I met a girl under special circumstances

[Sculpto]

Sculpto, you are partaking in much of the unreasonable judgments by implying that all women are one offer away from being a prostitute.

Some secrets are better left unsaid 

if you read correctly what I wrote.. I said many women have gotten offers.. I never said they all did or would accept.. but they think about it... especially if the guy seems "normal" and the money offered is a lot. 

Being propositioned and doing it are very different.

[mies]

I know a guy who was till recently engaged to a prostitute. They met when she was active "working girl". She stopped working when they started dating. They looked quite happy together but broke up because a guy had serious drinking and gambling problems, and the girl wanted him to stop and to have normal family. After one particularly nasty fight - she left him telling she can't watch how he destroys his life. Guy was very sad but she didn't come back even though he used to support her while they lived together.
As far as I know - she was loyal to him during the year they were dating and living together, and she did not return to prostitution after they broke up - found (not right away) some "decent" work. She doesn't have any boyfriend - i talked to her recently. Before they met - she used to be a prostitute for 13 years.

[Sculpto]

Not so long ago you were morally outraged at the thought of RW being prostituted out of marriage agencies. Sculpto was contacting the authorities and going to put an end to that travesty. Sculpto KNEW someone who could get it done. Yessiree, Sculpt was going to be the saviour of these ladies of the oldest profession working in marriage agencies. What's wrong Sculpt? It's okay for whores on the streets of Paris and San Francisco but not working out of marriage agencies. Different class of whores I suppose?
 

twist things around some more Faux.  I could care less if a woman CHOOSES to work in the sex trade.  On the other hand.. being coerced or "persuaded" is a completely different thing.  Traffic and choice are completely separate.  

[Sculpto]

I know a guy who was till recently engaged to a prostitute. They met when she was active "working girl". She stopped working when they started dating. They looked quite happy together but broke up because a guy had serious drinking and gambling problems, and the girl wanted him to stop and to have normal family. After one particularly nasty fight - she left him telling she can't watch how he destroys his life. Guy was very sad but she didn't come back even though he used to support her while they lived together.
As far as I know - she was loyal to him during the year they were dating and living together, and she did not return to prostitution after they broke up - found some "decent" work. Before they met - she used to be a prostitute for 13 years.

I know of a number of similar stories with people i know IRL.  I know one where the woman is simply a nymphomaniac and there is no way one man could ever satisfy her.. she works for kink.com and was one of the first official "slaves".

[I/O]

Did anyone mention the health  factor (not mental, that's a given)?

[Faux Pas]

twist things around some more Faux.  I could care less if a woman CHOOSES to work in the sex trade.  On the other hand.. being coerced or "persuaded" is a completely different thing.  Traffic and choice are completely separate.  

I haven't twisted anything around Sculpy. That was your tirade then and this is your tirade now. I'm just here to remind you of that. Just another example of your hypocrisy. Who the hell are you to judge who was persuaded and who was choice? Your moral compass points nowhere. You would do well to refrain comment on others. You'll obviously just take a side, any side as long as you can argue.



 

[Sculpto]

whatever Faux.  think what you want.  You opinion is irrelevant anyway.

[BillyB]

Did anyone mention the health ?

No, we assume she screens and chooses the finest men in society as her customers. Hookers just don't just sleep with anybody, they have standards! They also all go to college and put the money you give them up their nose to good use. If a guy wears a suit, he's mentally healthy and disease free! On a more serious note, although some hookers are picky when choosing a customer, they still don't know who they are sleeping with. Many of those women don't know how many thieves, rapists, child molestors, and morally bankrupt people they've been trading bodily fluids with. But hey! The money makes all the ugly go away.
 
Sculpto, much of your views when it comes to a variety of things in life whether it's politics, prostitution, or drugs is far from mainstream thinking. I'm not saying you're wrong but you do realize you are in a very small minority when it comes to these things. As freely as you speak your mind on this forum, I hope you speak your mind with your woman. For you two to be compatible, she must be in the minority too with the same views as yourself. You have an uphill battle to find that rare woman. The woman you're communicating with now may not feel she's compatible with you but you must let her decide by disclosing your convictions on a variety of topics. If you choose to hide your beliefs now, sooner or later she will find out and most likely she will lose respect for you if she doesn't agree. Then your relationship/marriage will deteriorate. Better sooner than later to discuss these things.

