I met a girl under special circumstances

[Misha]

performance artists

Performance artists = people who create a career out of living false personae  Perfect cover for somebody wishing to hide their true self and self-loathing.

[I/O]

Trigger? Sorry, don't quite get what you mean here.

Opportunity, motivation, call it what you will.

[Sculpto]

Performance artists = people who create a career out of living false personae  Perfect cover for somebody wishing to hide their true self and self-loathing.

Misha.. at risk of starting an argument.. that was a really ignorant comment.

[SANDRO43]

Performance artists = people who create a career out of living false personae  Perfect cover for somebody wishing to hide their true self and self-loathing.

I doubt a concert pianist would fit that description - perhaps you're using a rather broad brush ?

[Misha]

Misha.. at risk of starting an argument.. that was a really ignorant comment.

True, I overgeneralized, as you are wont to as well , but you do have to admit that actors are trained to play different roles, to become different people on stage. It would be a perfect profession for someone who wants to mask who they are and play a role in their daily lives.

[Misha]

I doubt a concert pianist would fit that description - perhaps you're using a rather broad brush ?

True, mea culpa. I apologize.

[Sculpto]

True, I overgeneralized, as you are wont to as well , but you do have to admit that actors are trained to play different roles, to become different people on stage. It would be a perfect profession for someone who wants to mask who they are and play a role in their daily lives.

sure and there are many that would fit your description, but, as I said, the people i am talking about were a really tight group and most have gone on to do some really awesome work.. several are married.. interestingly.. it is the men from that group that remain unmarried while most of the ladies did find an appropriate husband. 

[SANDRO43]

actors are trained to play different roles, to become different people on stage. It would be a perfect profession for someone who wants to mask who they are and play a role in their daily lives.

Paradoxical though it may appear, quite a lot of actors were VERY shy people when they started out in their careers, and acting helped them overcome their shyness and inferiority complexes, in a sort of either swim or sink situation - particularly when facing a live audience, a decidedly therapeutic experience .

I was an instructor for the last 15 of my 30 years with IBM, and when I started out I thought it'd be a SERIOUS job . Much to my surprise, I discovered rather early on that it also involved a LOT of acting techniques - posture, gestures, tones of voice, pauses, etc. But I was not masking myself, at most I was adding a few 'technical feathers' to my stage make-up .

[bobcat]

There's a UK guy who posts on another forum that met a prostitute in the hotel bar he was staying at somewhere in Siberia. He was on a failed WOVO, they got talking, things happened, they're now married for several years and I believe she gave up her night gig once they got serious.

[Aloe]

In general and I know there will always be exceptions, does remaining a virgin until marriage carry much significance for FSU women? Or do most most FSU men care much about a woman's sexual history?

NO and NO
I always laugh when i see some guy on EM ask that only virgins apply.

[BC]

albeit some emotional baggage is bound to result, mostly from societal woes

Depends on a number of factors. However, let's say hypothetically speaking that a woman has been a professional prostitute for a decade from the age of 19 to 29. This would mean that a third of her life would have been spent in the profession. I believe that after this length of time, her personality or outlook would have been irrevocably shaped. Our experiences make us who we are. Like it or not, the person she is will have been shaped by her past, and she just can't walk away from it.

Agreed, but lets face it prostitution is not a 'normal' job as judged by society as a whole, solely because of the taboo's associated with sexual conduct and not by a client that insists on bringing his teddy bear along for the 'ride'.

IIRC there was a guy that joined the board a while back that was interested in finding a mate that shared S&M interests.. he got pretty ripped up too with remarks similar to those over the last 15 or so pages of this topic.

Is interesting that a few months ago I was called down to the local police station to translate for a hooker that got beat up by another hooker that was extorting 'rent' for a particular corner of the street.  Both were legal immigrants.  The hooker demanding rent was arrested and deported, the other free to go back to her job with a promise from the cops that they would drop by every now and then to make sure she was not getting hassled by other girls in the area.   At first they thought she was here illegally, and if so they would have arranged for her to be able to stay under EU WAVA laws.  This in the land of the Pope..

[mies]

How many new sports stadiums are built in the midst of populated areas? Until a product is invented / presented, it is anyones guess whether or not there will be demand.

You can view the "need" as demand.
The products (or most of applied products) are usually invented to satisfy particular need. Even the most hardcore scientific discoveries have the line in their description: "Applied value". Good scientific theory has applied value to humanity. Applied value - is how it can be used. How it can be used = how it can satisfy certain needs of a human.

Regarding stadiums - people were known to demand 'bread and spectaculars" / "хлеба и зрелищ" long time ago. In Greek culture there was marathon, in Medieval Europe there were public executions of witches and wrongdoers. Nowadays - these are TV, watching sports, etc. Nothing really changes over the centuries. The form - maybe. Needs/demands - are similar.

