Saturday night disco Kiev

[Shadow]

Dan, how was my reference to Shadow's wife ANY different from his reference to my Anya?  And the answert is Dan, NONE!   Period, none! 

Jack my sincere apologies for making this reference to someone that you have personal feelings towards.
If my comments seemed a bit edgy, attribute it to something personal I do not wish to share at this time.

Now as for the reason I posted this, you have a track record of posting random pictures of women, using as eye candy to remind men of what they might (or hope to) expect when starting out.
A second thing is that I just had a talk with my wife where she recollected her experiences in various larger and small disco's at the time she was about 10-15 years younger. These included finding a dead woman in the toilet (overdose) and a club where all seemed regular until at 24:00 the doors closed and the women present started to strip (excluded my wife and company FYI).

Perhaps to avoid such episodes you could make a better reference next time about the context of the pictures.

[Admin]

[img]Was in Dockers last year.Not the one in the centre but the one in the outskirts (here is photo from it)
Did not see any hookers, maybe I can't tell who is one.I am sure someone will comment that the ones in the photo are hookers.
All I can say it that it was for locals and not for the visitors who fly in to Ukraine expecting to find a pure virgin.
Can't understand GoodOLboy, have you been to Russia and Ukraine?
If yes why did you go there? Because you had a natural attraction to Russian women? Crap
You went there because you thought you are a hotter commodity there then in the country you live in.
You deny it? Fine continue to live in your delusion.
WESTERN MEN GO TO FSU TO TRADE UP, AND THAT IS THE TRUTH.
Now you don't like it said bluntly? fine, delete what I said about a byers market. Lets just say that in Ukraine and in Russia an older but financially well off man can find a younger and prettier wife.
Is that sad? Yes maybe but it is the truth.(Oscar Wild)

Objection - OBJECTION!

Presentation of facts not in evidence!

[How'd I do William?]

Seriously - you may be correct, but you may not.

How about posting a poll that would seek to get at the REAL truth, rather than spouting off tired old babushka tales.

- Dan

[KenC]

Perhaps to avoid such episodes you could make a better reference next time about the context of the pictures.

Shadow,
And maybe, perhaps, you should show a little more discretion on whom you call a prostitute?
KenC

[Shadow]

Shadow,
And maybe, perhaps, you should show a little more discretion on whom you call a prostitute?
KenC

I will in the future choose my words more wisely.

[Mir]

Dan

The problems with such polls are:

1.How to word it in a way that it is unbiased and objective
2.How do you make people tell the truth rather then the image they want to project

I am sure old Babushkas never told any tales about knights in shinning armour from the lands to the west flying into Russia/Ukraine to rescue fair maidens

[Diplomacy]

Dan

The problems with such polls are:

1.How to word it in a way that it is unbiased and objective
2.How do you make people tell the truth rather then the image they want to project

I am sure old Babushkas never told any tales about knights in shinning armour from the lands to the west flying into Russia/Ukraine to rescue fair maidens

Too hard to get the armor through customs and security this day and age. 

[topofthekey]

Western men go to the FSU to trade up?

 I don't really have a trade in right now but yea I'm wanting to trade up. Lots of ways you can trade up... looks... personality.... what you consider mate material. I've dated what I consider to be a beautiful woman right here in the USA but yet still I want to trade up. There is a reason for this. Our society can be so feminized at times boys are treated as they have a mental disorder or handicap in school for just being a boy. I was just trolling another board and read a trip report. A g/f requested to do a guy's ironing, but the guy declined the offer. Being an american he thought he was in a catch 22 situation. Say yes and you are a pig. The woman actually wanted to iron his clothes. There are some very intelligent women here in the USA, but I can verify that I'm not a moron. I'm successful and have a graduate degree. Yet some prissy girl I date who has a degree in making coffee tells me I'm wrong about everything and she's right. So in many areas I'd like to trade up. 

I don't project my issues on everyone else, but I'm certainly not ashamed to admit why I'm into international dating. I am certainly not perfect, but I should be able to do better than prissy coffee girl.

[HiTech]

Topofthekey.

