

[Moonlight]

I liked the advice about conferences - Im not in science as you may imagine. I work in office full time in Moscow, of course I get a lot of attention from men at my job, but i rarely attend any big conferences so its not a chance for me to meet.

I forsee your question about meeting a man in Russia - well, 4 years of dating with RMan did not bring any happiness in my life, i was tired of constant waiting when he would be ready to propose. The second was the relationship with man of the same age, ended in his words: you irritate me in everything you do. I cant be with a man who says such things about his woman. Apart from those, all men who are attracted, either married or divorced with children.  Working from 8am till 9pm doesnt give me a chance to meet too many man as i want so internet is the only place where i can try to meet someone...

[felix8787]

Morning or in your case good afternoon Moonlight,

I forsee your question about meeting a man in Russia - well, 4 years of dating with RMan did not bring any happiness in my life, i was tired of constant waiting when he would be ready to propose. The second was the relationship with man of the same age, ended in his words: you irritate me in everything you do. I cant be with a man who says such things about his woman. Apart from those, all men who are attracted, either married or divorced with children.  Working from 8am till 9pm doesnt give me a chance to meet too many man as i want so internet is the only place where i can try to meet someone...

Daaaannnnnggggg! He said that? And I guess he was Mr. Bigshot and that everything he did was perfect and nothing could go wrong. Arrogant @$$hole, oops pardon me for using foul language, it does slip out every now and then.
13hr shifts doesn't seem a whole lot of fun, have you had any luck with EM as of lately? Did you get a chance to join other sites?

felix8787

[Moonlight]

yes Felix, indeed he said that it was more than offensiveto me. And in that relationship i remembered smth i consider to be absolutely imapropriate to say to your partner. He said: i dont want to go out with you in companies of friends as you are not the person who can behave herself. That was soooooooo offensive.   
So after that i dont feel I want to date Russian man again

[felix8787]

yes Felix, indeed he said that it was more than offensiveto me. And in that relationship i remembered smth i consider to be absolutely imapropriate to say to your partner. He said: i dont want to go out with you in companies of friends as you are not the person who can behave herself. That was soooooooo offensive.   
So after that i dont feel I want to date Russian man again

I can understand why you don't want to date RM anymore, I get the impression that he was the last straw in dating RM and thought "the hell with this $hit" (oops did it again), I deserve someone that is able to respect me and like me who for I am.
Kinda goes along with my same thought patterns about AW.
I seriously have to ask, what in gods name did you see in this fellow? And how long did this relationship last? What did you do that he considered so badly as to say that? Unwind having a good time with friends? What kind of bug crawled up his rear and died there? I'm sorry for um...talking like a sailor...it just sounds better then trying to beat around the bush.

felix8787

[Bluebell]

yes Felix, indeed he said that it was more than offensiveto me. And in that relationship i remembered smth i consider to be absolutely imapropriate to say to your partner. He said: i dont want to go out with you in companies of friends as you are not the person who can behave herself. That was soooooooo offensive.   
So after that i dont feel I want to date Russian man again

Now this IS serious talk. How do you behave around his friends that he feels ashamed with you? Why do you think that inappropriate behaviour of their partners doesn't make Western men feel ashamed? Or irritated? Was he saying it just like that or maybe indeed he means it?

[Misha]

He said: i dont want to go out with you in companies of friends as you are not the person who can behave herself. That was soooooooo offensive.   

I presume he was very jealous and he interpreted anything that you did around his male friends as being inappropriate.

[felix8787]

I presume he was very jealous and he interpreted anything that you did around his male friends as being inappropriate.

Now this IS serious talk. How do you behave around his friends that he feels ashamed with you? Why do you think that inappropriate behaviour of their partners doesn't make Western men feel ashamed? Or irritated? Was he saying it just like that or maybe indeed he means it?

I don't think being jealous has anything to do with him being a total "DICK" Van put a damper on the evening type of guy.

[Moonlight]

Im very sociable person, Im smart enough and always have smth to say in a company, ie im not like a silent mouse. My exbf was that one ))))  He did not like the way i was acting with his friends as talking about everything, music, books, travelling...  yes i guess it was jealousy

[felix8787]

Im very sociable person, Im smart enough and always have smth to say in a company, ie im not like a silent mouse. My exbf was that one ))))  He did not like the way i was acting with his friends as talking about everything, music, books, travelling...  yes i guess it was jealousy

Did he expect you to keep quiet and speak only when spoken too? Probably didn't like you stealing the limelight from him.

[Misha]

Im very sociable person, Im smart enough and always have smth to say in a company, ie im not like a silent mouse. My exbf was that one ))))  He did not like the way i was acting with his friends as talking about everything, music, books, travelling...  yes i guess it was jealousy

The usual combination: jealous and controlling I wager.

[Misha]

I don't think being jealous has anything to do with him being a total "DICK" Van put a damper on the evening type of guy.

Why? It is pretty typical. Extremely  jealous men will interpret any behavior of the girlfriends or wives around other men as inappropriate.

[felix8787]

Why? It is pretty typical. Extremely  jealous men will interpret any behavior of the girlfriends or wives around other men as inappropriate.

Yeah, your right. But I have met/known man who weren't the jealous type and were just complete dick's that didn't care about the woman that they were with. Jealousy and controlling is a double whammy on a relationship.

