My trip to ukraine, and advice on what not to do. What others fail to mention

[jfarinha]

Here is my story of my misfortune in the Ukraine.
I was very tired after traveling 18 hours, I arrived in Kiev airport. The immigration like was like a massive crowd. Everyone nudging in front of you. There is a rest room off to the left. You get through immigration. Head towards the door. You get approached my at least 30 different taxis. Walk out to the right, and find a bus, going to the train station.
          You will pay about 5 us dollars. At the train station, change about 100.00 us dollars. Since,the exchange rate is not the greatest. But, will give you enough to get a train ticket. Then, I got a ticket 2nd class to lugansk. I already told the woman, what time and date ,  I would be arriving. She was there to meet me, with a taxi driver.
           First mistake, Never go anywhere with the womans taxi driver. This will give them the upper hand, and have control over you. Do not let me carry your luggage. Drag your luggage out to the street, and get your own taxi. Goto  motel with internet.
         I went with her taxi,and interpretor. Paid each of them 50 bucks.  and she had a room already picked out. That cost me 300.00 for 3 days, It was a pretty decent room, and the lady insisted on locking me in. I told the woman, if you do that, there will be no furniture in the room, when she returns. There was a  microwave, tv, cable, phone, nice shower. I paid for the room, we took the taxi , to go eat. She demanded, that, I give her 1000.00 for a gift for mother. I refused. But, bought dinner, which was 300 uah, about 50 bucks. She was pretty mad, so, I returned to the apartment. She left.
          Arrived about 1015 the next day. Arrived again with interpretor and taxi. Gave them each another 50 bucks.  Wanted money for mother. Mother was sick, Needed to see a doctor. I said no. She said, I need to leave the apartment. I said no. She needs to leave. Ended up getting some dinner, since taxi was  paid for. And went to see a few sites, the university. She insisited that she needed to work. So, she sent the taxi to take me home.
       She arrived 1000 the next day, with interpretor and taxi, wanted another 50 bucks, this time, I had enough, and said no, I was ready to leave. Took my stuff down stairs. Through her the keys, had the taxi take me to the train station. Cost me 200 uah.
Took the train to kiev.  Called another woman, she said that she was busy working.
It was getting late, about 8 pm., So, I called another woman that I had been talking with in Odessa, So, I got a ticket to Odessa, Arrived at 0600, and the woman never showed. Had to wait all day, for a ticket to simperopol, to meet another woman. That train left at about 1800, and the woman did meet me, as ,I got off the train. She had a taxi ready. That cost me 350uah. The woman asked, If, I wanted to get a motel. ( said she would make it worth my while) or, I can stay with her. But ,she has a son. So, I stay 2 days at her place.
        Next day, she wanted to take me to do some shopping for food. I agreed, she went into the perfume store. And was going to buy some perfume. I stepped in , and said, I will get that. Then, went to get a few groceries. Somehow, the cart began to get full. Of nonsense items, Like cake, and cookies, crap food. We carried the food back to her dumpy place, and she cooked it up. She sat on my lap, hugging and kissing me, It was late, and she went to bed.
             Meanwhile, the first lady from lugansk, kept sms , messages to me, telling me she is sorry, it’s a misunderstanding, She loves me, wants to marry me, had kids. So, I agree to return
           I tell the lady that, I am with. I need to meet other woman. She gets very pissed off. And tells me to get out. I agree, and grab my stuff , and head down stairs. She runs after me, tells me, she is sorry. She said, wait. I will help you. She gets me a cab, takes me to the train station. But, the train doesn’t run to lugansk. So, I have to get a bus first, then the train station. We get the tickets. She wants to know everything about, where , I am going. I tell her nothing. As the more, I tell her. The more pissed off she gets..
           I travel back to lugansk, thinking, by train and bus, thinking, This woman really likes me, again. She meets me with taxi and interpretor.50 and 50 bucks.
        I goto the apartment, end up paying 600 for 5 more days. They tell me, there are no motels. They are all full this time of the year,  4 or 5 people standing around. Telling me this crap. I get the apartment. The woman and the interpetor. Tell me how lucky that I am to have such a beautiful wife, I should buy my wife a wedding gift, to show her mother. How much , I love this woman, the interpretor, says, maybe some perfume, roses, things like that. We go shopping. I end up in a perfume store. I somehow agree to purchase 1400 uah in perfumes. After, I am marrying this woman. That’s what the interpretor is telling me, don’t blow it. Next , they said, I need to exchange some mone, lets go to the bank.
        We somehow ended up at a fur coat store. I have no idea of what they cost. I am thinking maybe 50-100 bucks. Not even close. Then next thing that I know. 10 people are all standing around me yelling at me, how stupid of a man, to not buy this woman a nice wedding gift. They want 3000 us dollars for the coat. They tell me, because, I am an America, 2100, is the best they can do. I completely went insane, and paid the money.
             5 minutes later, I can not find the woman anywhere. The taxi told me, she needed to return to her mother.( the truth, the coat probably never left the store, I never say the coat again) she probably split the money in some fashion.
          I had the taxi take me to get something to eat. Next day, the woman arrived with an interpretor, taxi, another 50 bucks each. Told me , we are going to see mother today, after shopping. She need clothes, shoes,  for marriage. Meanwhile, the interpretor, said, she would marry me, if , I bought her a coat.  I thought, I was in the twilight zone.
The interpretor was actually pretty hot herself. But, I spent enough money.

