Realities of FSUW

[Sculpto]

Interesting point about the subject. Faith healers, witches, voodoo practitioners, etc. always enjoy the "out" of claiming the victim's faith simply wasn't strong enough or that it was the "Lord's (or whoever's) Will," while the occasional recovery can be claimed as "proof" of their miraculous powers. For those who believe in these powers, I wish you well and hope your dreams work out for you. My individual belief is that while the Lord has powers to heal, he rarely feels it necessary to delegate his powers.

Then again, the Lord works in mysterious ways and who knows what miracles he may bring about?

As I said, Don F was none of the above.  he learned from his father and taught his son.  He once sent me to the coast to obtain a live plant.. quinina he called it.. to use for someone who had contracted malaria

[ECOCKS]

Yeah, quinine. Well known as a treatment for malaria for a century or two. Still used from time to time, especially by herbalists without access to prescription drugs. Not surprising that it is still a goto drug in many areas of the world.

[Gator]

What the hell Gator.. it is a very serious question. 

My "juvenile" comment has two explanations.  First, a man would have no reservations about raising the subject with his woman and progressing from there or backing off.  If the two respect each other, nothing is taboo to discuss.  So, why do you need "permission" from RW members?  You sound like the pimple-faced, circle-jerk boys as aptly described by Faux Pas.

Second, my propriety alarm bell went off with the word "fetish." To me the term connotes unconventional if not abnormal behavior.  Perhaps not to you, but to me and to the publishers of definitions.  I simply did not like some of the directions this could take.  Glad to know the thread has moved to herbal medicine.

I woul dlike opinions from WOMEN.  

As I seriously suggested, open a new thread in "Ask RW."  Even there more men than women will answer.  Get used to it.

Did you get a sex change since yesterday?

Maybe my fetish is to be a drag queen.    Big Boy, you sound a little uptight and in need of Big Mama Gator's specials!

[Sculpto]

 You sound like the pimple-faced, circle-jerk boys as aptly described by Faux Pas.

cant stop with the personal attacks.  You and Faux and whoever else made a lot of assumptions in your responses.  Nice work.

I had hoped to stimulate an interesting and not always easy discussion of a very relevant topic and you guys once again turned it into a locker room brawl.. but whatever.. I am over it.
 

Maybe my fetish is to be a drag queen.    Big Boy, you sound a little uptight and in need of Big Mama Gator's specials!

just to lighten things up... many moons ago on a cross country journey I found myself at the Kentucky Horse Park campgrounds outside of Lexington over the Memorial Day Weekend.  There were two tents set up... in one.. traditional square dancing.. in the other.. all the nice Fathers were staging a drag contest.. it was beyond funny..

[acrzybear]

Probably I got it from him sharing a joint.. we had seperate bathrooms and didn't eat together.  He got it at some primitive beach probably from a contaminated fish.

I'm not an MD, but in my profession I've had a few classes on infectious diseases and from what I remember Hep A can be transferred through water, unprotected sex, shellfish, and possibly through the use of needles, I don't remember "joint" as a means?  :noidea:

  I guess I should have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, then I would have known.

[Sculpto]

I'm not an MD, but in my profession I've had a few classes on infectious diseases and from what I remember Hep A can be transferred through water, unprotected sex, shellfish, and possibly through the use of needles, I don't remember "joint" as a means?  :noidea:

  I guess I should have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, then I would have known.

LOL.. a little bit of spit on the end of the doobie.. we didn't know he was sick.. his symptoms didn't appear for a week or two later.. I didn't get sick until 3 weeks after that when i was in the middle of the jungle.  It was a pretty terrible experience.. riding on the jam packed old bus with wooden seat and chickens on the mud road from tikal to belize city in 90 degree heat.. not recommended..

[JR]

True, many Russian (perhaps a majority) are obsessed with status.

My Exwife sure was.

[ScottinCrimea]

It seems every time I look at this thread I am 7-8 pages behind.  Usually I try to catch up, but today I just jumped to the most recent posts.  I find that the concepts expressed here about the causes and treatments of acne are simply ludicrous.  The Hep A discussion has so many misconceptions that I don't know where to begin. My perception of the use and prevalence of drugs in Ukraine varies considerably from those who have merely visited yet claim to be experts....