I have a question to people who are so critical about prostitutes and strip dancers.
What is your view of american cheerleaders? would you date a cheerleader? would you marry an ex-cheerleader? would you want your daughter to be a cheerleader? would you let your daughter to be a cheerleader?
what is the particular role the cheerleader plays at a football or basketball game? Why these girls always wear super-short skirts or shorts exposing their cute butts and tight tops complementing their generous busts and leaving bellies uncovered? What kind of uniform it is?


compare to:


Do you see any differences between the above three images? I personally don't.
 
Few more:

[Misha]

Agreed, but lets face it prostitution is not a 'normal' job as judged by society as a whole, solely because of the taboo's associated with sexual conduct and not by a client that insists on bringing his teddy bear along for the 'ride'.

Even the "normal" professions will shape a person. If a person is a police officer for a decade, I am sure the experience will shape them. Or if they are an accountant. I also believe that the profession you choose is shaped by your personality: in some cases you choose a career that fits your personality type, in others you choose a career as means of compensating (or overcompensating) for your personality. Hence, some shy people choosing acting as a means of overcoming their introverted nature. That is my theory based on personal observation. Can't substantiate it otherwise at the moment.

[BillyB]

I have a question to people who are so critical about prostitutes and strip dancers.
What is your view of american cheerleaders? would you date a cheerleader? would you marry an ex-cheerleader?

I could date or marry a cheerleader as long as she doesn't have strange men spraying sperm on them or in their mouth on an hourly basis. Many of us do judge a person on the inside and not what they do. With doing prostitution, women tend to pack a lot of emotional scars. As individuals, they usually have much more issues than the average cheerleader.

[GQBlues]

You have argued your case about this being a 2 way street. Thats good.

How do you advise the OP to move forward with his dream girl? What tips do you give him to make this work out? How should he handle the thoughts of the past when they pop into his head? How does he keep this on track? This is what the thread is about.

He wants to hear thoughts from the people who can justify this. If you can guide him Im sure he will listen.

Actually, I already have SMS. It's upthread and it still stands as written.

I am not at all convinced the OP was looking for some pearl of wisdom on the board considering the topic of his inquisition. He's either a troll or someone seeking for people to stroke his ego. He's better off going to the Vatican and soliciting opinions about child molestation. What did he expect to get from this board? A high-5 or a validation he's being an idiot (sorry, harsher words were used to describe people involved in these types of relationships) for even venturing the possibility.

The real strange thing that happens in discussion like this is, and it's more common than people realize, the hypothetical character is always the one that gets the heat. If you summarize the thread, 90% of the thread is about whores, women like her, her family, her culture, her nationality, and how despicable they all are, etc...We totally assasinated this woman's character when in fact the thread is about this particular man, his particular actions, his particular adventure, his own deeds and what to do with his life specifically. It's his character that is in question, not the woman.

Technically, the woman didn't really do anything. So I'm thinking how any points made against the woman really qualify as 'advice', IMO. It's akin to laying the blame on cars for auto accidents. It's pretty amusing.

[Sculpto]

Billy, there really is a difference between a high end escort and a street walker, especially in terms of mentality and self esteem.

This comparison is going to cause an outcry I am sure, but, from my perception and experience it is relevant and true.

A lot of gay men when they finally come out of the closet and accept themselves for what and who they are without regard or concern for the bigotry that is heaped upon them from straight society tend to become rather well adjusted and sometimes even to a higher degree than straight people who have not had to overcome such an serious challenge.  I have seen the same with the escorts and strippers I knew through the circus troupe.  

That is a very specific difference between a street hooker or someone who has been forced or coerced into the sex trade.  

If you ever have the chance to get to know someone who has done the work for the right reasons you might understand.   As I just wrote that, I recalled a client I had back in the early 90's.  She was, and still is, a professional dominitrix.  I have never in my life met a more well adjusted woman. (beautiful too)  I will say however, working for her, was no piece of cake.  She was REALLY demanding.  LOL

[Sculpto]

GQ.. those were some really wise words.

I would bet that if the lady in question were here to defend herself most of the naysayers would be surprised at her intelligence and honesty.  Speculation on my part, but, I think she would tear most of these guys apart and use their ignorance to demonstrate how narrow minded and wrong they really are.

In the time of the burning of the witches, its pretty obvious to see who would have stood where.

[GQBlues]

Mies-

Have you by chance glanced at a lot of the marriage agency sites' profiles at all?  

[Misha]

I would bet that if the lady in question were here to defend herself most of the naysayers would be surprised at her intelligence and honesty. 