I told the woman, no shopping , that is my final word, she disappeared. It was early morning.  luckily, there was a guy in the same apartment, I tell him about my story, and he laughs for about 5 minutes. Telling me, I have been scammed. He knows a girl. He introduces   the girl to me, she instantly loves me. Spent the night, all the sex that I can imagine. The same night, 3 men approach my door, and try to break in , while this woman is in bed sleeping.  The other woman is on the phone, telling me to open the door. The scammer. Sms, telling me to open the door. The lady that I am with has husband, and wants to get his wife. I do not know what to do. But, will not open the door, it is midnight and, I am not opening the door for anyone at that time.
       I really don’t know, who is scamming who,  is that the lady husband? She takes me to meet her sister, said, she hates her mother. And cooks up some food, which is actually pretty good. I tell her, I am leaving for the usa, in 2 days, and ask for her help.
I wanted to meet one last lady in zaporhyhyzia. So, this other woman has her own car. She comes and picks me up , early in the morning, for the bus station. Drops me of, kisses and hugs, I give her 300 us dollars. As she needs it get a passport. I had the most sex I can imagine, this chick is about average. Nothing special. But, had a nice body and shape.
Anyways, left in the early morning, arrived in zaporhyhyzia, about 8 pm, met the hottest babe on the planet. Better than the woman in lugansk. She arrived at the bus station. Asked, if,I wanted to get a taxi or motel.
Got an excellent motel with internet for only 50 bucks. What a deal. She wanted to hang out with me in my room and have some dinner, the dinner was about 50 buck with wine. She stayed with me until about 0100. Said, she could stay until 0300. but, she has work at 0700, had to go home. First and get ready.So, she was leaving on the bus to go back home, I offered to pay for a taxi, that was 400uah, that we found off the street.
        I wrote the the woman, she responded, she needs to think about leaving her country.  After that, she never responds again. But, her roommate, keeps responding, telling me, she will marry me, the other woman is a fool. She must have told her about me or something. But, the roommate wants to meet up with me.
          I still had a day left. I called another woman in kiev, she said, I will meet you at the train station ,and take you to the airport. She was very nice. Bought me breakfast and lunch. We rode the bus to the airport, and she helped me out a lot, not asking for a dime. I tried to pay for my food, and she wouldn’t accept my money. She is nothing special. Just the average woman. I leave on the plane, and that’s the end of the story.
      Unlike most of the people in the forum, which criticize you for getting scammed, here Is my advice. As an America, you always think you can help people. Scammers don’t want help, you can never give them enough money, you can never win them over.
My rules;
1.   never use a womans taxi= get your own
you must stay in contol of the situation
2.   never goto their apartment, = get your own motel with internet
not matter what you think about prices. Get your own motel. At least for one night
you need time to organize
3.    always have a back plan= never meet with one woman
I suggest 30-40 woman , preferably 2 or 3 different cities.
4.  the more attractive they are , the more cautious you should be.
5. never let them know you have money.
6.  Learn some Russian, or at least bring index cards with Russian written on them.
Like train station, bus station, motel, taxi. How much. You need some basic Russian skills. 2nd class, 1st class
7. Never spend a dime, unless you get something in return, eg. Sex.
8. Most important, if you are serious. Bring a g-325a, I would bring a couple of different sets of paper work. For different woman, you may find a better woman, anyone that you might consider, have them fill it out, take picture with you and the woman, take like a passport photo picture, for the visa application. This way, when you go back home, you can file for the visa,

