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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2675 on: November 13, 2022, 04:18:09 PM »
It's not about the values I am searching for.
It's about the sponsors who give a shelter for one, two or three people and don't want to have five, six or seven at a time."The latest raft of complaints is where Ukrainian refugees are demanding the sponsors accept their families over for Christmas from Ukraine."
It's all about cultural differences.
 
Recently a FSU woman asked me to deliver a jacket to a member of her family, which I agreed, and she ended with a bag, with a lot of clothes. That was not the deal and she felt my extreme discomfort. Additionally she was asking me to do something illegal (don't want to give more details). A the same time she showed up in sports shoes and sport clothes in a luxurious restaurant but was uncomfortable because I didn't drop my jacket at the wardrobe.
So we see here in few lines how the "paradox" of cultural differences can strike...





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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2676 on: November 13, 2022, 04:26:33 PM »
You are mixing with the wrong type of Ukrainians. I have never had anyone ask me, or the better half, to transfer large numbers of goods, or buy significant amounts. I have delivered goods on behalf of others, but it’s always been small amounts.
After the fall of communism, the biggest mistake Boris Yeltsin's regime made was not to disband the KGB altogether. Instead it changed its name to the FSB and, to many observers, morphed into a gangster organisation, eventually headed by master criminal Vladimir Putin. - Gerard Batten

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2677 on: November 14, 2022, 03:17:57 AM »
You are mixing with the wrong type of Ukrainians. I have never had anyone ask me, or the better half, to transfer large numbers of goods, or buy significant amounts. I have delivered goods on behalf of others, but it’s always been small amounts.

Maybe, but they exist.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2678 on: November 14, 2022, 09:03:16 AM »
as someone who used to live there, this is just ONE of the many hassles you'll face with the locals!
people pushing you to get all kinds of western things for them
after awhile I put a stop to it, told my wife to tell 'em all I said we had no room
and to blame me and not her
this was the start of my journey towards being a "Rus Buster"

so if ya gotta Russian problem in your neighborhood, WHO ya gonna call?
Rus Busters!!

I got REAL GOOD at it!!

other issue
everybody there knew I was wealthy, so they were always asking about "borrowing" money
they'd even shed tears...

you wanna live over there, you better harden your heart, or those people will "eat you alive"
I hated the person I became from living over there
took me awhile to adjust after returning to the USA
fighting old ladies trying to cut me in line was the worst
freakin staroshka suka I shoved her to the back of the line
groups of drunken gopnick hooligans will try and pick a fight with the lone foreigner to impress their girlfriends
I started out with nosh and britva but moved on to a hand pooshka made from a 26.5mm flare gun to deal with them
yeah, I feared no evil there, cuz I was much, much worse than them
it IS better to be feared than loved in Russia
pretty much all Russians have PTSD and anti-social personality disorder
you better be able to put fear in their hearts or they'll come for you in one way or another




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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2679 on: November 14, 2022, 01:35:02 PM »
You better harden your heart
Krim  :clapping:
Or they will eat you alive  :welcome:
Better to be feared than loved  :applaud:
Cannot say better. Be feared = be respected.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2680 on: November 14, 2022, 04:20:31 PM »
for me, these issues are just a few of the negatives experiences westerners have living there
you will be paranoid about leaving your home unattended while on vacation, etc
you will have steel bars on the windows and armored doors of your home
if your mailbox is in a public area, your mail will be stolen
you can't park your car unprotected out in the open or it'll be vandalized...
and so forth and so on...
the worst IMHO, are the changes you have to make to yourself to survive there
you become one of THEM....
for me the rewards of being there didn't match the hassles, especially NOW!!!
I don't know why you'd want to leave France for Ukraine
I know nothing about La femme Francaise however
here in the USA there are gazillions of single (divorced) women in their 40s
you would't even have to marry them, only if you tuely WANTED to
they can't find men who are interested in them, and most of us KNOW WHY!!

