Why not Colombian women instead? Why Russian?

[Blues Fairy]

Regarding women being heavy after children - no excuse.  Very easy to lose weight and stay in shape. 

Wow.  How about those who suffer from hormonal imbalance or are simply genetically predisposed to gain weight after children?  Breastfeeding and restrictive diets don't go well together. 

[Ade]

I don't disagree with most of your points but, don't fool yourself into thinking the women are all fat slobs or make-up caked in America either. That too is a myth.

Of course it's a myth but the way most American's seem to go gaga at "all those incredibly beautiful FSUW" it's sometimes hard to believe that they've seen many before. 

SJ, your message was clear enough but your delivery really sucked.

Ah, well now, IMO that's just your opinion isn't it?

[Ade]

Wow.  How about those who suffer from hormonal imbalance or are simply genetically predisposed to gain weight after children?  Breastfeeding and restrictive diets don't go well together. 

I was wondering how long it would take for a woman to call him on that ridiculous statement of his. Seriously, how the hell can any man claim that it's easy to lose weight after pregnancy. 

[kievstar]

Hi Blues Fairy, once women stop having kids not hard to stay in shape.  I would recommend certain tests be done as some foods will cause a person to gain weight.  Eliminate those foods and get on the south beach diet with 1 hour of exercise a day.  Vary the exercises around so the body does not get in a routine.  Also, some exercises do not work for everyone and need to find out what works. I had kids so I weigh more is a poor excuse.  People really want to stay in shape they do.  If people do not, they get heavy.  

Same goes to the men.

[HiTech]

Jaded: I agree with your evaluation , when it comes to raw beauty, I do not see much difference between the FSU and America. But what I do see is the younger women in the FSU presenting themselves much better than in the USA. I believe you are more likely to find a woman under 30, 5 or 10 lbs overweight in the USA vs in the FSU.

When I first started looking at the agency photos all the women looked good, but after a while I could start to see threw the makeup, and see more of what the raw talent was.

And the only makeup my wife will normally use is mascara to make her lashes longer.

HiTech

[kievstar]

SJ, reason I think it is easy as I know many women in Brussels and America who are thin after children.  Why, because they want to be in good shape.  But someone has to want to be in shape.  Of course body changes but people need to adapt. 

Are many women in Ukraine heavy after children, yes they are.  They need to change their habits to be in shape.  Eating potatoes and bread does not help many of them if they have the wrong blood type. Also, not eating 4 times a day can be a problem.  Eating 2 times a day is no good.

[Ade]

SJ, reason I think it is easy as I know many women in Brussels and America who are thin after children.  Why, because they want to be in good shape.  But someone has to want to be in shape.  Of course body changes but people need to adapt. 

Are many women in Ukraine heavy after children, yes they are.  They need to change their habits to be in shape.  Eating potatoes and bread does not help many of them if they have the wrong blood type. Also, not eating 4 times a day can be a problem.  Eating 2 times a day is no good.

I have no issues with the fact that it can be done, at least by those without medical conditions that exacerbate the situation. My problem is that you think it's very easy to lose weight and get in shape again. The physical side is one thing and then there's the new family member to take care of on top of that.

[Simoni]

Dude, it has nothing to do with "cultural bigotry". It's about preference. Personally, I just don't find bleached hair, no eyebrows, several mm of make up and a woman tottering around on 6 inch heels to be attractive.

See, this is another prime example of someone putting words into another's mouth.

I did NOT put words in your mouth.  You are the one who attacked women who are dressing to the standards of their culture when you said:

"What they did usually have "going for them" were tight revealing clothes, long hair, make up and high heels; basically, most looked like they were on their way out to night clubs instead of the shopping they were doing."

Clearly, you attacked FSU women for dressing in "revealing clothes," wearing "make up and high heels" when they went shopping, saying they looked like they were on the way to the night club.

Maybe you are to dense to comprehend your own words?   That dress is the norm in the fsu culture.  Apparently in your culture it is not.  What I'm saying is to NOT judge dress in the fsu according to the norms in your country.

Don't slam women for doing what is normal in their culture.

[Ade]

I did NOT put words in your mouth.  You are the one who attacked women who are dressing to the standards of their culture when you said:

"What they did usually have "going for them" were tight revealing clothes, long hair, make up and high heels; basically, most looked like they were on their way out to night clubs instead of the shopping they were doing."

Clearly, you attacked FSU women for dressing in "revealing clothes," wearing "make up and high heels" when they went shopping, saying they looked like they were on the way to the night club.

Maybe you are to dense to comprehend your own words?   That dress is the norm in the fsu culture.  Apparently in your culture it is not.  What I'm saying is to NOT judge dress in the fsu according to the norms in your country.

Don't slam women for doing what is normal in their culture.

