TR: Barnaul/Tver, Russia

[av8or1]

Boy but some of you go REALLY overboard with your replies, don't you?  I expected it of Olga and GOB, but wow!  OF COURSE my phrase was 100% metaphorical and was indicative of the frustration I feel in the personal attacks on my character that have resulted from my TR.  I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in over 7 years and not even a moving violation in over 11.  I am a peaceful, law obiding citizen.  When I made the foot-in-your-a$$ comment, I directed it to Olga's husband, NOT Olga, who I was under the impression also made posts to this forum using her account.  If I have misunderstood that, I apologize.  However, it was for "hubby", not Olga.  Her comments are so far off base that it amazes me sometimes.  Olga, for the last time, you cannot I REPEAT CANNOT bring up posts from the past and combine them with selected bits of my more recent posts, attack my character with them and then expect any reasonable person to respond to you.  These are quotes that are OUT OF CONTEXT and therefore have no meaning whatsoever, except to provide you with some kind of sense of self-fufillment, which is kinda sick.  Your behavior towards me in this thread has been, in a word, ridiculous.  And rude.  And inconsiderate.  And many other things.  You think you know everything, don't you?  Well you know very little actually and it's obvious to everyone but you.  And perhaps GOB.  As for your attacks on my character, I tell you AGAIN: go back and re-read your posts.  If you cannot find justification for why I am telling you that you have unfairly attacked my character, then I throw my hands up...you're beyond reach of any reason or rationale...

And GOB, yes I was an airline pilot and a hell of a good one.  Being direct and type-A is JUST the type of person you want at the controls buddy, believe me.  Some of the sh*t that goes on in the cockpit, well let's just say it isn't a place for the weak of heart or mind.  I have no doubt that the captain of 1549 is cut from my same cloth.  If you were as abusive to him as you have been to me, well obviously I cannot nor will not speak for him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he'd want to cut you off at your knees just to watch you bleed too... ;-)  Hahaha!  And for the challenged, that is a metaphor also.  I know not why you think that you've only given "a little criticism" ... that I can handle.  The personal attacks that you and Olga et al have made against me are another thing.  What's equally as bad is that you advocate another person simply based on similar philosphies/beliefs/opinions.  You actually told Tatiana to "keep up the good work" for example.  I found this remarkably insane.  You have NO experience with her or her agency, you have NEVER been to Barnaul and therefore you DO NOT KNOW ABOUT WHAT YOU SPEAK.  And yet you profess it like it was gospel or something.  WTF?  Are you kidding?  Do you actually believe that any reasonable person would listen to you after that?  Go there, get the experience AND THEN come back and we'll talk.  Until then, quit making a fool of yourself.

The sentiment expressed by Dan, TwoBit and others is EXACTLY what I am feeling and thinking.  I volunteer my time to write extensive reports and I do it without compaint and for one reason and one reason only: TO HELP OTHERS.  I believe that I help by providing knowledge THAT IS BASED ON EXPERIENCE.  The problem is that others on RWD come along, they have NO EXPERIENCE and yet they attack your position and make disparaging remarks about your character, such as claiming that you "are not serious" and the like.  Such behavior is simply astoundingly unreasonable and idiotic.  You know nothing about me or my intentions.  If you did, you would know that I am very serious.  Your "criticism" is hardly fair, is not based in fact nor is it given with ANY authority because YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE.  I personally find this offensive.  You also speak to me and in regard to my posts with sheer, utter disrespect, as does Olga.  What possesses you, her and others to behave in such a way?  Have I wronged you in another life or something?  Are you really that emotionally defensive of your own positions?  I can understand you not liking men who go to other countries on sex tours, but that IS NOT me.  So why do you extend the same disrespect to me that you would to them?  I cannot understand, nor do I want to, your behavior.  I just hope you do better in the future.

So anyway, this is why I have decided to post in the sans Responses TR section.  I don't mind criticism, so long as it is FAIR, REASONABLE and BASED ON EXPERIENCE.  If you have never met me, don't know me and don't know the women I have met, then YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE AND THEREFORE CANNOT SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT THE SUBJECT.  So if you cannot offer anything along those lines then all you do is clutter what would otherwise be a valuable thread to someone in the future with a bunch of noise, arguments and as someone else called it "a flame war."  Your posts are rude and don't paint you in a very good light.  Try to do better...

Ok enough.  I was hoping that the bad apples would shape up and maybe there's still hope for them, but I won't be missing any sleep over it, that having been said.