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2681 on: November 14, 2022, 04:45:02 PM »
for me, these issues are just a few of the negatives experiences westerners have living there
you will be paranoid about leaving your home unattended while on vacation, etc
you will have steel bars on the windows and armored doors of your home
if your mailbox is in a public area, your mail will be stolen
you can't park your car unprotected out in the open or it'll be vandalized...
and so forth and so on...
the worst IMHO, are the changes you have to make to yourself to survive there
you become one of THEM....
for me the rewards of being there didn't match the hassles, especially NOW!!!
I don't know why you'd want to leave France for Ukraine
I know nothing about La femme Francaise however
here in the USA there are gazillions of single (divorced) women in their 40s
you would't even have to marry them, only if you tuely WANTED to
they can't find men who are interested in them, and most of us KNOW WHY!!
 
I have been living in some countries that could compete with Ukraine until my 19's so what you describe is not new for me.
What you say confirm what a female friend (Ukrainian) told me about her problems when she opened an office, a sort of house with the door opening directly on the street. She moved to a building (so most of the time there is concierge as you know) and it solved many shit (beggars entering in her office, IT stuff stolen etc...).

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2682 on: November 14, 2022, 04:51:40 PM »
As i predicted the orc artillery,banked on the other side of the river to the city of Kherson,is now getting smashed by Ukrainian artillery.


Ukrainian forces crossed the river at Nova Kakhovka and a CNN reporter in Kherson city said the Ukrainian artillery have been heard through the day and into the night absolutely hammering the orcs .


I should have been a General  ;D
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2683 on: November 14, 2022, 05:25:36 PM »
that would mean that the northern tip of the Crimean Canal is now under Ukrainian control
if Ukraine blocks it sufficiently, then water will stop flowing to Crimea
a true disaster for them
maybe Ukraine can use this as leverage to get Russians to cease attacking their energy infrastructure
there's just one open gas pipeline from Russia to Crimea now, which is out in the open unproteced, this also feeds Russia's 3 new power plants in Crimea
one bomb and there goes gas and electricity to Crimea...

yes, we all know what happens to British Generals in Ukraine
Half a league, half a league,. Half a league onward,. All in the valley of Death...
I like the film on this subject made about 1969 or so in the UK
most favorite movie line, "shall we have a go at them again, sir?"
I love stoics!!

I'd watch what Iran is up to now
this might be Pootin's card hidden up his sleeve


a clever move having a Kurd set off a bomb in Istanbul today, on the same street as the Russian embassy
Turky blames the USA (LOL)


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2684 on: November 15, 2022, 02:37:15 AM »
that would mean that the northern tip of the Crimean Canal is now under Ukrainian control
if Ukraine blocks it sufficiently, then water will stop flowing to Crimea
a true disaster for them
maybe Ukraine can use this as leverage to get Russians to cease attacking their energy infrastructure
there's just one open gas pipeline from Russia to Crimea now, which is out in the open unproteced, this also feeds Russia's 3 new power plants in Crimea
one bomb and there goes gas and electricity to Crimea...

yes, we all know what happens to British Generals in Ukraine
Half a league, half a league,. Half a league onward,. All in the valley of Death...
I like the film on this subject made about 1969 or so in the UK
most favorite movie line, "shall we have a go at them again, sir?"
I love stoics!!

I'd watch what Iran is up to now
this might be Pootin's card hidden up his sleeve


a clever move having a Kurd set off a bomb in Istanbul today, on the same street as the Russian embassy
Turky blames the USA (LOL)
That would be quite funny if the RussiaNatiK in Crimea suffer the same. No electricity, no gas, fear, missiles, new color uniforms soon, business zero, etc...
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2685 on: November 15, 2022, 05:08:35 AM »
Yesterday Ukrainian missile and artillery units launched fifty fire missions,in particular on the concentration of enemy units ,weapons,equipment and ammunition depot in Oleshky.