Dude, seriously, climb down off that self righteous mountain you think you are standing on. I know you have a personal gripe with me after those nice PMs of yours but please, try to be rational.

For one thing, a few fashions do not constitute a national dress and voicing an opinion that the fashion is not to one's liking falls a long way short of expressing a dislike for their culture or of them as a people for that matter.

My fiancée is Russian and she doesn't like those silly trends either, are you suggesting that she is "slamming" anything? For what it's worth she's a designer and seamstress and pretty much knows a little more about fashion than either of us. 

Oh, and btw, I actually happen to like revealing clothes but I guess you missed my point originally about men thinking average women are much more beautiful than they are because of the accessories?

[Simoni]

No personal gripes.  Just discussing the reality of your words here.

It is an affront to attack women for the normal dress of their environment, comparing them to "girls going to night clubs."

[Ade]

No personal gripes.  Just discussing the reality of your words here.

It is an affront to attack women for the normal dress of their environment, comparing them to "girls going to night clubs."

Why is it an affront? And I find it bizarre that you consider a personal critique of fashion and style an "attack". And what's wrong with girls going to nightclubs exactly? I only find it bizarre that they dress like that to go shopping for food and to go to work; I find it just as strange that a lot of men seem to like it; just IMO of course.

I've heard that there have been several shows on Russian TV explaining the long term medical problems that women can suffer from wearing those heels everywhere; apparently heel related health problems are becoming quite common. Go figure.

[Simoni]

I only find it bizarre that they dress like that to go shopping for food and to go to work; I find it just as strange that a lot of men seem to like it...

That is my point. It is only bizarre to you because you are not in the culture, and make such statements from your cultural perspective.  Don't judge them from your cultural view.

[groovlstk]

Why is it an affront? And I find it bizarre that you consider a personal critique of fashion and style an "attack". And what's wrong with girls going to nightclubs exactly? I only find it bizarre that they dress like that to go shopping for food and to go to work; I find it just as strange that a lot of men seem to like it; just IMO of course.

I've heard that there have been several shows on Russian TV explaining the long term medical problems that women can suffer from wearing those heels everywhere; apparently heel related health problems are becoming quite common. Go figure.

SJ, I'm guessing you're not a fan of Karina Barbie (WARNING: NSFW)

She's an odd-looking provincial girl who has achieved some kitsch fame (and more notoriety) in Russia.

[Makkin]

Simoni,

  You are gonna hit the "wall" with Jaded because he wants nothing to do with the facts of his writings..lol.

Makkin

[Daveman]

That ole eye of the beholder thing.  I'm pretty much with SJ in the actual points he's made in this thread.  The vast majority of FSU women are rather bland and average -- just like any other country.  They do know how to make the most out of what they have though.  I've never been a big fan of the high heels syndrome really. They do look nice, but tend to really screw up their feet over time (my notorious foot fetish coming out again.. maybe that should simply be a feetish).. and of course after years of high heels... muzhina rigaiyet 

Joking aside, I like ladies dressed up or down, or not dressed at all.  I remember the profile of one lady who stated "I want to walk the city streets in the buff without being arrested".. kewl!  But I digress...

Lots of fabulous bodies in FSU, but really, the beautiful faces are no more common than here in the Southland. If I didn't detest the old hic southern drawl so much, I'd really be living in paradise. More beautiful faces here than anywhere I've been.. though yeah, once a lady hits her 30's here, there is that tendency to carry the extra 10-20 lbs. 

They do appear dressed for the club walking around the supermarket.  That beats the heck outta the local stereotypical aisle cruiser.  But, the ladies I've sought/found in FSU have basically been your typical bluejean gals who like to dress up on occasion, but mostly just dress "nice" but not over the top.  Funny how we tend to find exactly that upon which we focus.   

[Stepford_Wife]

For a laugh I watched Eduard's little movie on his site yesterday, the one where that dude was looking for women. To be quite honest, I thought that most of the "very beautiful" women that were highlighted by Eduard's camera were just average looking girls (most were girls too not women I might add).

What they did usually have "going for them" were tight revealing clothes, long hair, make up and high heels; basically, most looked like they were on their way out to night clubs instead of the shopping they were doing. I think that at least some guys mistake this camouflage for beauty and if those girls were standing there in casual attire without all the preparation and accoutrements they wouldn't be given a second glance.

So true, i agree 110% with you, SJ! I haven't seen many Scandinavian women, but the ones i've seen were stunning, even when wearing simple knee-length dresses, flat sandals and just a bit of a lip-gloss.

I did NOT put words in your mouth.  You are the one who attacked women who are dressing to the standards of their culture when you said:

"What they did usually have "going for them" were tight revealing clothes, long hair, make up and high heels; basically, most looked like they were on their way out to night clubs instead of the shopping they were doing."