I must admit that I had thoughts of going underground after the flames today, accusing me of being susceptible to battering women...hah!  Perhaps those who posted that grovel were saying it tongue-in-cheek and weren't serious, I don't know, but such a notion is completely ludicrous.  As I have already stated, I thought it was the hubby who was posting and I was confronting him as "a man" (that was for you GOB) face-to-face.  I was also expressing a frustration at the crap that has been brought forward in this thread by the lesser element in the RWD membership who have TOO MUCH time on their hands...

Anyway as I was beginning to say, I have received several PMs and personal phone calls from other RWD members who are encouraging me to continue to give TRs and to ignore the BS contingent (GOB, Olga, etc.) because no one regards them with any credibility anyway.  Based on those PMs and phone calls, I will continue to post but only in the sans Responses section.  Hopefully this way the information that I intend to be helpful to those who come along in the future will be more accessible.  It is THIS that I "care about", BTW, I don't like it when others step on my thread, creating 30+ pages of crap that no one is willing to sift through in order to find what they're looking for.  Understand?

And with that, I gotta go.  Work becons...that dang work thing. ;-)

Y'all take care,

Jerry

[GoodOlBoy]

When I made the foot-in-your-a$$ comment, I directed it to Olga's husband, NOT Olga......

Nice try.

I think somebody got a little "scared" and is wimping out now. 


GOB

[GoodOlBoy]

Do you actually believe that any reasonable person would listen to you after that?  Go there, get the experience AND THEN come back and we'll talk.  Until then, quit making a fool of yourself.

AV8or1......Let's do the math together, shall we? 


AV8or1 - Has been to the FSU going on 24 times in 4+ (almost 5) years and NO WIFE/NO FIANCEE.



GoodOlBoy- Went to the FSU 2 times in 2 years and found his beautiful, smart Russian wife the 3rd time. 

BTW...Technically, I met my wife in Greece, but I had been to Russia 2 times before meeting her. 

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AV8or1- Has "fumbled" the ball on the goal line 2 times (2 failed NOA2's).



GoodOlBoy- TOUCHDOWN, first time. 

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AV8or1- Still looking.



GoodOlBoy- Happily married to a very nice RW for almost 4 years now. 


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If that math doesn't add up to your liking, then please check the recent RWD poll concerning trips to FSU before finding your wife:

 http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9015.0


67.7% of our fine RWD members found their wives or K1/K3 Fiancee's in 4 trips or less.

87.1% of our fine RWD members, found their wives or K1/K3 Fiancee's in 9 trips or less.


Get the picture AV8or1?

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Does this mean some Newbies out there should listen to GoodOlBoy's philosophy......NO.

But, on the other hand, I definitely would discourage any Newbies (seriously looking for a Russian Wife) to follow in your footsteps. 


GOB

[OlgaH]

When I made the foot-in-your-a$$ comment, I directed it to Olga's husband, NOT Olga, who I was under the impression also made posts to this forum using her account. 

Jerry, first of all you have quoted me and all you post was directed to me.

I tried not to respond to this, but didn't succeed.  Sorry.

1) I don't care, despite what you may think/are trying to purport
2) I sent you a PM in order to try to forge a better relationship with you and your husband, to mend the fences if you will.  Now if you and or your husband interpreted that PM as "bitter", well what can I do, that's your opinion
3) I didn't address your comments because they're not worth addressing; they are taken out of context and given an arbitrary meaning that has no value other than to support your point of view, which is intolerant of those that differ from yours.  So if you really have nothing else to do with your life, and it appears that way, keep on digging...
4) If the hubby actually thinks that he hasn't attacked my character then he doesn't read his own posts; I won't bother to quote them, there are too many
5) Quit talking about me "crying", I'm doing nothing of the sort.  I'd prefer to see how far I can stick my foot up your a$$, but then that'd mean that I care about what you have to say and it wouldn't be worth Crazy Bear having to haul me off to jail......  hahaha!

Jerry

Second, show any post of my husband where he made any attack on you.

Olga, for the last time, you cannot I REPEAT CANNOT bring up posts from the past and combine them with selected bits of my more recent posts, attack my character with them and then expect any reasonable person to respond to you.  These are quotes that are OUT OF CONTEXT and therefore have no meaning whatsoever, except to provide you with some kind of sense of self-fufillment, which is kinda sick.  Your behavior towards me in this thread has been, in a word, ridiculous.  And rude.  And inconsiderate.  And many other things.