      If, I did it all over again. I would pick maybe 2 cities, kiev and Odessa. stay away from lugansk. Have women meet you in those cities. Stay for 2 weekends
one weekend in one city, the other weekend in the other cities. Since, most women work 2 jobs.
Meet as many woman as you can. and follow my rules. you will never fail to accomplish your mission. you will find a nice woman. guaranteed.

[BC]

Reminds me a bit about a saying an old man once told me..

"If you stick your finger into stinky places, dont expect it to come out smelling like roses.."

Quite a tale (or tail?).

Sounds like you are picking the right women.

[neo]

I lol'd. no i really did.

[Ade]

Seriously, it makes you wonder sometimes, it really does.

[groovlstk]

8. Most important, if you are serious. Bring a g-325a, I would bring a couple of different sets of paper work. For different woman, you may find a better woman, anyone that you might consider, have them fill it out, take picture with you and the woman, take like a passport photo picture, for the visa application. This way, when you go back home, you can file for the visa,

So basically you went to Ukraine with a G-325A and stuck it in the face of every pretty girl you "dated," only to have them extract as much cash from you as possible and run away laughing without signing on the dotted line? You describe yourself as an "average guy," methinks you have a highly inflated opinion of yourself.

This guy must be a troll, no one can be raked over the coals so badly and come away without the slightest bit of useful wisdom except for a tip about taxi drivers.

[jfarinha]

I dont really appreciate what you are saying about me. Just because, I was unaware of whats going on.
I think anyone for the first time, what be in the same position.
In fact, I have enough money, to head back out there.
       That was just round won. I have a few rounds left in me. If anyone wants to head out there with me.
I will be planning alot better. I want to take on any scammer. I believe, I can out do any guy. I will get sex with the hot
babes you call scammers, without a dime. It just takes preparation and planning.
if anyone wants to know how to beat them at their own game. I am putting a plan together.
      I will be back. on my terms. If anyone needs any advice. Just shoot me a pm.
Dont listen to what the groundsuckers. tell you around here. Be prepared. Thats your best weapon.
They criticize people for being new, and not knowing what to do. If you ask me, I will give you
honest advice. On how to get out of any situation.
    New guys, dont listen to all the back lash. Most of these guys. Dont have a dime. So, they cant get a hot babe
and dont know what its like, to have the hotest girl in town.

[Gator]

jfarinha,

My, my!  You are an honest man to reveal how you got played in this.  

I have never been a fan of local guides (Pavel, Stirlitz, Eduard, etc.) because I always managed to navigate the waters on my own.  However in the case of young men chasing hot RW, a guide should be mandatory.

One question, how could the fur coat trick pass the smell test?

As you said, avoid Lugansk.   Five minutes of reading RWD would have convinced you of that.  Lugansk had a reputation for scammers 7 years ago.  You have proven that the sharks are still there.

Your rules:

1.   never use a womans taxi= get your own
you must stay in contol of the situation

GOOD

2.   never goto their apartment, = get your own motel with internet
not matter what you think about prices. Get your own motel. At least for one night
you need time to organize

GOOD, BUT RENT AN APARTMENT THROUGH A SERVICE, NOT A HOTEL.

