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Offline Sculpto

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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #175 on: June 30, 2009, 01:38:20 PM »
Sculpto,

I must say that your efforts around here to expose the nature and modus operandi of these kind of sites is a great addition to the forum.  Of course many "guests" remain hidden, and if they become an active member would not admit to having been taken in by HRB...

I think you have already and will continue to help guys see the reality of the situation... you're not going to get a great deal of feedback... but I am sure your efforts are appreciated. At least by me.  Thanks.

Thanks Dave.  I wasted two years of my life and a lot of money chasing something that never existed.  When I first started I had some correspondence with the famous Jim and his hyperbole and negativity to my simple questions invalidated everything on his site, so, I felt like I was on my own.  Unfortunately I didn't find the forums until I started really doubting what was happening.  I hope I can help other guys avoid the same mistakes, though, I suspect most of the time, like myself, guys don't really start questioning things until they are already hooked and at that point it is a lot harder to break the addiction, and that really is what it is.  Especially in the case of HRB.. if you start to have doubts and call CS Nadia is amazingly persuasive.. she has a soft voice and a sing song accent.. she could sell ice to and Eskimo in the middle of winter.  If i told you guys how I found out a lot of the BS, besides my friend from Odessa and one terp, you would be really shocked.  What i will say.. is there are a lot of ladies who USED to be members of HRB that can be found elsewhere on the internet and a lot of them are pissed off also.  You can replace HRB with AWEB, AOB, 1stI and tons of others.. it all boils down to the Ukrainian Marriage Agency Association.. or whatever it is actually called.  I am sure the same kind of org exists in Russia and that is where the scam really starts.  It would be really cool if "we" could manage to infiltrate that organization, though, I think it would probably be very dangerous.

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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #176 on: June 30, 2009, 09:08:14 PM »
Gator,

nice try. if you have read my posts in this thread you already know that i have addressed this. not taking the bait.

btw, it seems you didn't want to respond to any of my questions in my last post to you. i wonder why.

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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #177 on: June 30, 2009, 09:13:00 PM »
the information that i got from a girl at hrb must be inaccurate, unhelpful, and uninteresting because i got it from hrb. or, she was just gaming you for your money so the information must be uninteresting or inaccurate. it has to be tainted.

gimme a break. isn't it obvious to you how dumb this sounds? when you pay money for your copy of harry potter, do you consider it tainted or assume it isn't interesting because it cost money? or is their a real relationship between spending money for something and getting a good product?

i find it really interesting that Taz gets criticized for being overly absolute in his posts even though he went out of his way to put all the usual boiler-plate into his posts indicating that he is not being absolute.

but at the same time others can be completely absolute with statements regarding hrb. does anyone here actually believe that each and ever 'girl' at hrb has exactly identical motives? is it even possible that that many people can be that monolithic? logic tells me that when you are talking about a significant number of people, it is very unlikely that they all could have identical motives. even if you were to hire people based on isolating one and only one motive for every one of your hires, how do you insure that this is what you will eventually get from them every time they communicate with someone? Hire only the poorest girls in every village in the fsu? even when we know that there is a significant proportion of fsuw that want to marry a foreign man, somehow, at hrb, they are all just doing it only for the money. really?

relationships couldn't have anything to do with it? then how do you explain 'neo' and the fact that he married a girl from hrb? someone want to explain that?

Neo even thought that ‘Zhanna’ was genuine (reply #20 under ‘Specific Ukrainian Woman’ under ‘Starting Out’) while most everyone else here seems to have decided that this couldn’t be true. I guess neo has to be wrong.

i saw into the suspicious nature of hrb within a few minutes of using it. the photography that we see examples of there is a clear tip-off that it isn't completely honest. it's like the same photographer does all of the photo work. Anyone can figure that out. i take it for granted that the owners/operators of hrb are perfectly corrupt. but i don't think it is accurate to assume that each and every one of the 'girls' is corrupt to the same degree.

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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #178 on: June 30, 2009, 09:26:30 PM »
Come on guys. You/we warned him of the dangers, he said he doesn't care about them since he got good information. He's learning the ropes. He won't be the first or the last to explore the odds.

You're all just running in circles now.
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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #179 on: July 01, 2009, 02:52:35 PM »


Neo even thought that ‘Zhanna’ was genuine (reply #20 under ‘Specific Ukrainian Woman’ under ‘Starting Out’) while most everyone else here seems to have decided that this couldn’t be true. I guess neo has to be wrong.