Yes, I can go back and to read all your previous diaries. And I did it to understand your position, thoughts and your character.

As Admin wrote

 We are NEVER going to be a support group offering blanket acceptance of all comers. It just is not in the RWD DNA. However, I will continue to lobby for more civil methods of addressing differences.


- Dan

Sorry, Jerry, if I did not give you any blanket acceptance, but some of my probably critical notices, and unlike you I gave it in very polite manner without any rudeness . You still cannot show any of my personal insults or attacks on you.  

 
 You think you know everything, don't you?  Well you know very little actually and it's obvious to everyone but you.  And perhaps GOB.  As for your attacks on my character, I tell you AGAIN: go back and re-read your posts.  If you cannot find justification for why I am telling you that you have unfairly attacked my character, then I throw my hands up...you're beyond reach of any reason or rationale...

I know what I know from your posts. As a person who has been living in Russia and also was involved in International dating and as a woman who is married to an American man  I can make my own conclusions based on your posting. Your ego cannot take some of my comments regarding your dating and just pushes you more and more on the level of personal insults. And now you try to give all your excuse for your behavior trying to accuse and  put down me and my husband.

After reading your trip reports I  made my comment

I don't think it is just about his methodology and luck, but most likely about him.
 

With your last posts you helped me figure out this "something about you". It is your ill self-esteem and ego that doesn't let you to take my comments and trough your insults towards me and my husband you showed not your frustration, but your true hidden nature that finally showed up. I will not be surprised if you spoke in the same manner with ladies whom you dated and who finally refused you.

Yes, there are people who try and will try to justify your "frustration", but those people are on the same level where is your nature is, and they will not understand what is wrong with your metaphor that is simply is your rudeness.

[Admin]

Jerry, first of all you have quoted me and all you post was directed to me.

Olga - please refer to this post -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8953.msg170816#msg170816.

Note particularly the opening comment.

Now - how about you, and everyone else, working to diffuse matters rather than continue to escalate?

Is that possible?

- Dan

[OlgaH]

Olga - please refer to this post -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8953.msg170816#msg170816.

Note particularly the opening comment.

And I referred to that post  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8953.msg168110#msg168110

Now - how about you, and everyone else, working to diffuse matters rather than continue to escalate?

Is that possible?

- Dan

Possible, but I would like to ask you and some other guys: what you would do if a guy threw in face of your wife/lady - "I'd prefer to see how far I can stick my foot up your a$$" because she has a different opinion than his

[Diplomacy]

Legal I would be furious.  I assume it is you posting this time?  I think that is the side you took it as.  The issue is that Olga was talked about in 3rd person.  Mind you she could have done that also. 

I am pretty sure Jerry. was directing it at you.  Still I would not be happy, and see where you would be as mad as a hornet also.

Olgah thought is was directed at her.  I would question your temper getting to the point to type it.  Keeping your head when everyone is losing theirs, is a very hard quality to achieve.  I used to get boys fouled out of the game all day long in retaliation fouls.  Some of it is provoked on both sides.

I think Jerry is telling his side of the story.  It would be extremely frustrating to me, if I was in his shoes.  Not the advice and comments.  Just the fact he has been through what he has.  If it was me, I would be over thinking everything.  Trying to look at myself, selection, method, and whether this is a good idea for me. 

 I can not tell where we get all caught up.  Nobody has anything to gain at this point, and let it rest.

It is not constructive, and needs to just end. 

[OlgaH]

Olgah thought is was directed at her. 

Diplomacy, avi8tor quoted me and his post was addressing to my quote, not to Legal's.

Honestly, if he would said me his metaphor not hiding behind the screen but right in my face, he would get a slap in his face from me, he would get it even if his metaphor would be directed to my husband.

[LEGAL]

Legal I would be furious.  I assume it is you posting this time?  I think that is the side you took it as.  The issue is that Olga was talked about in 3rd person.  Mind you she could have done that also. 
 

Diplomacy Thank you for your understanding and no sir I have not posted as Olga nor will I. There has been times where I forgot to change accounts but I always have signed LEGAL . I will commend Olga on how well she articulates and her use of the English language. Some of the men here underestimate just how intelligent these woman are.

I am pretty sure Jerry. was directing it at you.  Still I would not be happy, and see where you would be as mad as a hornet also.

 

 How could Jerry direct anything at me, I have not had any conversation with him.

