Specific Ukrainian Woman

[BillR]

I have a question about a certain woman that I have contacted.  I am wondering if I am really only writing to an agency person posing as the girl in the photos or maybe she is a professional dater.  I don't want to mention her name unless it is okay to do so on this site.  I am interested in knowing if any other guys here have contacted her and can answer these questions.

[GoodOlBoy]

Hello BillR,

Before you go any further with this woman, you might want to check with "PIKE" or "AMBACH123" first. They may "know" her.

[BillR]

Hello BillR,

Before you go any further with this woman, you might want to check with "PIKE" or "AMBACH123" first. They may "know" her.

How do I contact them?  Through this site?

[Diplomacy]

Good Ole Boy come on man.  One thing to voice an opinion, another to send a new person in the wrong direction.

BillR

Have you done the Anti scammer Table?  Is there something going on that has you concerned? 

[viking]

Do a google on her name. Or address. Or maybe something in her letters that might seem to be pre written. Although time consuming, you can also browse through the photos of some of the scam agencies. Often times scammers will use a different name because they know they have been profiled, but the photo may be there. You do not mention the agency name. That can be a clue as some are much worse than others. Some more info is needed her.

BTW. How could anyone here have contacted a person if we do not know a name? Duh.

[Admin]

I have a question about a certain woman that I have contacted.  I am wondering if I am really only writing to an agency person posing as the girl in the photos or maybe she is a professional dater.  I don't want to mention her name unless it is okay to do so on this site.  I am interested in knowing if any other guys here have contacted her and can answer these questions.

If she is listed at an agency and that is how you came across her profile and information, then I don't see anything wrong with providing a link to that profile and inquiring if anyone here knows anything about her.

- Dan

[kievstar]

What city is she from?  What agency are you using?  That will help.

[BillR]

If she is listed at an agency and that is how you came across her profile and information, then I don't see anything wrong with providing a link to that profile and inquiring if anyone here knows anything about her.

- Dan

Okay.  Here is a link to her profile.  She is from Odessa, and the site, unfortunately, is Hot Russian Brides:

http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/russian-woman-personals/profile-131392.aspx

[BillR]

Sorry for the duplicate post.  Here is her profile:

http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/russian-woman-personals/profile-131392.aspx

[ScottinCrimea]

I'm just curious about what about her profile attracted you other than the photo.

[kievstar]

More than likely she is not seeing your letters as she is Anastasia web girl.  I have an old account there which Anastasia will not cancel.  Since they will not cancel my membership I changed my pictures to Howie Long since I kind of look like him.  I also state that I am gay in my profile and looking for a Russian man who likes broke back mountain and I beat up women for sport and I hate children.  I still get 30 plus letters a day.  Anyways I see she has written me a letter.  So I read it and she wants to meet me.  What is nice about Janetta she is open to meet men up to 65 years old.  She can cook anything and has a dog and cat.  She also tells me she likes sports.  She also wants to travel the World first than have a family.  

Hope you have a big wallet and a visa with blank pages for the countries you are going to visit.  

Just get on a plane and go visit Odessa. She may like you on a blind date or you may find she does not exist.  She looks Czech to me so you may want to join a Czech dating agency to meet her as I doubt she lives in Odessa.  I found her profile in several Czech agencies as well.  Maybe she is a good traveller.

[BillR]

I'm just curious about what about her profile attracted you other than the photo.

I wrote to "her" and "she" responded and we had many conversations.  I began to have some questions because of some things that happened.  That was before I found this site.  I violated one of the commandments :  Don't fall in love with pictures.

[BillR]

More than likely she is not seeing your letters as she is Anastasia web girl.  I have an old account there which Anastasia will not cancel.  Since they will not cancel my membership I changed my pictures to Howie Long since I kind of look like him.  I also state that I am gay in my profile and looking for a Russian man who likes broke back mountain and I beat up women for sport and I hate children.  I still get 30 plus letters a day.  Anyways I see she has written me a letter.  So I read it and she wants to meet me.  What is nice about Janetta she is open to meet men up to 65 years old.  She can cook anything and has a dog and cat.  She also tells me she likes sports.  She also wants to travel the World first than have a family.  

Hope you have a big wallet and a visa with blank pages for the countries you are going to visit.  

Just get on a plane and go visit Odessa. She may like you on a blind date or you may find she does not exist.  She looks Czech to me so you may want to join a Czech dating agency to meet her as I doubt she lives in Odessa.  I found her profile in several Czech agencies as well.  Maybe she is a good traveller.

I saw her pictures on Anastasia also.  She also showed up on Alena Marriage Agency about the same time she said she was leaving HRB.   She has since disabled her account on Alena MA.   I told her I had to slow down my communications with her.  At least the profiles on all three sites say about the same things about her.  I would like to know what Czech agencies you have seen her on.  I am almost convinced that she is either a professional dater making money on these sites, or I am really only talking to someone at the agency posing as her.