3.    always have a back plan= never meet with one woman
I suggest 30-40 woman , preferably 2 or 3 different cities.

While multiple women is better IMO for the first trip, 30-40 is absurd.  My suggestion is that you meet 2-3 women in each city, women with whom you have corresponded and talked.

4.  the more attractive they are , the more cautious you should be.

Duh!  The model types have already been trained by RM with money.  They expect to be given expensive presents simply because they are beautiful.    

5. never let them know you have money.

Duh!  Also, and I expect this is your case, do not show that you are really horny and have never been with a beautiful woman before.  Be cool and somewhat indifferent.  


6.  Learn some Russian, or at least bring index cards with Russian written on them.
Like train station, bus station, motel, taxi. How much. You need some basic Russian skills. 2nd class, 1st class

Duh!

7. Never spend a dime, unless you get something in return, eg. Sex.

If a woman asks for something, WALK.  They know that this is bad behavior, so by asking they are essentially saying, "I'm not interested in seeing you again, but you look stupid enough to buy me something."

8. Most important, if you are serious. Bring a g-325a, I would bring a couple of different sets of paper work. For different woman, you may find a better woman, anyone that you might consider, have them fill it out, take picture with you and the woman, take like a passport photo picture, for the visa application. This way, when you go back home, you can file for the visa,

BAD.  IN FACT, VERY BAD.  There is no substitute for time together, and you need a lot of time considering the huge differences so typical of these couplings.


Meet as many woman as you can. and follow my rules. you will never fail to accomplish your mission. you will find a nice woman. guaranteed.

Find a nice woman?  No guarantee about that unless you are more selective in the correspondence phase and meeting phase, and confirm mutual attraction and interest with followup meetings.

 

[neo]

In fact, I have enough money, to head back out there.

confirming I lol'd even more.

[Gator]

Neo, this is so bad that it is now amusing.  I felt sorry for him at the beginning of his initial post.  But now, I too am getting my chuckles.

I dont really appreciate what you are saying about me. Just because, I was unaware of whats going on.
I think anyone for the first time, what be in the same position.

No.  Many younger men who have an ounce of sense don't get fleeced as you were.

In fact, I have enough money, to head back out there.

Instead, why don't you buy some furniture.  Do you sit on your laundry hamper?   And art for your walls.
      

That was just round won. I have a few rounds left in me. If anyone wants to head out there with me.
I will be planning alot better. I want to take on any scammer. I believe, I can out do any guy. I will get sex with the hot
babes you call scammers, without a dime. It just takes preparation and planning.

You sound much like Smooth Operator from another time, another board, except Smooth Operator was smooth and did not get fleeced the first time.
 
if anyone wants to know how to beat them at their own game. I am putting a plan together.
      I will be back. on my terms. If anyone needs any advice. Just shoot me a pm.

Where can I sign up?

Dont listen to what the groundsuckers. tell you around here. Be prepared. Thats your best weapon.
They criticize people for being new, and not knowing what to do. If you ask me, I will give you
honest advice. On how to get out of any situation.
    New guys, dont listen to all the back lash. Most of these guys. Dont have a dime. So, they cant get a hot babe
and dont know what its like, to have the hotest girl in town.

The married men who continue to post at RWD year after year  do not impress me as men who used their money to buy a RW.  More important, they are happy.  It is evident in their posts.

[Misha]

New guys, dont listen to all the back lash. Most of these guys. Dont have a dime. So, they cant get a hot babe and dont know what its like, to have the hotest girl in town.

Sadly, what guys like you do not get is that even if you do seduce a beautiful woman with money, she will be with you only until she finds a higher bidder. Win over a beautiful woman with charm, wit, and personality, and she will be with you a lifetime. 