Intelligent, I wouldn't be surprised. Honest: depends on the context, and whether she believes that she has something to gain by not being honest  :evil: Will I condemn her? No. Would I want to marry her? No, for all the reasons that I have listed already.

[Daveman]

I have a question to people who are so critical about prostitutes and strip dancers.
What is your view of american cheerleaders? would you date a cheerleader? would you marry an ex-cheerleader? would you want your daughter to be a cheerleader? would you let your daughter to be a cheerleader?

Suddenly I have a serious desire to commit a crime, any crime.. hmmmmmmm

I think supply and demand in this scenario isn't really a chicken/egg argument but rather a logical progression of natural negotiation tendencies in the primitive environment.  

I would guess as the most logical nascent path of money for sex.. Caveman sees beautiful cavewoman.. his "chemistry" begins to fire rapidly.. he makes the attempt to seduce her but she resists all of his efforts.. he can A) take her by force,  B) walk away with a raging, um, spear, and seek attention elsewhere, or C) offer the specific cavewoman of his desire something material in return for her special favors (or perhaps her family, or whomever).  

Option C could have begun as the custom of buying a wife, or have developed directly as her "realizing" she has inherent assets which can bring some kind of material or "favorable" gain... over time,  this progression would naturally grow into a way to make steady income until her beauty faded...

Very simplistic scenario but with a hint of realism as logic would indicate that negotiation would be one avenue of male persuasion to circumvent the word "NO!", and/or repulsion to the uglybugly caveman.

I think human nature itself would indicate that the loquacious Females invented language, but the laconic Males would have invented prostitution.  

[mies]

I could date or marry a cheerleader as long as she doesn't have strange men spraying sperm on them or in their mouth on an hourly basis. Many of us do judge a person on the inside and not what they do. With doing prostitution, women tend to pack a lot of emotional scars. As individuals, they usually have much more issues than the average cheerleader.

thank you for reply. Though it is not quite clear what disgusts men most in prostitutes?

so far, concluding from posts int his thread - prostitutes are criticized not as much for being paid for sex, but for being paid for:
- oral sex
- sex with lowlifes
- sex with perversions
- sex with multiple partners
- having sex without condoms
- sex with strangers

Will it make a prostitute more acceptable for a wife if you knew that particular woman specializes only on missionary position with CEOs, politicians, football trainers and university presidents? No perversions, men candidates are pre-screened, and she always insists on using condoms.

Do you by default assume that women who are not prostitutes never have oral sex, sex without condoms, and sex with strangers/"lowlifes"?

With regard to cheerleaders. They become popular for being skilled at the attracting attention with their body shapes and movements. The whole sports is about exploiting their feminine looks. How can you know that cheerleader "doesn't have strange men spraying sperm on them or in their mouth on an hourly basis" ?

[mies]

Mies-

Have you by chance glanced at a lot of the marriage agency sites' profiles at all?  

frankly speaking - :-) only some - attracted by the banners on this website. I never was registered on the marriage agency website myself.

why? :-)

[GoodOlBoy]

Errrr.....I have a terrible "headache" and I need to be "excused" from the forum for awhile.  :evil:


GOB

[mies]

Suddenly I have a serious desire to commit a crime, any crime.. hmmmmmmm

 :evil:

[SMS60]

thank you for reply. Though it is not quite clear what disgusts men most in prostitutes?

so far, concluding from posts int his thread - prostitutes are criticized not as much for being paid for sex, but for being paid for:
- oral sex
- sex with lowlifes
- sex with perversions
- sex with multiple partners
- having sex without condoms
- sex with strangers

Will it make a prostitute more acceptable for a wife if you knew that particular woman specializes only on missionary position with CEOs, politicians, football trainers and university presidents? No perversions, men candidates are pre-screened, and she always insists on using condoms.

Do you by default assume that women who are not prostitutes never have oral sex, sex without condoms, and sex with "lowlifes"?

With regard to cheerleaders. They become popular for being skilled at the attracting attention by their body shapes and movements. The whole sports is about exploiting their feminine looks. How can you know that cheerleader "doesn't have strange men spraying sperm on them or in their mouth on an hourly basis" ?

Mies, I think you are looking at it from the wrong angle. I dont think the word disgust is the right word but close.

Its says alot about how the women would conduct other parts of her life. Most men would not want to be in a partnership with an ex hooker not because of all the men she slept with but because of her attitude about ethics, honesty, ect.

Examples might be the vetting process of high level goverment officials. How and with who  they dealt with in the pass will give us an insight of how they will act in the future. If you understand what Im saying.

Its really not about the sex its the others issues.