[Pike]

The second was the relationship with man of the same age, ended in his words: you irritate me in everything you do. I cant be with a man who says such things about his woman.  He said: i don't want to go out with you in companies of friends as you are not the person who can behave herself. That was soooooooo offensive. So after that i don't feel I want to date Russian man again

Moonlight, it is always helpful if a person steps back and reflects upon what someone who actually spends a lot of time with them has to say.  We can all do with some self improvement.

Also Moonlight, note that most of the men who respond here will go out of their way to give you and other FSU women compliments and sympathize with you, even when not warranted.  I hope you don't let the majority of men here fool you into believing  that you and other FSU women are as great as they would have you believe.  I know it is nice to get the compliments, but it would be harmful if you let it go to your head and actually believe you are that great.  :-))

Many men here are what we call 'puuussy whipped.'  They will do and say anything and grovel for the chance (no matter what a long-shot) to get a sniff.

[Misha]

Also Moonlight, note that most of the men who respond here will go out of their way to give you and other FSU women compliments and sympathize with you, even when not warranted. 

What exactly where the compliments that you found so distasteful in this thread?

Many men here are what we call 'puuussy whipped.'  They will do and say anything and grovel for the chance (no matter what a long-shot) to get a sniff.

Well, it is my observation that the men who worry most about being "pussy whipped" have other issues that they must deal with. 

[Gator]

He said: i dont want to go out with you in companies of friends as you are not the person who can behave herself. That was soooooooo offensive. 

Which you later elaborated as follows:

im not like a silent mouse. My exbf was that one ))))  He did not like the way i was acting with his friends as talking about everything, music, books, travelling...   yes i guess it was jealousy

And you concluded based on your ex-boyfriend's behavior:

So after that i dont feel I want to date Russian man again

Moonlight, that is no reason to not date RM again.  

First, not all RM are this way based on my limited experience.  

Second, I do not consider his behavior as jealousy.  It is simply incompatibility.   You enjoy parties and social interaction while he prefers to stay at home.

Third, there are many Western men who are also homebodies.

Fourth, if jealousy and controlling behavior bother you (and almost all women detest such), the Western men frequently have this problem. I have heard many stories where the Western man was very jealous about his RW wife and very controlling, keeping her in a cage.  My RW wife was engaged to a WM much younger than me, better looking than me, highly social, and with a good income.  However, he was so jealous and controlling that he drove her away.  The same as you, she left him when she realized he would never change.


I still think that you can find your dream man in the West; however, do not believe that all of them are faultless.  It is quite possible that an AM has had relationship problems with AW, and after reading marriage agency hype he now seeks a RW wife thinking she will be compliant and will accept his baggage.  PhD RW are not compliant.  In fact, I wonder if any RW is compliant.

[felix8787]

Also Moonlight, note that most of the men who respond here will go out of their way to give you and other FSU women compliments and sympathize with you, even when not warranted.  I hope you don't let the majority of men here fool you into believing  that you and other FSU women are as great as they would have you believe.  I know it is nice to get the compliments, but it would be harmful if you let it go to your head and actually believe you are that great.  :-))

Basically what you are saying here, is that she really isn't nothing, right? Just another Russian woman notch in your belt to you? Just how do you know that she isn't a great person, have you met her personally and she refused you or something?

Many men here are what we call 'puuussy whipped.' 

Pike, I am wondering, do you know most/many of the men in here personally to even call them "pussy whipped"?

They will do and say anything and grovel for the chance (no matter what a long-shot) to get a sniff.

(crawling on hands and knees panting like a dog)  

[mark2353]

Many men here are what we call 'puuussy whipped.'  They will do and say anything and grovel for the chance (no matter what a long-shot) to get a sniff.

To make such a broad statement, you must either only socialize with those types or be one! I am rather shocked you make such a comment!

[Bluebell]

Pike and Gator, these are also my exact thoughts.

 A few offending words of a 'silent mouse' are able to turn you away from the men of your country but not even 5 failed relationships with WM are enough for you?
Of course, you have a right to look elsewhere too, just the reasons you give for doing so don't sound too convincing.

By the way, I know quite a few 'silent mice' with PhD and even more parrots without any degree.

[Moonlight]

Bluebell - huh, lucky you 

im not saying i will never ever date Russian man in my life. Im still looking for that special man, and actually i have nice life here in MSK so getting out of the country is not smth what im seeking for

[Misha]

A few offending words of a 'silent mouse' are able to turn you away from the men of your country but not even 5 failed relationships with WM are enough for you?

A few dates hardly qualifies as a relationship IMHO 

By the way, I know quite a few 'silent mice' with PhD and even more parrots without any degree.

What is this with PhD's?  It seems to have raised the ire of a few people and I don't really understand why 

[mark2353]

Moonlight,
I think there are several nice guys in the forum that would not mind meeting you if you post a email address for then or even a picture. Like we said before you never know where that especial man is?
I will tell you sincerely that I think I am to old otherwise I would be in line for a great lady like yourself.
Like other people said 5,10... just meet these guys and you are smart enough to be able to separate the scammer or sex only from the real man.
keep us I would like to know the outcome. Like we say here go get them!

[neo]

I would marry a Russian, i know girls who have spent over a decade trying to find a WM.

I understand the situation from a WM perspective, the huge  competion amongst RW for WM means we have the odds so unfairly stacked in our favour we can be far more choosy and demanding that we have a right to. from a RW perspective i don't know what the appeal is. But if you want to meet a really nice single WM then just go to Sweden. The men there are fantastic husband material, just good luck finding one over about 23 who isnt already happy and spoken for.