[Ade]

I dont really appreciate what you are saying about me. Just because, I was unaware of whats going on.
I think anyone for the first time, what be in the same position.
In fact, I have enough money, to head back out there.
       That was just round won. I have a few rounds left in me. If anyone wants to head out there with me.
I will be planning alot better. I want to take on any scammer. I believe, I can out do any guy. I will get sex with the hot
babes you call scammers, without a dime. It just takes preparation and planning.
if anyone wants to know how to beat them at their own game. I am putting a plan together.
      I will be back. on my terms. If anyone needs any advice. Just shoot me a pm.
Dont listen to what the groundsuckers. tell you around here. Be prepared. Thats your best weapon.
They criticize people for being new, and not knowing what to do. If you ask me, I will give you
honest advice. On how to get out of any situation.
    New guys, dont listen to all the back lash. Most of these guys. Dont have a dime. So, they cant get a hot babe
and dont know what its like, to have the hotest girl in town.

For some reason I just had a deja vu moment with flashes of Dawn Porter's MOB/AFA show and Kevin, the man with too much deodorant and a laugh that would make a hyena cringe. I wonder why.

[groovlstk]

      I will be back. on my terms. If anyone needs any advice. Just shoot me a pm.
Dont listen to what the groundsuckers. tell you around here. Be prepared. Thats your best weapon.

Why would anyone turn to you for advice? Your first trip was an absolute disaster, you were used and taken advantage of, and cast aside. The woman from Lugansk is probably still laughing with her boyfriend about how foolish you were and easy to dupe. Here's a hint: you shouldn't be GIVING advice, you should be SEEKING it.

    New guys, dont listen to all the back lash. Most of these guys. Dont have a dime. So, they cant get a hot babe
and dont know what its like, to have the hotest girl in town.

A good number of us are married to the "hotest" girl in town. Many of us made foolish mistakes on our first trip, like you, but managed to learn something from it.

[KenC]

The opening post is both the sadest and dumbest I have read in quite some time.  A fool and his money............

[catzenmouse]

The opening post is both the sadest and dumbest I have read in quite some time.  A fool and his money............

I think in this case it is spelled "Foole" like the George Carlin album Occupation Foole. 

[Faux Pas]

If this wasn't true it would be the funniest damn thing I have seen in a long time. And I have seen some seriously funny s**t.

jfarinha, dude you have much to learn. Please hold off on giving the advice out anytime soon. Hopefully one day you'll look back and read what you've written, and will bust a gut reading it too. It is okay with everyone here if you enjoy getting scammed by the "hot babes". Whatever gets you off. But please don't drag some other unsuspecting soul down with you.

Your inclination is to get peeved and think the posters here are insulting you. They are not. They are trying to shine a little bit of light on this disaster and trying to help you. You would do well to listen. Listen with your ears and give the mouth a rest.

You were a mark from day one. This girl and her team saw you coming. They prey on you and other guys like you. You may even get her alone next time or a quick hand job in the taxi. I'm sure she'll "take one for the team" if you have a couple more grand on you. If it is the sex with hot babes you need, you don't ever need to leave the country. If you just want to bang hot Ukrainian babes, you don't have to even write them. The prostitutes are hot too. You are not a shinning White Knight on the Arrow Charger. You can't save any of these girls. They are perfectly happy without you and taking your money.

jfarinha, most guys on this forum have found and/or looking for a serious woman to share their lives with. If this is what you are after, then you went about it completely the wrong way. If you are just looking for hot babes to poke, you can do it much cheaper and without being taken advantage of.

[Shadow]

I would be sorry for you, if it was not that you have displayed about every mistake a guy can make.
To be honest, don't go back. If you would meet a sincere woman, you would spoil her for any decent guy that comes after you.

[Pike]

Some suggest that sex tourists make it hard for WM who follow.  I suggest that stupic men make it even harder for WM who follow.

[AnastassiaAsh]

Pike, nice signature.  Admitting to yourself is the very first step towards changing. And I thought you had no hope. Maybe it's one of those rare times when I am wrong.    :angel:

[Kuna]

This guy is either a troll or an utter idiot... but as no one could be that stupid (and still breathing) I'm putting it down to "troll"!

[Gator]

Pike,

Good one (or two, including your new signature).

It may be your meds.  Some of the urinary control medications are known to have severe mental side effects.      