Yet some prissy girl I date who has a degree in making coffee tells me I'm wrong about everything and she's right. So in many areas I'd like to trade up.

While I agree with your overall idea,it appears you have not yet met many FSU woman. In my experience you will be wrong even more with your FSU woman. The difference is she will quite often do it your way the next day, with out admitting you were correct.

You are very correct about the Ironing of the shirt. My wife gets out of bed to turn on the coffie and then returns to bed every morning. 15 mins later she gets out again to fill a cup and then returns again. We then talk for about 30 mins as my brain engages with caffeine.

She is hurt if I turn the coffee on when I use the toilet. She is upset if I open something and put it in the microwave. She is very very upset if I do not take out the garbage.

Dale

[Diplomacy]

Happy New Year Jack!

С новым годом

[topofthekey]

Topofthekey.

While I agree with your overall idea,it appears you have not yet met many FSU woman. In my experience you will be wrong even more with your FSU woman. The difference is she will quite often do it your way the next day, with out admitting you were correct.

Hey Dale,

Well at least they get it right  . Anyways, the Estonian women I met appeared to range in personality quite a bit. I was hanging out with women aged 19 to 24. But I have heard plenty of what you are talking about in trip reports from guys that went to Ukraine and Russia. I think it might be an age thing. It didn't appear to me that the young ladies in Estonia took the I'm always right approach. But hey I'm just starting to meet and greet. Lot of them spoke at least some english too!

[Shadow]

Hey Dale,

Well at least they get it right  . Anyways, the Estonian women I met appeared to range in personality quite a bit. I was hanging out with women aged 19 to 24. But I have heard plenty of what you are talking about in trip reports from guys that went to Ukraine and Russia. I think it might be an age thing. It didn't appear to me that the young ladies in Estonia took the I'm always right approach. But hey I'm just starting to meet and greet. Lot of them spoke at least some english too!

Some day when you meet Mrs Right, you will find you forgot to check her first name... 

[topofthekey]

crap... I have plenty of trouble with names.   

[SilverBUllet]

Back to the photos

Interesting photos, especially the dyev checking if she forgot to wear her panties.

Ah, to be 19 again.  Aren't these kids!?  What is the age group?

Jack went too far posting those photos. Very disrespectful and not the rest of the board chiming in not having any problems with the photos. Why do you care about the age group. Can't you all just grow up? SB

[SilverBUllet]

Hello Ken, again, nice to hear from you.  Seems someone did not like my previous reply.

Ken this is one of today's better Kiev clubs.  These photos are very much typical at what you will see at EVERY current hot disco and club. This is Kiev, THIS IS Ukraine.

Jack, grow up. This is very disrespectful of the ladies. Why not post some photos of yourself from the same disco? Americans have no class. SB

[GoodOlBoy]

Jack, grow up. This is very disrespectful of the ladies. Why not post some photos of yourself from the same disco? Americans have no class. SB

TROLL...... :evil:


GOB

[KenC]

Jack went too far posting those photos. Very disrespectful and not the rest of the board chiming in not having any problems with the photos. Why do you care about the age group. Can't you all just grow up? SB

Oh thank you for setting the moral high ground for the rest of us!   What have you been here for 2 seconds and are already imposing your righteous attitude on the rest of us?  You're the one that needs to grow up, Dude.  Young girls have been shaking their asses for attention since the beginning of time. (And getting it!)   Hello? Mcfly?
KenC

[OlgaH]

TROLL...... :evil:

GOB

Why troll? Because he said that Americans have no class?   

This is very disrespectful of the ladies.

Ladies don't dance on the table demonstrating their underwear 

[SilverBUllet]

KenC, Just waiting for Jack to post some photos of himself from the club camera around his neck. Ok, about the women but one should not post anyone's elses photos in cyberspace like Jack did. That is just low class and poor taste. Nothing to do with morale but privacy. I enjoy having a good time at clubs etc myself, but I don't walk around wide eyed like Jack taking photos of strangers and posting them on the web. I bet Jack didn't talk to any of the ladies, too busy taking photos undercover like a "peeping tom" instead of joining the party. What a waste of time at that disco. SB

[SilverBUllet]

Topofthekey.