To ensure brevity and boring medical facts, I will only address the issue of druig use in Ukraine, from my own personal experience as a resident.  Marijuana use is much less than in the US and is viewed much more negatively.  We have some friends who live in Turkey who would occasionally come to visit. The husband is Turkish and the wife is Ukrainian.  They enjoy the occasional social joint and are fairly frequent E users.  With a few calls they could obtain some marijuana, but the quality was nothing similar to in the US,  As far as ecstasy, it was easier for them to smuggle it in from Turkey than to try to obtain it in Ukraine.  We had straight from the mouth of a Ukrainian police captain that it was available in any of the local night clubs. The difficulty was in finding exactly who was dealing and who was in the employ of the local malitzia, willing to squeal on the foreigner looking for a fix in exchange for immunity.  When they made an active effort to secure some, they hit only dead ends.  The penalties for dealing are so harsh that they couldn't find anyone willing to take the risk.


There are a significant number of drug addicts in Ukraine, but these are primarily opiates such as heroin and hashish.  Cocaine is practically nonexistent.  Speed is available but quality is debatable and not so prevalent.

The real drugs of cboice among the "normal population" are #1 alcohol, #2 marijuana ( way down the list) and number 3 "E".

If you are dating a woman older than 25 years old, her exposure to anything other than vodka will be minimal (at least if she is someone you really want a long term relationship with) but she will be generally open to try new things, as the negative propaganda against other substances (meaning not IV use) will not be as strong as in the US.

[Zhena]

Zhena - based on the "professional" remarks you are making here -  I am happy you aren't my doctor, and hopefully never will be. Doctor has to have a little more than self-confidence and telling to a person she never saw (even a photo), nor did any tests "she has acne, it is from hormones, it will go away in several years". I presume you aren't psychic.
My advice to cut down on beer would definitely not cause any harm to "A", and possibly will result in slight improvement of her skin (or general health).
Your argument which you started purely out of medical arrogance may be in fact harmful for "A" because now if she or Sculpto reads it - she has a justification for drinking "Dermatologist Zhena told me I can drink beer and it will help the condition of my skin".

Dear Mies,
I dotn ask you to be my patient. There are many people who are my patients and still seeking for my advice,because I helped them or their relatives. And of course,I am more competent than you are in this case,so please dont post the articles of unknown authors. I can google thousands for you,and many will contradict with each other. I have something precious-my experience and my talent,and a true passion for my profession.  A good specialist can tell you the diagnosis just by one look or even by description,just cos he saw thousands of patients.Then,of course,he should confirm it by lab tests.
By the way,most of skin diseases still have unknown cause. This is for your information.
So dont try to oversmart somebody if you dont know what are you talking about. It is an argument for a sake of an argument. What I dont like in women in the men forums-they are usually bitchy to each other for no reason. Ill let you to star in this topic,cos I wont write here anymore-I feel stupid by arguing with stupid,sorry.
bye-bye,dont have the skin problems

[mies]

bye-bye,dont have the skin problems

same to you darling.

btw - do you feel stupid or do you feel bitchy or both? just curious.

p.s. Sculpto never gave description of his girlfriend's skin. He only mentioned her age.

[Zhena]

PS-yes,he gave. see,you even dont read carefully,and then trying to argue,gosh. good luck,home-raised doctor.

[mies]

PS-yes,he gave. see,you even dont read carefully,and then trying to argue,gosh. good luck,home-raised doctor.

and how do you know what is my education and profession?  Same way as you identify health conditions via internet? Good to be feeling superior, huh? 

I do not offer distance-diagnostics unlike 'some' people. With your passion and talents you can open a virtual clinic. I'm sure you will have many clients. And I am giving you this wonderful business idea for free 

[Zhena]

Sorry but I do not believe in ancient mystical lores or miraculous healings... Nor do I belive in cures to viral infections through herbs and incantations. While no one denies traditional herbal medicine or massage, etc. - the examples of the ancient skills are usually not in this modest area of stopping blood, easing dermatitis or curing diarrhea. And when I hear that someone cures hepatitis, HIV, cancer, etc. I do not feel piety but a strong desire to call for police.

