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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2008, 12:29:57 PM »
I think that some of the more senior posters on this board are simply out of touch.

A 55yr old WM seeking and finding a 40 yr old FSU woman five years ago faced a very different situation than a 40yr old WM seeking a 30 yr old FSU woman today.

I don't think that the WOVO approach is as appropriate today as it was 5-10 years ago.  Similarly I think that the younger women are less likely to invest time and serious energy in a lengthy email correspondance.  For me, I'm interested in an urban woman (ie St.Pete's) since I live in a downtown, artist rich, area, and am looking for someone who would feel comfortable in that environment.  It seems that these women are even less likely to participate in a lengthy WOVO process.  Hence I'm taking a WMVM approach.

I think seems that many of the less tolerant board members are those who are a little older, took a WOVO approach 5-10 years ago, and presently have a successful relationship with RW and seem to enjoy that ego trip of celebrating their expertise on all WM/RW communications.  Sadly there is a lot less mentoring and a lot more insulting and ridiculing than I had expected.

Still, it's better to have the board and simply put up with the limitations of some of the poster's, rather than not having the board at al.
Before you give any credibility to any criticism or advice you receive here, read the poster's prior 20 posts and consider accordingly.

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2008, 12:31:56 PM »
Pikes TP is beneficial to this forum.

Pike/Albert's main point can be summed up thus: if you date enough women, some will eventually go out on a second and third date with you and on the third date most women are likely to sleep with you. So, if you date hundreds, you are likely to have sex with dozens of women.
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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2008, 12:57:11 PM »
I think that some of the more senior posters on this board are simply out of touch.

A 55yr old WM seeking and finding a 40 yr old FSU woman five years ago faced a very different situation than a 40yr old WM seeking a 30 yr old FSU woman today.

I don't think that the WOVO approach is as appropriate today as it was 5-10 years ago.  Similarly I think that the younger women are less likely to invest time and serious energy in a lengthy email correspondance.  For me, I'm interested in an urban woman (ie St.Pete's) since I live in a downtown, artist rich, area, and am looking for someone who would feel comfortable in that environment.  It seems that these women are even less likely to participate in a lengthy WOVO process.  Hence I'm taking a WMVM approach.

I think seems that many of the less tolerant board members are those who are a little older, took a WOVO approach 5-10 years ago, and presently have a successful relationship with RW and seem to enjoy that ego trip of celebrating their expertise on all WM/RW communications.  Sadly there is a lot less mentoring and a lot more insulting and ridiculing than I had expected.

Still, it's better to have the board and simply put up with the limitations of some of the poster's, rather than not having the board at al.

Actually, the loudest and most annoying cheerleader for WOVO was recently banned. He was particularly annoying because it was never a matter of individual preference for him - those who chose WMVM were either too stupid to communicate well or were incapable of "reading" their women through email. Then he would simply overwhelm any arguments with tangential crap or sheer # of posts.

daveyj, I don't know how you've determined that the senior guys on the board favor WOVO. Even those who were lucky w/WOVO are wise enough to tell newbs that it's a very individual choice. There are risks to both approaches.

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For me, I'm interested in an urban woman (ie St.Pete's) since I live in a downtown, artist rich, area, and am looking for someone who would feel comfortable in that environment.  It seems that these women are even less likely to participate in a lengthy WOVO process.  Hence I'm taking a WMVM approach.

Who says WOVO has to be lengthy? Why do you think an urban girl would be more likely to accept your WMVM approach? I think that's a misconception, in fact you might find that a city woman who has more prospects among local men + foreign guys is more likely to tell you to flake off if she finds out she's slotted for the 9:10 speed dating slot when she has plenty of other options.

FWIW, I started out WOVO (I was flying blind, w/out the benefit of this board or other men to bounce ideas off) and then wholeheartedly embraced WMVM. After many trips I became jaded and I ultimately met my wife on a WOVO trip. That said, I'd never recommend to fresh-faced newbs to do WOVO, the overwhelming odds are it's a waste of time. But it's clearly an individual choice and as long as a guy knows the risks going in, he has to accept the consequences.