Who th heck is Neo?  Why hasn't Neo come back to defend or illuminate his posts?  Until he does I think his commentary is nothing more than BS.  As far as Zhanna.. dude..get a grip on reality!  She is a member of the Orchid agency.. they are scammers plain and simple.. the girls ARE IN ON IT.  They put ads in the Odessa newspapers offering girls the chance to work with Americans.  They also recruit girls to work on porn cams.  They operate under the guise of being a "christian" agency specifically because they believe it will disarm stupid men.  Zhanna is one of the prototype girls in the scam.

You are defending something that is not worth defending.  Sure, there might be an occasional girl on that site who starts out with serious intent.. but it doesn't last for long.. once they realize the other girls in their agency offices are scamming and they get a dozen sexual proposals and requests to take their tops off for every one decent guy.  The place sucks.

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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #180 on: July 01, 2009, 02:53:51 PM »
Come on guys. You/we warned him of the dangers, he said he doesn't care about them since he got good information. He's learning the ropes. He won't be the first or the last to explore the odds.

You're all just running in circles now.

Maybe you are right... and the truth is I wasn't willing to listen two years ago.. I had to get hit over the head to learn my lesson.

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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #181 on: July 03, 2009, 01:10:48 PM »
Sculpto:

i am not the one saying Zhanna is/was genuine. neo said it. he also says he married someone using hrb. you can look him up. he is a member here. last time i checked he hadn't posted anything in a few months.

one another item business: you suggested that hrb has sued some of their users. do you know on what "grounds" they sued? do you know how these cases were adjudicated? who won and who lost?

i am really very curious about this.


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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #182 on: July 03, 2009, 01:13:24 PM »
fwiw:

i plan to use 'bride.ru', 'cuteonly', and maybe EM for communicating with rw in the future.

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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #183 on: July 03, 2009, 01:28:30 PM »
if neo wants to respond he will.  Can anyone confirm that neo is a real person and not an HRB plant?

google hotrussianbridessuck and also the name of the owner of the site.. I forgot his name at the moment but if you do a bit of googling it will come up.  Frankly, with as much dirt as I have on them I am surprised they haven't tried to come after me.. but I think they are well aware they are playing with fire with me and I have proof in the name of former female members.  Also, they didn't get me for nearly as much $ as they did a lot of other men who have bigger axes to grind than I do.  

They read this forum, and all the others.. probably with throw away nicknames.  Just because Patrick says he won't respond to forums anymore does not mean they aren't paying attention to what is being said about them.  Patrick, Nadia, all of them.. damn well trained and smart.. but they are enabling the scam, they know they are, they lie to cover it up and they suck in every possible way.  Obfuscation, distraction, obstruction and other "ion"s are their preferred method of doing business.

In fact, there are very very few times in my life I wish I had a lot of money.. in regards to HRB and its owners and managers I wish I did because I would burn a lot of money to put them out of business and drive them back to the piece of crap place they came from in the first place.  If thy spent the rest of their lives picking up garbage at the edge of the freeway it would be too good for them.

Honest businesses do not engender such emotional anger and rage.

Finally Aramis.. one guy who makes outrageous claims you believe but all the other people who are giving you real honest answers you dont want to believe?  Are you still that addicted?

just saw your latest post.. thats a good plan Aramis.. the first thing to determine with any agency site.. do they know the girls personally/ do they use affiliate agencies?  If the answer is yes/no that is a good start.  Will they allow you to have your own terp for a "two terp" meeting?  answer should be yes.  Do the girls write their own answers to letters?  answer should be absolutely yes.  Do terps add "color" to letters?  answer should be absolutely not.  and so on..

cuteonly could be a great site if they could figure out how to keep the scammers from singing up in the first place and if they would add a free chat like the cupid sites have.  if you get invites to write offsite on cuteonly do not do it.. guess where it leads? 

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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #184 on: July 03, 2009, 01:44:46 PM »
thanks for all of the input, Sculpto.

i will google as advised and hope to read about their lawsuits.

as for neo, i think you will find that his posts here regarding hrb are not too different from what most others have written; but, like me, he is not so absolute in his views as some others are. if you go to his posts in "Specific Ukrainian Woman" under "Starting Out", you will see what i mean.


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Re: Why I want to marry a younger woman...
« Reply #185 on: July 03, 2009, 01:47:41 PM »
On the 2nd go-round. Married 9 years to a RW already!

 

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