The orcs are urgently evacuating the earlier brought Russian civilians from Zaliznyi Port to Skadovsk.
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2686 on: November 15, 2022, 11:59:29 AM »
** breaking **
a Russian missile hit Poland and killed 2 civilians, Poland calls for emergency gov meeting...
if this was deliberate and not accidental, then it's likely a prelude to a nuke launched from Belarus towards western ukraine

BTW, getting rid of Pootin will accomplish nothing, FSB will simply select a new national leader to replace him
potential candidates are already auditioning


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2687 on: November 15, 2022, 02:12:13 PM »
Out of the 90 missiles launched at Ukraine today by the orcs ,73 were shot down by Ukrainian air defence.


NASAMS hit 10/10 missiles.
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2688 on: November 16, 2022, 01:44:03 PM »
as someone who used to live there, this is just ONE of the many hassles you'll face with the locals!
people pushing you to get all kinds of western things for them
after awhile I put a stop to it, told my wife to tell 'em all I said we had no room
and to blame me and not her
this was the start of my journey towards being a "Rus Buster"

so if ya gotta Russian problem in your neighborhood, WHO ya gonna call?
Rus Busters!!

I got REAL GOOD at it!!

other issue
everybody there knew I was wealthy, so they were always asking about "borrowing" money
they'd even shed tears...

you wanna live over there, you better harden your heart, or those people will "eat you alive"
I hated the person I became from living over there
took me awhile to adjust after returning to the USA
fighting old ladies trying to cut me in line was the worst
freakin staroshka suka I shoved her to the back of the line
groups of drunken gopnick hooligans will try and pick a fight with the lone foreigner to impress their girlfriends
I started out with nosh and britva but moved on to a hand pooshka made from a 26.5mm flare gun to deal with them
yeah, I feared no evil there, cuz I was much, much worse than them
it IS better to be feared than loved in Russia
pretty much all Russians have PTSD and anti-social personality disorder
you better be able to put fear in their hearts or they'll come for you in one way or another


I never had anyone push me for Western goods.  I would let old ladies cut in line, because they are old, and there, it's a respect thing.  I never had anyone else ever cut me in line. 


Yes, life there definitely is more difficult, and you must have your wits about you.  However, I still think it all boils down to the company you keep. 
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2689 on: November 16, 2022, 02:27:07 PM »
I never whitewash livin in the FSU AND HAVE NO SENSE OF "nostalgie" about it
and YOU know perfectly well what I'm talkin about, that it's a "dog-eat-dog" culture
oh yeah, have your wits about you, hmmm hmmmm...

closest western equivalent would be living at the edge of a garbage dump surrounded by condemned buildings and your neighbors are all ex-cons
and those were THE GOOD OLE DAYS!!

a good darwinian breeding ground for the social mobility of criminality and anti-social behavior
I learned A LOT there!!!!

I do understand causality
the 20th century was BRUTAL for the population of the FSU
and sure looks like it's gonna be the same for the 21st as well

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Re: The Struggle For Earth
« Reply #2690 on: November 16, 2022, 04:37:24 PM »
I have a weird feelin that WAR is coming, no matter what the catalyst is that sets it off

so it's gonna be Russia, Iran, Syria, North Korea and now TURKEY in this corner
and in the opposite corner
Ukraine, Israel, NATO(- Turkey)

and dumb phuques wanna close the border to Mexico
ya'll think you're gonna fly outta the USA when the excrement hits the reciprocating cooling device?

LOL, this is why I have a BOAT and property in Costa Rica!!!
I don't need no stinkin permission, visa, or even a ticket
s'long and thanks for all the fish you suckers!!


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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2691 on: November 16, 2022, 07:17:05 PM »

...  I never had anyone else ever cut me in line. 
Remembering the McDonalds in Moscow, there was no cutting in line.   
Because there was nothing that resembled a line.
Thirty packed people all squeezing toward the registers.

Young boys eating leftovers on the tables.

But the drive-through worked fine for a late evening Coke and fries.