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2008, 12:57:56 PM »
Pike/Albert's main point can be summed up thus: if you date enough women, some will eventually go out on a second and third date with you and on the third date most women are likely to sleep with you. So, if you date hundreds, you are likely to have sex with dozens of women.

Misha, I don't know if I've ever read in his TR's what his core motivation is. Rather a second and third date, marriage or sex for the fun of it and conquest. To be perfectly honest, I don't really care as I have no "dog in that hunt". However, I don't see him as the Cad and dirty rotten scoundrel that some of you do. Is he misrepresenting himself? Possibly, but only he can answer that for sure. I haven't found anywhere he was dishonest or misleading these ladies. They chose to have sex with him for their reasons and who is to know if it was for the pure pleasure of it or they hoped to snag a husband?

From much of the negative responses to his threads, I can only assume these people think they know the ladies thought and reasoning, when there is no way they could. That is unfair and dishonest to me. It really doesn't matter if he had sex with these women while dating them or not. The argument that he is taking advantage of desperate women really doesn't hold much credence with me. He has a story to tell of FSUW and this is a forum for telling it. As long as it is kept in decent taste I say no harm, no foul.

For those that don't find the in-depth details tasteful, ignore him and don't read it. Shouting it from a perceived higher ground of morality is Bullsh*t. If one doesn't like it and finds it offensive, plainly and simply do not read it. IMHO

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2008, 01:02:09 PM »
From much of the negative responses to his threads, I can only assume these people think they know the ladies thought and reasoning, when there is no way they could. That is unfair and dishonest to me.

Again, Pike expects respect where he gives none. Surprisingly, so many are jumping to defend Pike when we question his motives, yet say nothing when he accuses others of being "pussy whipped." Whatever  :rolleyes2:

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2008, 01:25:36 PM »
My experience with attractive serious Ukraine women in Kiev, Kharkov, and Sevastopol agencies is that if you visit them and than go see another girl after them they have no interest in you and your done.  When I say "my experience" it is based on people who work in agencies, girls I know in agencies, and men I have run into in Ukraine.   

I could care less about visit many or visit one but a good girl is not going to want a guy who is dating several girls at the sametime.  Plan on visiting many but if you find one you like and than visit another girl do not be surprised when the girl you met first has no more interest in you. 

Pike's trip report has nothing to do with finding a serious relationship.  His trip report is to target a high number of desperate women and have sex with them.  Reminds me of a friend of mine named "bull dozer".  Bull dozer targets divorced women with children.  Bull dozer is a 30 year old teacher.  He likes having sex and doing unusual things with these women.    Anyways he tells his friends this type of women is easy meat and more willing to have sex in hopes of finding a husband / boyfriend.  He finds these women in bars, hooters restaurants, and many other places.  He does very well and he makes little money, not good looking, fat.  But he has a ton of confidence and knows how to work desperate women.  Bull Dozer knows the type of girls he is successful with.  Pike mentioned AW are not easy for him.  Pike knows where he can have sex and that is where he goes for it. 

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2008, 02:17:06 PM »
This is not porn.  If you want porn, search the archives for threads started  by Albert (Pike's name at RWD before he was Pike).

Gator, I took your suggestion and did an archive search on Albert.

OMG, this man "ALBERT" is sick and disturbed. I mean he needs professional help.

I had to go take a shower after reading several pages of his "dirty" posts.  :puke:

I have a question. Assuming Sleazy Albert was banned from the RWD forum for his "sickness", how did he re-register as Porno Pike?

I thought it was specifically against the rules to register under another name when you have been banned?
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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2008, 03:25:31 PM »
Bull dozer is a 30 year old teacher.  He likes having sex and doing unusual things with these women.    Anyways he tells his friends this type of women is easy meat and more willing to have sex in hopes of finding a husband / boyfriend.  He finds these women in bars, hooters restaurants, and many other places.  He does very well and he makes little money, not good looking, fat.  But he has a ton of confidence and knows how to work desperate women.  Bull Dozer knows the type of girls he is successful with. 

Hmmm, is this guy's other handle Daknack?  :ROFL:

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2008, 03:48:21 PM »
His nick name is something he does to women which I can not post here (think 3rd dimension).  He is not a very close friend. 