[kievstar]

Her picture is everywhere but that does not mean she is a professional dater.  She is very attractive woman and some agencies will steal her pictures.  Just go visit her. 

[Vaughn]

Bill, just curious - does any of the text below appear familiar?

Sent From: ZhannC936

Date Sent: 02/19/07 7:05 AM
Date Read: 03/21/07 1:40 PM
Subject: Do we need each other???
Dear Brad,

Nice to meet you!!! Seeing you at this site and looking through your profile makes me feel that you are here to find your second half... Same for me! First thing I would ask you, is why you decided to look for happiness here, at this site??? I can answer for myself: I am not simply looking for a partner, I am looking for a very special person. I know that my Prince is most kind, gentle, caring, loving, understanding man. I know that my Prince is a real knight! I know that he is the one who would treat me like a Princess, who would prove his love to me every day, every minute, every second... I know that this kind of person is not that easy to find, that's why I thought I should try this site also.
If you think that you are the kind of person I am looking for and if you think I am the one for you, please, write me, cause I need you in my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
Zhanna

[Shadow]

The pictures are professional model pictures (check the careful lighting), bad sign.
She is a 'casino employer', which if true means connections with the local criminal world, bad sign.
According to the profile she does not speak a lot of English, probably 'hello'. This means that letters like the one below are translated (read: written) by the interpreter, bad sign.

Three strikes, she is out.

And I did not even start regarding the agencies she is listed with...
Did you get a money request ?

[BillR]

Bill, just curious - does any of the text below appear familiar?

Sent From: ZhannC936

Date Sent: 02/19/07 7:05 AM
Date Read: 03/21/07 1:40 PM
Subject: Do we need each other???
Dear Brad,

Nice to meet you!!! Seeing you at this site and looking through your profile makes me feel that you are here to find your second half... Same for me! First thing I would ask you, is why you decided to look for happiness here, at this site??? I can answer for myself: I am not simply looking for a partner, I am looking for a very special person. I know that my Prince is most kind, gentle, caring, loving, understanding man. I know that my Prince is a real knight! I know that he is the one who would treat me like a Princess, who would prove his love to me every day, every minute, every second... I know that this kind of person is not that easy to find, that's why I thought I should try this site also.
If you think that you are the kind of person I am looking for and if you think I am the one for you, please, write me, cause I need you in my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sincerely,
Zhanna

Yes.

[kryten41]

BillR,
Please don't take this reply as suggesting she is or is not genuine.

I wouldn't let the fact that she uses the same introductory letter for more than one man dissuade you.  She states in her profile that she knows very little English and that translation will be necessary. It is not uncommon to have an introduction letter translated and to use it for more than one man.  There are dating sites that recommend that men do this, and I see nothing wrong with it.  In my view, this is not a red flag.

[Vaughn]

Kryten,

  The reply I posted was sent in February of 2007 - wouldn't you agree it's high time "she"
freshen it up a bit? It's a standard introductory form letter ending with "I need you in my
lfe" - I mean, c'mon, don't you see the "hook" underneath all the charmingly too-good-to-be-true bait?

   HotRussianBrides is a sucker punch waiting for fools willing to entertain the dream.

[Misha]

In looking at the photos, they seemed more like those for some kind of cheesy model shoot. Also, the girl likes bling  Did you notice all the gold on her fingers in the photo where she is wearing the blue shirt. If she is real (big if IMHO), she would certainly be very high maintenance LOL.

[neo]

I think shes genuine, but in 5 years i have never heard anything good about the Odessa agency HRB uses or a good outcome from a trip report.

Also i just wouldnt go looking for a wife in Odessa, its ukraines answer to Amsterdam or Las Vegas, its a place you go to get away from your wife, not find one.



  

[kryten41]

Vaughn,

The "I need you in my life" quote was "If you think that you are the kind of person I am looking for and if you think I am the one for you, please, write me, cause I need you in my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  I still don't see a red flag based solely on the lady using this in her standard introductory letter.  Personally, I think it is not a good idea to try to start a relationship with a lady who doesn't speak the same language, but that is another issue. 

[BC]

If the looks of this woman are appealing (and they are to me), try Spain.

[Vaughn]

I still don't see a red flag based solely on the lady using this in her standard introductory letter.

     Well, Kryten, we all have our feelings on what's acceptable and what's not. Personally, I see
expressions of "need" attached to profiles of wildly gorgeous single young women on pay sites as
an invitation to waste one's time and treasure. That aside, if I absolutely couldn't argue with my
primal urges, I would secure her home phone - call her - and put my questions of her existence
and availability to rest immediately.

       

     

[BC]

I would secure her home phone - call her - and put my questions of her existence
and availability to rest immediately.

But the woman on the phone will likely not be the one in the picture...

I'll bet this woman is not even in FSU.. Just look at the background of the picture.. the jewellery..