[remiel6]

Once upon a time, when I played music in clubs and bars for a living we had a saying. "Support your local music scene, tip a stripper." At the time a large number of guys I knew had girlfriends who took their clothes off for a living. They were nice girls, and they all had stories of one kind or another. I don't judge anyone for the choices they make in their lives. If they want to be an escort, so be it. To me the advice needed to be given and that was "what does this guy do about his situation". Now I go back to my stripper girls for this. Guys fell for them all the time. They had to play it carefully because if they brushed the guy off they would lose a good paying client, so they slow played it. Some girls even gave out phone numbers. They kept 2 cell phones, one they gave to the customers, and one they gave to their friends. They were nice girls on one level, but and I mean this will all due respect, they were screwed up in the head, It wasn't that what they did was morally depraved, it may be, but it was that spending 8 hours or 10 hours a day with different men all trying to get money out their pocket gave them a messed up view of the world. The money itself is like a drug, and many of them did a lot of those too. The girl can do what ever she wants, but should the  guy make the choice to be her "out" as someone once posted, there are a lot of beautiful Russian women are there who don't come with this baggage, some of them happily married on this board. They at least sound like they have wonderful lives and husbands who love them. This girl, the escort, could be a goldmine, but for me, my life is crazy enough with one strange person in it (myself)  

[Sculpto]

 
Sculpto, much of your views when it comes to a variety of things in life whether it's politics, prostitution, or drugs is far from mainstream thinking. I'm not saying you're wrong but you do realize you are in a very small minority when it comes to these things. As freely as you speak your mind on this forum, I hope you speak your mind with your woman. For you two to be compatible, she must be in the minority too with the same views as yourself. You have an uphill battle to find that rare woman. The woman you're communicating with now may not feel she's compatible with you but you must let her decide by disclosing your convictions on a variety of topics. If you choose to hide your beliefs now, sooner or later she will find out and most likely she will lose respect for you if she doesn't agree. Then your relationship/marriage will deteriorate. Better sooner than later to discuss these things.

it has all been discussed Billy.  You will just have to trust me on that. 

[Ravens9273]

Right now I am really waiting for JollyRats to get ahold of this topic.   

[KenC]

Sculpto,
Most of us do not have the affinity for whores and sex workers as apparently you do.  The problem I have with your stance is that you seem to try and raise the level of acceptance for whores and sex workers by lowering the level of all women.  Not cool IMO.

I am also curious if your fiancee shares your outlook on whores and sex workers?
KenC

[JR]

Original Poster:  

What the hell are you thinking? You start off by trying to convince us that you are all that and you expect us to believe you....man I don't want to finish that thought.

You asked a prostitute for her number, what do you expect to get out of this deal? She is a professional user of men. It's OK with you that when she comes to stay with you she's out doing other men for money? I'd say you need to learn to respect yourself more.

She is in a profession which pretty much destroys everything it touches.

She is open and honest with you about it? DUH!!!!/b]You met her when she was called in to service you for money! How could she be anything other than open. But I serioulsy doubt she is honest with you. Her profession is ALL ABOUT LIES! It even has her lying to her own mother. SHE IS OPEN AND HONEST WITH YOU ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE HAS NO OTHER CHOICE!!!!!! Do you hear me?

Let's suppose her mother had introduced you to her? Would her story be the same? Would she be as open and honest about it with you as she is now? CLUEze] if you answer anything other than "Not just no but HELL NO!" you my friend are kidding yourself.

I agree with Ravens: This is not a forum on "How to Marry a Hooker." This is a forum about the difficulties of international marriage. Prostitution knows no nationalities. It destroys women all over the world. Are you prepared to have children with this women then deal with the guilt and depression she'll most likely suffer when she starts regretting her past?

Dude, don't just walk away, RUN. There's nothing noble in what you're doing.

[JR]

Right now I am really waiting for JollyRats to get ahold of this topic.   

Haha, your wait is over

[Sculpto]

Sculpto,
Most of us do not have the affinity for whores and sex workers as apparently you do.  The problem I have with your stance is that you seem to try and raise the level of acceptance for whores and sex workers by lowering the level of all women.  Not cool IMO.

I am also curious if your fiancee shares your outlook on whores and sex workers?
KenC

Ken, I just don't care what a woman decides to do in this regard, as long as it is her own choice.  My woman feels the same and likes to go to strip clubs to WATCH.  She also has GAY friends and LESBIAN friends and knows at least one TS. 

[Sculpto]

Sculpto,
Most of us do not have the affinity for whores and sex workers as apparently you do.  The problem I have with your stance is that you seem to try and raise the level of acceptance for whores and sex workers by lowering the level of all women.  Not cool IMO.