That dress is the norm in the fsu culture.  Apparently in your culture it is not.  What I'm saying is to NOT judge dress in the fsu according to the norms in your country.

Don't slam women for doing what is normal in their culture.

Since I am a girl from the FSU culture, i think i have the right to express my opinion about the "fashion" there. I do judge those women and girls, and find them guilty of the crime against common sense and good taste. The verdict: most of them look vulgar and cheap. Extenuating circumstances: they don't realize how cheap and fake those heels and make up look in the grocery store, university, on the bus in the morning etc.
Me and my girlfriends were lucky to be able to travel abroad when we were teenagers, look at the styles in the Western countries, and see that something is really wrong with the way women are trying to look so aggressively  sexy back in the FSU.
And if we don't follow "FSU style" doesn't mean we wear fleece pants, hoodies, flip-flops and absolutely no make-up at all times. We just try to stick to the golden mean. "Classy" is the key word

[OlgaH]

I only find it bizarre that they dress like that to go shopping for food and to go to work; I find it just as strange that a lot of men seem to like it; just IMO of course.

I love high heels, but find it uncomfortable to explore historical places wearing high heels (one day I forgot to take with me my suitcase and  I was "jumping" like a mountain goat   in Castillo de San Marcos in At. St. Augustine when Robert and I went to see the city after mediation), I love to wear the silhouette dresses and even not against skirts above the knees , yeas I use makeup...  But I would agree with you that some women don't know the limit in their self-expression, and don't know the proper place and time for their attire and makeup. IMO some skirts are to short hardly covering buttocks...

And honestly I find such way to dress as below to be bizarre, but it is just my opinion. Do I find it strange that some men like it? No, but our tastes are different.  

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/112/290756501_4043399136.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesheneghan/293883531/in/photostream/

[Simoni]

After three years in the US, my wife is now very comfortable in athletic shoes and jeans, and loves to wear shorts and sandals here in the Florida heat. 

You adjust to your surroundings and the culture, which is what she has done.  But she still loves to dress us up to go out to dinner or to a play, and that's when you see the lovely dresses and high heels.

One thing has not changed; she always does her hair and face before she goes out, even to the grocery store.  That is one cultural difference that I think will not change for her.

[OlgaH]

You adjust to your surroundings and the culture, which is what she has done.  But she still loves to dress us up to go out to dinner or to a play, and that's when you see the lovely dresses and high heels.

One thing has not changed; she always does her hair and face before she goes out, even to the grocery store.  That is one cultural difference that I think will not change for her.

Absolutely agree with your wife 

[Simoni]

Absolutely agree with your wife 

Thanks!  I have seen the lovely "dress-up" pictures of you and Legal.  Looks great 

[Diplomacy]

I like that modesty look we discussed in the thread dedicated to it.  It is a personal preference.  I like a woman that looks classy and elegant.  Acts and talks in a manner, that mirrors the look.

Committed to an active lifestyle and takes care of herself.  

If a woman goes out of her way, to look good in her eyes.  I just leave it at that, she thinks she looks good.  Does that mean I find it attractive?  Who cares?  I have never had some random woman stop me on the street, and ask my opinion.

My fiance always looks good to me, and I know she goes out of her way to look good for me.  I try to do the same.

[OlgaH]

Thanks!  I have seen the lovely "dress-up" pictures of you and Legal.  Looks great 

Thank you Simoni. What I remember when my mom and I were laughing when my grandmother was powdering her nose and using lipstick and making her decision what kerchief to put on (all her short galoshes had the same black color) before going to work or check her garden   but my mother and I did exactly the same things   Oh, one day my mother put on the old grandfather's tracksuit pants to help my grandmother in the garden to dig vegetable patches, my grandmother said her "Don't put shame on me in front of neighbors, go and find to wear something decent "

[Ade]

"Classy" is the key word

Yes, exactly, that one word sums up a lot of what my excessive verbiage has been trying to do; there's class and then there... isn't.

[OlgaH]

People have different understanding of the word classy. 

For example this couple has its own understanding
http://www.break.com/pictures/classy-wedding-dress559920.html

[Ade]

So true, i agree 110% with you, SJ! I haven't seen many Scandinavian women, but the ones i've seen were stunning, even when wearing simple knee-length dresses, flat sandals and just a bit of a lip-gloss.

Of course, it's possible to find women here too that over do just about everything and look incredibly similar to many women I've seen in Russia. Maybe it's even getting more popular.

FWIW, and I have to say this, I've dated average looking women that were more attractive as a whole than far prettier women because of their personality, intelligence and charisma. Sexiness for me is more than what a person looks like, although it certainly helps that I can see them rather than hair and face products.