Well,cant ignore this and have to say,that,bein absolutely traditional doc,I accept that there is many things we dont know,especially about the complicated machine called human organism. There are the cases of cancer of 4stage miracilously disapperaring,and HIV also...and nobody knows why. By the way there is still discussion open about is HIV and AIDS actually exist or not. There are many  arguments. And last but not least,I ve witnessed myself the power of psychic.It is able to make a miracle.
So,I just know that I actually dont know anything

[Zhena]

and how do you know what is my education and profession?  Same way as you identify health conditions via internet? Good to be feeling superior, huh? 

I do not offer distance-diagnostics unlike 'some' people. With your passion and talents you can open a virtual clinic. I'm sure you will have many clients. And I am giving you this wonderful business idea for free 

yes,thanks,u re business genius.
i never enjoying to feel superior,but just the people who argue about that what they dont know,really surprise me. i dont know ur profession,but for sure its far from medicine,judging by ur posts. sorry. i never start discussion about the mathematics,for example,cos i know that i am bad in that.

[Mir]

LOL.. a little bit of spit on the end of the doobie

Hep A typically spreads through the fecal-oral rout.
Lots of viruses are present in the infected person's crap and if another person ingests some of it (? a fetish) he gets infected.
Normally this will happen in poor hygienic conditions where water supply is contaminated with sewrage, so the high prevalence in India, Bangladesh etc.
Transmission through saliva has not been documented.

[Shadow]

Sorry but I do not believe in ancient mystical lores or miraculous healings... Nor do I belive in cures to viral infections through herbs and incantations. While no one denies traditional herbal medicine or massage, etc. - the examples of the ancient skills are usually not in this modest area of stopping blood, easing dermatitis or curing diarrhea. And when I hear that someone cures hepatitis, HIV, cancer, etc. I do not feel piety but a strong desire to call for police.

Many modern medicines are made by finding out the working substance in herbals and other traditional cures.
While in this field there are many who are less than honest and sell nothing but the 'placebo effect', there are some who actually have knowledge in easing the symptoms.
In many cases making quality of life better by fighting the symptoms is more appreciated then finding a cure that will kill other vital parts.

[Wienerin]

Well,cant ignore this and have to say,that,bein absolutely traditional doc,I accept that there is many things we dont know,especially about the complicated machine called human organism. There are the cases of cancer of 4stage miracilously disapperaring,and HIV also...and nobody knows why. By the way there is still discussion open about is HIV and AIDS actually exist or not. There are many  arguments. And last but not least,I ve witnessed myself the power of psychic.It is able to make a miracle.
So,I just know that I actually dont know anything

It's  nice that you speak for yourself. Then, - I have yet to meet a "traditional doctor" who is sure that he knows everything there's to know about human body and it's functioning.

On the other hand, I ahve yeat to meet or read about a single doctor worth his salt or a single proven case of stage 4 (or even less severe) CA or HIV at an advanced stage disappearing. REAL CA and REAL HIV - do not disappear, though years in remission arten't unknown.

What's very sad is that these high tales serve to drive people to these medicine men and their herb teas, etc. - when something might have been done for them in a conventional way.

Also I don't understand why all this hullabaloo? I've written - and not once that nobody disputes that ancient remedies help, mostly in routine and uncomplicated cases though. But they do, there's no mystique in it, many people use them, many of the things are sold over the counter in common supermarkets and drugstors - pills, extracts, herbal teas, etc.

Is it dangerous to use these remedies? Yes and no. Yes because similar symptoms can stem from very different conditions, and what'll help one will aggravate the other and in extreme cases may even kill (or kill when the needed professional help is denied for too long). Very simple example - mouthwashes or gargling with calendula or sage can make even severe toothache go away. ... until next time. Is your tooth "cured"? Not at all - just that the inflammation is reduced and there's no pain...

Further - no herbs can cure systemic body failure which hepatitis B&C, HIV/AIDS, cancer and even "common" flu are. At the most herbs can deal with some symptoms - nausea, pain, swelling, inflammation, diarrhea, running nose, headache, coughing, skin eruptions, etc., etc. But cure? Heck, no! There's no way and even a miracle available to regrow, say, cyrrhotic liver cells or an organ eaten by cancer.

If there were anything like this out there - don't you think there would've been clinics and sufferers standing in line all over? Do you think so badly of all these healers that they wouldn't reach out to the sufferers, but continue to hide in obscure hamlets with the appointments harder to come by than to the Pope? And yes, I haven't seen yet - and I've seen a lot, - an ancient herbal which didn't have some mystic/magic element in it. And the practicioners all as one adhere to the complete ritual religiously. "It wouldn't work otherwise"...