Actually Ken.. there is a way of thinking that says denigrating and criminalizing the "oldest profession" lowers the image and value of all women.  Many would say that it is men who cast a negative light on prostitutes because they wish to control women where in fact it should be an empowerment of all women to have the freedom to decide how to use their bodies.  After all.. if men did not PAY for the service, there wouldn't be prostitution.  So, I would say that your opinion, while valid in some way, is directed at the wrong gender. 

[JR]

Look: there is a lot wrong with this situation. Most of it has to do with the Original Poster trying to convince himself it will be OK.

My main concern here is that you are decieving yourself. Don't think it is going to be OK. It is not. Your train wreck is just around the corner. STOP DECIEVING YOURSELF!
Your life is about to become one F'd up mess. And it will be all YOUR fault. Because you are making excuses for her and decieving yourself.

Grrrrrr........

[GoodOlBoy]

My woman feels the same and likes to go to strip clubs to WATCH.  She also has GAY friends and LESBIAN friends and knows at least one TS. 

IF it's TRUE, contrary to popular belief (Kuna), you have found your perfect match Sculpto.


GOB

[GQBlues]

I am not sure I am buying this story. 

A whole lot of points you made there August. Good eye and I'll take this one step further and say this story is a figment of someone's imagination.

Funny.

[KenC]

Actually Ken.. there is a way of thinking that says denigrating and criminalizing the "oldest profession" lowers the image and value of all women.  Many would say that it is men who cast a negative light on prostitutes because they wish to control women where in fact it should be an empowerment of all women to have the freedom to decide how to use their bodies.  After all.. if men did not PAY for the service, there wouldn't be prostitution.  So, I would say that your opinion, while valid in some way, is directed at the wrong gender.  

Sorry, Sculpto,
No matter how you try to glamorize and justify it, prostitution and associated "sex workers" are a dirty, disease ridden and immoral bunch where people stoop to the lowest possible denominator of humanity.  There is no amount of words that can elevate these losers to a socially acceptable level.  People with high moral character, just won't do such things.
KenC

[Sculpto]

IF it's TRUE, contrary to popular belief (Kuna), you have found your perfect match Sculpto.


GOB

It is true and yes I have.

[Sculpto]

Sorry, Sculpto,
No matter how you try to glamorize and justify it, prostitution and associated "sex workers" are a dirty, disease ridden and immoral bunch where people stoop to the lowest possible denominator of humanity.  There is no amount of words that can elevate these losers to a socially acceptable level.
KenC

Sorry Ken, I find people who are apt to make moral judgments about any particular sub culture to be an immoral bunch where people stoop to the lowest possible denominator of humanity.  There is no amount of words that can elevate these losers to a socially acceptable level. 

[KenC]

Sorry Ken, I find people who are apt to make moral judgments about any particular sub culture to be an immoral bunch where people stoop to the lowest possible denominator of humanity.  There is no amount of words that can elevate these losers to a socially acceptable level. 

It isn't a sub culture, but a subhuman behavior.  Scum is scum, no matter how you paint them.
KenC

[BillyB]

say this story is a figment of someone's imagination.
 

Real or not makes no difference. With the amount of people reading this thread I'm sure there's a guy or two who actually thinks he could make a wonderful wife out of a whore and willing to roll the dice whether she's a working girl or retired and listed at an agency. A thread like this will make him rethink the odds of success. It's not up to any guy to change who she is and how she thinks, it's up to her.  Few adults ever change their views and values.

[Gator]

My opinion is changing somewhat.  I don't think it is as "Black and White" as most RWD members assert.

Ininite’s woman is not a whore and what that word conjures among the RWD members.  Based on the money she makes, she is a courtesan. 

Her clientele bears no resemblance to the average RWD member.  Such clientele do not pay her for sex.   They pay her to leave after sex (plus discretion, sophistication, and safety). 

I contend that probably none of us know the mentality of this type of woman, even if she could be typified.  So how can we judge what she will do or not do?

What matters most is what’s in the OP’s head, and he is struggling with it.

Ininite, you asked what questions should be posed to her.  I have questions for you not her.

1.  You mentioned that she is very independent.  She perhaps is as unaffectionate as a cat from eliminating emotion in the intimate act of giving pleasure.  If so, will she give you the passion and affection that you crave?

2.  You mentioned that she is into her money (which goes without saying).  Can she give this up?  Do you make enough to give her the lifestyle she has enjoyed with her escort income?

3.  Can you ever get her past into the “old history” column?

If you answer “yes” to each of these, I suggest that you give it a trial.  She evidently is free to travel to your country.  Move in together and see how it goes for at least a year.  Her reaction to such a proposal will reveal a lot.

I realize that this is a serious matter; however, think how you will be saving 20,000 Euro per month.