Politics regarding struggle for Ukraine

[Chelseaboy]

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The aforementioned photo and Telegram report is of Russian volunteer fighter "Topaz",who is part of the Russian Nazi unit Rusich.


It was posted on Telegram on 27th December,and the man photographed with him is his friend Aleksey Milchakov.


The Union Jack at the bottom of page 4 of the report is where it's been translated from Russian to English.


I rather think he has a better grasp of what's happening at the front than you do Trench...and basically the Russian forces are on their knees now.


Clearly,anybody with any common sense would understand that months of destruction of Russian ammo depots behind their front lines from HIMARS would have a serious affect on the Russian troops...but apparently not you.


By the way China will not be supplying Russia with any help with weapons and ammo and has made it clear to Putler that he should withdraw from Ukraine.


Meanwhile the Russian economy is now going into meltdown,with photo's and videos of Russian people unable to get money out of ATM's as there is NO money available.

[Trenchcoat]

so they both married super-model looking guys with sweet personalities

Wouldn't they be better off modelling? Life as a male model must be way better & easier than doing boring geeky stuff stuck on a PC all day long doing cyber security - that task is usually left to guys that are at best everyday looking and/or social awkward.

[krimster2]

it's not what they're into...
for young folks, certain careers are in vogue and other are not...

[Trenchcoat]

it's not what they're into...
for young folks, certain careers are in vogue and other are not...

Silly, once youth and good looks aren't quite as good as they once were the moment could well have passed. Then big money could have been passed over and the realisation could dawn that they're then stuck with the IT room. That and they'll be competing with ugly/socially awkward dewds who have no life to go home to, so over supplied labour pool often invariably leads to poorer pay & job opportunities.

[Trenchcoat]

The aforementioned photo and Telegram report is of Russian volunteer fighter "Topaz",who is part of the Russian Nazi unit Rusich.


It was posted on Telegram on 27th December,and the man photographed with him is his friend Aleksey Milchakov.


The Union Jack at the bottom of page 4 of the report is where it's been translated from Russian to English.


I rather think he has a better grasp of what's happening at the front than you do Trench...and basically the Russian forces are on their knees now.


Clearly,anybody with any common sense would understand that months of destruction of Russian ammo depots behind their front lines from HIMARS would have a serious affect on the Russian troops...but apparently not you.


By the way China will not be supplying Russia with any help with weapons and ammo and has made it clear to Putler that he should withdraw from Ukraine.


Meanwhile the Russian economy is now going into meltdown,with photo's and videos of Russian people unable to get money out of ATM's as there is NO money available.

Funny a load more missiles hit Ukrainian cities this morning, you were saying

Stuff can be said from the perspective of those on the ground but the big long term macro situation can be a lot different outlook to what is happening in the moment.

Sure Russia's economy is being busted up but so is Ukraine's and unfortunately Ukraine's economy is being hit by war destruction in addition to the cost of financing a war & loss of trade, etc.

Both sides have made little progress on the ground in recent weeks as was expected but I still think a more long term picture may not potentially look too rosy for Ukraine. I don't think it's a full gone conclusion but I don't think Ukraine necessarily has the upper hand as it presently looks unfortunately for them.

[Chelseaboy]

Funny a load more missiles hit Ukrainian cities this morning, you were saying

Stuff can be said from the perspective of those on the ground but the big long term macro situation can be a lot different outlook to what is happening in the moment.

Sure Russia's economy is being busted up but so is Ukraine's and unfortunately Ukraine's economy is being hit by war destruction in addition to the cost of financing a war & loss of trade, etc.

Both sides have made little progress on the ground in recent weeks as was expected but I still think a more long term picture may not potentially look too rosy for Ukraine. I don't think it's a full gone conclusion but I don't think Ukraine necessarily has the upper hand as it presently looks unfortunately for them.

Putler firing missiles into Ukraine is a sign of increasing desperation from him...and just confirms Ukraine is winning the war.


As the Ukrainian opposition MP said on Sky News today " We've seen what Russian occupiers did in Bucha,Lyman and Kherson...does anybody really think firing missiles at us will make us surrender and experience more of that ? We can put up with not being able to shower everyday or drink hot tea first thing every morning " .


Fact is Trench you said this war would be over in days with a comprehensive Russian victory at the outset....ten months later ...you were saying 


You flip-flop all the time about the outcome of this war.


As for comparing the Russian and Ukraine economies for who can last outlast the other..who's helping the Russian economy  from it's ultimate destruction ?
Meanwhile,the USA is sending $44 billion to Ukraine with another $33 billion from the G7 ( including $18 billion from the EU ),which secures the Ukraine economy.


While Europe has a limited amount of available military equipment,the American and European military-industrial complex is ramping up the production of new military equipment  and the contracts for military aid to Ukraine for 2023 are being agreed.


As i was saying 


Interesting prediction from Professor Michael Clarke ( Defence and Security Analyst ) on Sky News today that this war could well last for 20/30 years,with bouts of fighting at intermittent periods during that time.


Let's see how Russia's economy holds-up to that,with 20/30 years of sanctions to contend with..bearing in mind it's already showing signs of collapsing after just ten months 

[Chelseaboy]

Update on the Russian ballistic missiles launched at Ukraine today.


There were 16 launched at Kyiv....they were all shot down 


21 missiles launched at Odesa were shot down 


5 Russian cruise missiles today were shot down by Manpads lol 


and the Patriots haven't even arrived in Ukraine yet : )))


I have no updates for the remaining missiles fired by the Russians yet...clearly some will have got through.