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« Reply #2692 on: November 16, 2022, 07:27:08 PM »
hmmm "bolshoi Mac s'yrom projouste"
I fondly remember those days, sigh...
all overwith now...


think outside the box
there really is is no box
acknowledge that the old world will fall behind you
and ya ain't gonna like
what you're gonna see up in front of ya
don't wanna scare ya
but just tellin you like it is
horrosho moy brat?

zo zaboot FSU girl friend
and focus on how to meet someone your own age
not for marriage, but as room mates
the society of mutual self preservation
is what it's all gonna be about in the future
and not sexual gratification, etc
whatever your "measure"
find a female of the same measure
and learn to be a team
survival for each of you just got 2X easier!!
see how EASY
so abandon old habits of thinking
let the dead bury the dead
all those who want to live should follow me

just kidding!
it's really crucification!!



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Re: The Struggle For Earth
« Reply #2693 on: November 17, 2022, 05:30:54 AM »
I have a weird feelin that WAR is coming, no matter what the catalyst is that sets it off

so it's gonna be Russia, Iran, Syria, North Korea and now TURKEY in this corner
and in the opposite corner
Ukraine, Israel, NATO(- Turkey)

and dumb phuques wanna close the border to Mexico
ya'll think you're gonna fly outta the USA when the excrement hits the reciprocating cooling device?

LOL, this is why I have a BOAT and property in Costa Rica!!!
I don't need no stinkin permission, visa, or even a ticket
s'long and thanks for all the fish you suckers!!


I also have a feeling war is coming..i'm surprised the USA hasn't bombed Iranian  missile and drone stocks and production plants yet.
Iran has been a perpetual thorn in the USA's side and i thought their supplying of weapons to Russia,and with the Iranian citizens protests against the regime there, now would have been the perfect excuse to bomb the f*ck out of them.


Why do you think Turkey would jump ship and side with the axis of evil ?
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2694 on: November 17, 2022, 01:04:04 PM »
I never whitewash livin in the FSU AND HAVE NO SENSE OF "nostalgie" about it
and YOU know perfectly well what I'm talkin about, that it's a "dog-eat-dog" culture
oh yeah, have your wits about you, hmmm hmmmm...

closest western equivalent would be living at the edge of a garbage dump surrounded by condemned buildings and your neighbors are all ex-cons
and those were THE GOOD OLE DAYS!!

a good darwinian breeding ground for the social mobility of criminality and anti-social behavior
I learned A LOT there!!!!

I do understand causality
the 20th century was BRUTAL for the population of the FSU
and sure looks like it's gonna be the same for the 21st as well


You will find the same archetypes of individuals in the West that you do in the FSU.  Everything from psychopaths to selfless individuals.  You were locked out of the highest "levels" of their society, as you're not part of it, so you probably saw things you aren't exposed to in the West. 
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2695 on: November 17, 2022, 03:55:22 PM »
you make too simple a reduction
just like you can see the line of demarcation between east and west Berlin
in the difference of the quality of the buildings on each side
a similar quality is exhibited by the people

the people on the eastern side suffer the social effects of poverty more than in the west
just LIKE THE BUILDINGS!!

lower life span, higher alcohol abuse, higher petty crime
in the USA these issues are correlated with poverty
the problem is that the majority of the people in the FSU are poor
so these characteristics are more common there than upper class areas of the USA
this is what I'm trying to say

this is why I created "a safe living zone" for my family over yonder
and always kept a buffer between me and Russian neighbors
best way to avoid conflicts with Russian neighbors is to not really have any
and have an independent water/electric/gas supply and grow your own food
asd a large amount of us dollars and debit cards in a concealed safe for "emergencies"
this means you kinda have to live away from city center
and buy some land to build your own private villa

stay away from apartment living in Russia
the noise will drive you mad!!
and then you gotta also go get a garage somewhere to park your car, cuz you can't leave it out overnite in front of your apartment
cuz in the morning your tires and battery will be gone

OTOH, if you go all out on the villa
then you can add a swimming pool and nice enclosed garage and work area
and be a mini-oligarch

a lotta places in Russia and Ukraine where you can buy a nice sized boat and keep it at a guarded marina
the ones in Moscow have all the hookups, so you could even live there on the boat a short while at the Marina on the Moscva or Dnipro
and of course Odesa and Sevastopol has the chorny moira

it'd be cool to just work on the boat while chillin on the southern Moskva past where the big industrial places turn into forest
they're not crowded with tour boats like inside the 3 ring part of the river
not sure what to do in the winter time
besides trip on ice
I wore ski boots and cleats to reduce it
but DAMN it gets COLD!