Thanking you all in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter. If I can be of any further service please don't hesitate to contact me.


LEGAL

[av8or1]

Nice try.

I think somebody got a little "scared" and is wimping out now. 


GOB

GOB are you delusional?  Scared of what exactly?  Do I strike you as the type to be scared?  Eh, whatever.  I DID think it was her husband who was commenting to me and that was/is apparently my mistake.  I have apologized for that, I made a mistake.  Of course y'all don't give any credit for such action.  You on the other hand haven't apologized for anything, probably because you don't believe you've done anything wrong, especially Olga.  Wow, amazing.  When you state in your posts that I am "not serious", that IS AN ATTACK ON MY CHARACTER.  GET A CLUE!  Both of you have done this, therefore both of you have attacked my character, yet you refuse to own up to it.  You don't know me and you certainly don't know my mind....sheesh.

And as for your comparison between your history and mine, I would say that you got lucky whereas I haven't been so lucky.  And that is the difference.  However, you seem to want to continue to purport that there MUST be something wrong with me because of my high number of trips to the FSU.  I mean, you seem to be so caught up in the numbers ... what's your story anyway?  Where does this angst for me come from?  You haven't answered that question.  Is it simply because I've been there so many times that you think I'm really just making a lot of sex tours?  And why do you bring up my two "failed" I129F petitions?  Both were approved, though the second one took considerably longer.  That means that I don't have any sort of criminal history as to preclude approval.  Again, you seem to be very caught up in the numbers, so much so that you can't see the bigger picture.  Sometimes things happen that we can't control.  I've done well when it comes to these things that have happened to me.  Any guy who has been to the FSU could learn from my experiences, which is why I continue to post here, despite the flack I get from you, Olga and the like.  Why do you say that I have "fumbled on the goaline" twice?

In other words, why is it that when things break up, some of you want to blame the person who was dumped and say "there must be something wrong with them" rather than to look at the person who did the dumping and wonder why they took such action?  I was a loyal, faithful and devoted man to those women, both times.  I went to see them on multiple occasions (thus giving me a greater overall total GOB than 9, so sue me!  What can I do about it?  Lie?  Ain't gonna happen...) and called them regularly to keep us in touch.  I filed the documents.  By myself, which was a lot of effort.  What more can a man do?  And yet people like you and Olga still want to look for fault in me?  What the hell?  I don't get it......eh whatever.

Your rants and raves make less and less sense each time you post.  Just because you got lucky early on in your search doesn't make you any better than anyone else.  Why must you adopt this position of negativity towards someone who hasn't been so lucky as you?  I'm still trying, still in there fighting...shouldn't that be a POSITIVE thing?  You'd think so, I mean I haven't given up despite some pretty BAD things that have been done to me; but boy, some of you bad apples just can't circle your wagons in positive support of someone no matter what evidence you are confronted with...

I dunno Dan.  Maybe you should lock this thread down...

Jerry

[Diplomacy]

My bad on thinking it was you legal.  I stand corrected.  Olgah's English is great, that causes the false sense of security I warn about.  Looks like I got it on both sides.

[av8or1]

Diplomacy, avi8tor quoted me and his post was addressing to my quote, not to Legal's.

Honestly, if he would said me his metaphor not hiding behind the screen but right in my face, he would get a slap in his face from me, he would get it even if his metaphor would be directed to my husband.

Ah-hah!  So you would slap a man, would you?  What happened to the calm, collected Olga, the all-wise and knowing Olga?  Perhaps you have physical abuse issues too? ;-)

And I'm gonna lose sleep at night worrying about you attempting to slap me Olga.  Yeah, that's it.  Bwahahaha!  Sheesh.

[OlgaH]

Ah-hah!  So you would slap a man, would you?  What happened to the calm, collected Olga, the all-wise and knowing Olga?  Perhaps you have physical abuse issues too? ;-)

Yes, Jerry, I would give you a good slap for your  metaphor "I'd prefer to see how far I can stick my foot up your a$$", in Russia women call it пощечина that is usually intended for rude men for their impudence towards women. If you can not get it so any country of the FSU is not for you.

And if you spoke with your ex fiancee Olga in the same manner as you do with me no wonder why she got cold feet.

Now you accuse me having physical abuse issues? You can continue and we will see what else you are capable of 

[Admin]

I dunno Dan.  Maybe you should lock this thread down...

Jerry

Agreed.

Locked.

- Dan