[Gator]

This guy is either a troll or an utter idiot... but as no one could be that stupid (and still breathing) I'm putting it down to "troll"!

Always a possibility, but this stuff is so good that one would think that it can not be made up.   But there are some clever people who get their rocks off doing such.

Before your time at RWD, a clever California attorney (ScotJay?) posted for years at RWG and would sometimes assume a false identity for a joke  (e. g., pretending to be a hot RW who has given up on RM).  He would admit it a week or so later.  However, he always left some clues such as spelling a trisyllable word correctly or using complete sentences.   So far not the case with our jfarinha. 

Also, ScotJay would use a witty name that somehow connected to RW.  Farinha:  "The Amazonian Indians early devised means of making the poisonous bitter cassava (manioc) edible; the end product, called farinha, became a food staple widely used today in much of tropical America."   I do not see the connection between an esoteric Portugese flour and RW.

[tim 360]

jfarinha, at first I though you were a Sundaytroll posting yesterday.  Now, I am not so sure.  I have somewhat had to change my mind and realize that you may be relating to us your own personal truth and this is a very sad story.  You need help.  You have problems.  You will not have success with women from anywhere no matter what you buy them.
 
In a way you are right that "round 1" is over.  Are you feeling lucky?  Are you going to hang in for 12 rounds.  

Then again, maybe you are just a jolly troll having fun.

[Faux Pas]

This guy is either a troll or an utter idiot... but as no one could be that stupid (and still breathing) I'm putting it down to "troll"!

Truth most of the time is stranger than fiction

[neo]

Neo, this is so bad that it is now amusing.  I felt sorry for him at the beginning of his initial post.  But now, I too am getting my chuckles.

dont feel sorry for him Gator - he is pure win

I mean, epic lolz. Its Ukraine Jerry Springer all over again.

OP, please go again, several times. and more advice.

Do you have any contacts where i can hire a coach to bus all the women to one motel with interwebz? I need at least a 40 seater and preferably a toilet so I don't lose too much sex in transit. One of those cheeky little numbers with the curtains would do. you have to be discrete about these things dont you.

And the papers? do you take a ring binder? how do you catagorise them? alphabetic? breast size? it must be hard to remember who you most want to sponsor after all that rutting.

I want more of this epic win advice plz. mmkthanks.

[jfarinha]

You old guys, have nothing to do but insult people.
I was at at a disadvantage. I didnt know the game was deception.
    why in the heck, would I ever let someone get by with that kind of behavior.
you have to teach people a lesson.

Task: deception as a millionaire player.

Goal: sex, and having the woman buy things for the man. Leave woman with a $10 tip.
ultimate goal. have woman buy plan tickets, and gifts.



I have been putting together a plan, to out do the scammers.
I went to by big brother. who is the biggest scammer. I know, always manages to leave his wallet at home.
when we meet for dinner. I tell him, thats pretty convenient.
     His advice. setup the whole situation, deception from the start.
Tell the woman in email. My family owns and oil field.
arrive with a suitcase of money. Mostly ones, wrapped with 100 bills.
that way, they will be mesmerized by the money, and fail to see. the flaws.
   Yes, I admit it, I was pretty stupid the first time around. They really know how to put on the charm.
Insulting me, just shows how ignorant you are.
we are americans. we should band together.
I have more money than any of these sluts put together.
I always repay my debts. and now, I have debts to pay.
      I have to contact some scammers, and start putting together plans.
I want to take on the tops scammers. thats the real challenge. I already have a jag, and an esalade.
my friend next door has a viper. I will take pictures with all the cars, and start setting the stage. I didnt know
we were playing by prison rules.


Question: whats the deal with the g325a?
 You think that you need to spend more time with the lady. I can agree. but, the time in ukraine is worthless. You want to see what they will be like in the usa. thats where they will live.
I would think, most men do not want to make more than one trip to ukraine.
      whats wrong with getting the finacee visa. you do have 90 days, to see what they will be like. I think that is better time spent.
if you dont get the 325a , done, you will have trouble, without , making another visit.
My preference, would be, to apply for the visa, and see what they will be like in usa.