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2008, 04:49:51 PM »

I thought it was specifically against the rules to register under another name when you have been banned?


Albert was never banned. 

Pike can explain his reasons for the name change.  Perhaps he wished to discuss RW and to share his experience, which is as extensive as any RWD member.  The 2006 Albert post that Misha quoted at 12:53pm today is IMO supportive of Albert's continuing to post.  However, he would not have received an unbiased audience under the pseudonym "Albert." 

So Albert, the worm, spun a cocoon and metamorphosed into Pike.  Not exactly a Butterfly, yet at least closer to mainstream and full of serious concepts.

Albert should not have been given space at RWD, yet I read Albert, probably for quirky amusement.  I am not sure why I read Pike, yet I do, perhaps because there is still an element of quirkiness.  

Originally, I thought Pike was a player (i. e., sex tourist), albeit a geriatric one.  He says he is forthright with the RW he meets and I give him the benefit of the doubt.  I have a feeling that the RW he beds would never cross my radar, even though I am older than Pike (Oh My God!), and hence Pike deserves a medal for the attention he gives to lonely RW.


It is absurd for Pike to think that his concurrent report is attracting criticism because it is WMVM.  No, Pike, the reasons lie with you and your departure from RWD mainstream behavior.  And Pike, your calling everyone a Puss Wuss was wrong and stupid, and destroyed some sympathy you may have garnered.

In summary, Pike should continue to post his TR.


« Last Edit: December 19, 2008, 04:56:43 PM by Gator »

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2008, 05:01:43 PM »
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the reasons lie with you and your departure from RWD mainstream behavior

The irony is that RWD and bride seeker behavior is a departure from normal mainstream behavior. What's seen here as normal is bizarre to most people.  ;D

But, I agree, calling people names isn't going to garner any sympathy or make any friends.

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2008, 05:08:27 PM »

The irony is that RWD and bride seeker behavior is a departure from normal mainstream behavior. What's seen here as normal is bizarre to most people.  ;D


True, Jooky, regarding bride seeking ( a point that Pike makes again and again).  However, I have always been somewhat of a rebel with regard to mainstream American behavior, finding it at times to be rather tedious.   Hence a crazy new world by marrying an strong-willed alien

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2008, 05:31:13 PM »
23 hours and 35 replies later, I'm still waiting for you, Pike, to continue your report.

And, so it seems, are several others.

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2008, 06:48:45 PM »
Gator, I took your suggestion and did an archive search on Albert.

OMG, this man "ALBERT" is sick and disturbed. I mean he needs professional help.

I had to go take a shower after reading several pages of his "dirty" posts.  :puke:

And yet you continue to read them!?  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Even seeking them out in the archives.  I find YOUR BEHAVIOR very strange.  If you do not like what Pike is writing, don't friggen read his posts any more.  We got it, dude, you do not agree with Pike's actions!  Now stop your crying about and let the man continue his story for those of us that want to read it. :sad:
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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2008, 07:11:32 PM »
I had to go take a shower after reading several pages of his "dirty" posts.  :puke:
Aren't showers usually recommended to dampen sexual excitation, too :o 8) ;D?
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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2008, 07:55:15 PM »
Sandro, "Rim shot please"  and thank you...

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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2008, 06:40:23 PM »
Sandro, "Rim shot please"  and thank you...
Here you are ;D.
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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2021, 01:52:46 PM »
Actually, the loudest and most annoying cheerleader for WOVO was recently banned. He was particularly annoying because it was never a matter of individual preference for him - those who chose WMVM were either too stupid to communicate well or were incapable of "reading" their women through email. Then he would simply overwhelm any arguments with tangential crap or sheer # of posts.

The late great Groove describing Moby getting banned
(one of the first half dozen times).

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Re: WMVM Trip Report - Want to read one?
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2021, 11:59:39 PM »
The late great Groove describing Moby getting banned
(one of the first half dozen times).

That's a good description of what has happened for a decade.
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2021, 12:46:36 AM »

That's a good description of what has happened for a decade.
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