However,in retaliation Russian cities Belgorod and Bryansk have been hit, and at Engels airbase they shot down one of their own aircraft,an SU27 ,with the pilot killed.   

[Trenchcoat]

Putler firing missiles into Ukraine is a sign of increasing desperation from him...and just confirms Ukraine is winning the war.


As the Ukrainian opposition MP said on Sky News today " We've seen what Russian occupiers did in Bucha,Lyman and Kherson...does anybody really think firing missiles at us will make us surrender and experience more of that ? We can put up with not being able to shower everyday or drink hot tea first thing every morning " .


Fact is Trench you said this war would be over in days with a comprehensive Russian victory at the outset....ten months later ...you were saying 


You flip-flop all the time about the outcome of this war.


As for comparing the Russian and Ukraine economies for who can last outlast the other..who's helping the Russian economy  from it's ultimate destruction ?
Meanwhile,the USA is sending $44 billion to Ukraine with another $33 billion from the G7 ( including $18 billion from the EU ),which secures the Ukraine economy.


While Europe has a limited amount of available military equipment,the American and European military-industrial complex is ramping up the production of new military equipment  and the contracts for military aid to Ukraine for 2023 are being agreed.


As i was saying 


Interesting prediction from Professor Michael Clarke ( Defence and Security Analyst ) on Sky News today that this war could well last for 20/30 years,with bouts of fighting at intermittent periods during that time.


Let's see how Russia's economy holds-up to that,with 20/30 years of sanctions to contend with..bearing in mind it's already showing signs of collapsing after just ten months 

The last bit I agree with, it could last a long time. No real telling how long but it's why I don't count on journeying into Ukraine any time soon. I know of ways to try to get in but apart from any war risk issue it doesn't fall in with my plan for easy travel in & out that I see as most advantageous in making it work.

Anyway, sure the US and rest of the world are chipping in money and military arsenal that it has more than it actually requires. The west has a vested interest in making it as hard as possible for Russia to take Ukraine. I'm not saying it's going to be an easy sweep for Russia but more of a Russian bear hug that progressively strangulates Ukraine over time. All that weaponry and money only lasts so long. Remember Ukraine's economy is mostly in free fall, it won't be bringing in a lot of tax revenue from its citizens or businesses but it will be paying out a lot in terms of maintaining a huge army.

Russia's economy is under strain and not doing well but it's a big country and is now switching to being geared towards the military rather than to the consumer. Like in Soviet times the people will not live in comfort but odds are Russia can sustain itself a long time like that even if it's population is suffering miserably in day to day life as a result. Look at Zimbabwe, how long have they endured super high inflation l, high unemployment, etc and continue to do so even after Magabi has gone. That situation there has gone on for so many years. My guess is matters won't be pretty in Russia and are going badly downhill at present as Krim has shown us and while dissent and cracks will appear the people will have little choice other than to put up with it.

Essentially we are talking about a miserable life for both Russian and Ukrainian people as a result of this war. They are the innocent casualties here that are suffering as a result of Putlers decision to invade.

I still believe that this war was winnable by Russia within a short time period but they fumbled it just so badly. They should have attacked on all fronts at the start of the war, they didn't. Doing so would have spread Ukrainian forces out thinner and allowed greater possibility of a Russian breakthrough somewhere. They get lucky somewhere then they could have used that in a domino effect to roll up the whole of the Ukrainian line. Russia essentially did not capitalise on the natural advantage they had against Ukraine with Ukraine having a long land border. Russia had the forces to do that but essentially put too many towards capturing Kyiv and ended up in a traffic jamb of their own making. An attack towards Lviv and from Moldova cutting off the land border with the EU was another fatal flaw made by the Russians. They would have cut off or at least hindered armaments supply into Ukraine by the west. Had they done that they would have likely win by now, Ukraine was begging the west for more ammunition as it was running low after just a few months of conflict, had the land border been cut of or hampered enough they would have been finished.

If as Krim and I think that Russia will attack from Belarus & Moldova this coming year, even next year then that may become a reality. How long is the west going to pour money into Ukraine before it says enough? My guess is that the west's interest is more to do with crippling Russia economically and militarily than committing themselves to Ukraine winning out over Russia at all costs. The west isn't interested in crippling it's own economy it wishes to see Russia enfeebled. Ukraine will largely be an uneconomic wasteland whether Russia or Ukraine wins. If as odds may be Russia wins it gets an uneconomic wasteland that could be trouble for years to come, then the rest of Russia that it may struggle to hold together. So in the long run Russia may end up losing a lot more territory than it gains in Ukraine. We're not at the state of Russia being a basket case yet but things are going bad there as in Ukraine also and so as it looks likely that the war deadlock will continue Russia is likely to move from bad to worse as tries to wrestle control of Ukraine. So in my opinion say bye, bye to the last couple of decades of relative economic prosperity in Russia & Ukraine, at least relative to what they did have.

[Trenchcoat]

To Summarize:

Russia's biggest strategic mistake was going for the Capital, Kyiv as a priority when they should have made securing the land border the top priority. Securing the land border would have strangulated the whole country including Kyiv and the Capital along with the rest of Ukraine would have had to capitulate. That Russia failed to realise this is down to complete stupidity on their part.

Both Ukraine & Russia as a result of this war are back on the path to poverty. In the future they will both be back to being poor nation's again, like they were or worse than in the 90s.