[groovlstk]

By the way there is still discussion open about is HIV and AIDS actually exist or not. There are many  arguments.

Yes, plenty of discussion by crackpots and morons who embrace conspiracy theories, not by rational scientists.

[Sculpto]

Marijuana use is much less than in the US and is viewed much more negatively. 

I agree that it is probaly less common, but, I think the view of it varies quitea bit generationaly.  If you read the hightimes and cannibusculture articles they claim almost everyone under a certain age has at least tried it.  My experiences confirm that.  But, given the cost and availability usage is nothing like it is here in California.

When they made an active effort to secure some, they hit only dead ends.  The penalties for dealing are so harsh that they couldn't find anyone willing to take the risk.

LOL.. actively seeking is the problem.. such things just come to you when least expect it.  I guarantee you I could "score" within minutes in any nightclub in the FSU.

opiates such as heroin and hashish. 

Hash is not an opiate Doctor.  It is the resinous secretion of the cannabis plant that is gathered but rubbing the plants with silk.. the resin is scraped off the silk and packed into cakes.  I have seen the statistics on heroin junkies and remain surprised by the prevalance because I didn't see them on the street.  Heroin junkies unless they are functional junkies are usually very obvious. 

The real drugs of cboice among the "normal population" are #1 alcohol, #2 marijuana ( way down the list) and number 3 "E".

Agree

[Sculpto]

Hep A typically spreads through the fecal-oral rout.
Lots of viruses are present in the infected person's crap and if another person ingests some of it (? a fetish) he gets infected.
Normally this will happen in poor hygienic conditions where water supply is contaminated with sewrage, so the high prevalence in India, Bangladesh etc.
Transmission through saliva has not been documented.

then I have no idea how I got infected.I certainly DID NOT toss his salad.  Common knowledge in Mexico, accurate or not, is Hep can be spread even by breathing the same air.

[Sculpto]

And yes, I haven't seen yet - and I've seen a lot, - an ancient herbal which didn't have some mystic/magic element in it. And the practicioners all as one adhere to the complete ritual religiously. "It wouldn't work otherwise"...

I forgot you are an expert in everything and have seen every variation of every cultural and scientific phenomena in the world. 

But you are pointing out something very interesting to me.  That is the easily observable tendency for FSUWs to be so absolutely sure in every single thing to the point of arrogance and narrow minded perspectives.  This is somethign that worries me a lot as there are many mysteries and unexplained phenomena that are often beautiful and life changing that I am sure Wienerin would not only discount but not even be willing to view.  Actually, I am not sure it is limited to the ladies..

Why is that?  Why is there such a narrow minded practically close minded attitude?  Anyone interested in commenting on that?

[Ade]

Why is that?  Why is there such a narrow minded practically close minded attitude?  Anyone interested in commenting on that?

Maybe you should re-evaluate what you think of as open and close mindedness;    

[Wienerin]

I am happy to observe "phenomena" - I'm NOT happy with every anture-child, puffy, balding and iondulging in drink, drugs, etc. - spouting about eternal mysteries and other New Age BS. Did you notice that I do not argue with you? because it's useless< I've met tons of the likes of you. You know nothing, you care nothing of knowledge, you're not interested in science and hard facts, - you call it narrow-mindedness. As long as it's your own rather narrow circle, I don't care.

As tp my knowing everything... well. to know more than you and your crowd do isn't such a big achievement

[ECOCKS]

It is a joke among the expats that everything is either impossible or must be a certain way to the Ukrainians.

Things are stated as absolutes from within that narrow world they live in.

I see/saw this all around me at every level.

While the individual anecdotes can be said to be heard around the world, the sheer prevalence of them (and their lack of factual accuracy) is incredible.

[Sculpto]

I am happy to observe "phenomena" - I'm NOT happy with every anture-child, puffy, balding and iondulging in drink, drugs, etc. - spouting about eternal mysteries and other New Age BS. Did you notice that I do not argue with you? because it's useless< I've met tons of the likes of you. You know nothing, you care nothing of knowledge, you're not interested in science and hard facts, - you call it narrow-mindedness. As long as it's your own rather narrow circle, I don't care.

As tp my knowing everything... well. to know more than you and your crowd do isn't such a big achievement

MIRROR <--------- look in that.