While I agree with your overall idea,it appears you have not yet met many FSU woman. In my experience you will be wrong even more with your FSU woman. The difference is she will quite often do it your way the next day, with out admitting you were correct.

You are very correct about the Ironing of the shirt. My wife gets out of bed to turn on the coffie and then returns to bed every morning. 15 mins later she gets out again to fill a cup and then returns again. We then talk for about 30 mins as my brain engages with caffeine.

She is hurt if I turn the coffee on when I use the toilet. She is upset if I open something and put it in the microwave. She is very very upset if I do not take out the garbage.

Dale

Dale, Seriously. Buy your wife a new coffee maker with a built in timer. I have a Kitchen Aid with that feature, cost less than $100  SB

[Mishenka]

Ladies don't dance on the table demonstrating their underwear

I agree OlgaH
I'm curious what the Russian term is for such a girl who flaunts her private parts for all to see? Maybe the two we see in these photo's aren't selling but giving it away? the first one seriously has her flirt on for the guy just inches away. This is not so typical of what I've seen of young RW in clubs across USA whether it be in Philly, Pittsburg, Miami, NYC or San Diego. The many younger FSU girls I have seen are rather shy compared to these in the photo's.

M.

[OlgaH]

Ok, about the women but one should not post anyone's elses photos in cyberspace like Jack did. That is just low class and poor taste. Nothing to do with morale but privacy.

Do you really think that table-dancing-women will be upset about Jack violating their, as Mishenka said, "private parts"? 

[Vaughn]

Nothing to do with morale but privacy.

You meant "morality", right?

I don't walk around wide eyed like Jack....  I bet Jack didn't talk to any of the ladies.... too busy taking photos undercover like a "peeping tom"..... What a waste of time...

SilverBullet, it's clear you don't approve of Jack's posting pictures, but to the point of babbling with
wild speculation? These are party girls in a disco CLUB, not dates from some poke's TR - cannot you
appreciate the glaring difference?

[KenC]

KenC, Just waiting for Jack to post some photos of himself from the club camera around his neck. Ok, about the women but one should not post anyone's elses photos in cyberspace like Jack did. That is just low class and poor taste. Nothing to do with morale but privacy. I enjoy having a good time at clubs etc myself, but I don't walk around wide eyed like Jack taking photos of strangers and posting them on the web. I bet Jack didn't talk to any of the ladies, too busy taking photos undercover like a "peeping tom" instead of joining the party. What a waste of time at that disco. SB

Silver,
Jack has posted many a photo of himself here in the past.  Quite frankly, we prefer the girls.  Most of the membership here are men wondering what it is like over there and Jack shows them through his photos.   You are also wrong about Jack not talking to any of the women in the photos as one of them is his current girlfriend.  (So much for your "peeping Tom" accusation.)  Quit trying to impose your puritanical point of view on others.  You can spend your time at the disco any way you want, same as Jack. 

I have seen much more offensive photos on dating sites posted by the women looking for men.  Jack is our guy in Ukraine reporting back to the membership here.  In spite of your point of view, men go to Ukraine for the women not the sightseeing.  Thanks Jack!
KenC

[OlgaH]

  Most of the membership here are men wondering what it is like over there and Jack shows them through his photos.  
KenC

Agree, his photos are very useful visual aids and helpful in the myths exposing...

SilverBullet,

some photos of Jack or "his" girls (I don't know what you prefer) you can find also in RWD Gallery
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?ind=gallery&op=foto_show&ida=33
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?ind=gallery&op=foto_show&ida=30

[I/O]

What is wrong with a few of Jacks "Come-for-a-trip-with-me-and-this-is-what-you'll-see" photos? If the prudes can't cope with some tits-n-arse then they'd best not go clubbing out in the wild East.

If the remaining photos were all that were originally posted, what's the issue? I have my taste limits but these photos certainly are not offensive. As for privacy, we see more than that posted in the local newspaper in my conservative Bible bashing city each Monday as a summary of the Saturday night entertainment section. I've never seen signatures of permission posted along side of them. If you flash "it" in a night club, someone's bound to be shooting photos, so what?

I/O