 



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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2696 on: November 17, 2022, 08:34:41 PM »
I will answer you later, krimster. I disagree with your premise.

This is a series of Twitter posts by Kamil Galeev, a Tatar from Russia, a fellow at the Wilson Center. I don’t always agree with him, but his analysis of Putin is usually spot on. Here, he outlines why Kremlin stooge John Mearsheimer (quoted here previously by anti American Putinistas) is wrong.

http://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1593388247799021568.html
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2697 on: November 18, 2022, 08:04:31 PM »
I read an interesting analysis by a Ukrainian military officer on the destruction of civilian infrastructure.  His view is that this is done to break down Western, rather than Ukrainian, resolve.  He said Russia knows that Ukrainians will not bend even with no heat, water, or electricity.  However, if the country is destroyed, Russia believes the West will not wish to commit to rebuilding it. 


I think this analysis is accurate.
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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2698 on: November 19, 2022, 07:05:44 AM »
Rishi Sunak has just rocked up in Kyiv and announced new air defence for Ukraine...£50 million worth.
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: The Struggle For Ukraine
« Reply #2699 on: November 19, 2022, 03:35:07 PM »
I read an interesting analysis by a Ukrainian military officer on the destruction of civilian infrastructure.  His view is that this is done to break down Western, rather than Ukrainian, resolve.  He said Russia knows that Ukrainians will not bend even with no heat, water, or electricity.  However, if the country is destroyed, Russia believes the West will not wish to commit to rebuilding it. 


I think this analysis is accurate.

I don't agree with that.  To me, that argument sounds like Ukrainian spin intended to guilt western countries into providing more financial support.

The infrastructure attacks (water/electric/train stations/etc) are only temporary.  If the war ended today, I suspect that utilities would be restored within a month.  Delaying investment by a month is nothing.

If you want to destroy infrastructure to discourage investment, you destroy every bridge possible.  (especially railroad bridges, since Ukraine is so dependent upon rail.)  You burn down every single building.  You tear out every mile of electric wire.  You salt the fields - of not with salt, then radioactive waste.  You completely destroy shipping ports and then sink every boat possible in the harbor.  You destroy every barge and merchant marine vessel.  You completely destroy every fuel depot.

These things take time to repair and rebuild.  These things must be fixed before you can attract investor money for projects that will earn a return.

I think the reason is far more simple.  Khodorkovsky said that when the common Ukrainian people did not come out to greet the Russian soldiers with flowers and open arms, this made Putin go crazy and put him in a rage.
Remember right after the war started, they had some peace talks?  It was in March sometime.  Putin sent a message to Ukraine.  "I will thrash you."

I think that is what the destruction of civilian infrastructure is about.  The insolent Ukrainians did not worship Putin and greet his soldiers with flowers, so he wants to make them suffer.  I think he knows that militarily Russia can't defeat Ukraine as long as it has western support...but he can make them suffer and make their life miserable, so that is what he is doing.

It's classic Soviet playbook.  Remember 90 years ago?  Those insolent kulaks wanted an independent Ukraine.  They all wanted to own their own family farm, where they could eke out a living.  They did not want to be a part of Soviet collective farms.
So the Soviets starved them into submission with the Holodomor. 4.5 million starved to death, and untold millions nearly starved to death.

It would not surprise me if the Russians start bombing food distribution warehouses again, like they did at the start of the war.  The old saying is that civilized societies are only 9 meals from complete anarchy.  When people go without food for 3 days straight, society breaks down.

 

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