What I Learned...

[Doll]

 This is a good question 
I've met so many nice young pretty American girls here- many of them are looking for marriage. I don't think they are thinking of money only (I mean a man loaded with money).
They were born here, have same background ( as you all do), don't have problems with language, educated, etc.

[Jumper]

spectris does 

and Ukraine ,while diverse, is as large and ethnically diverse as the USA?

A man (or woman) dating in general from all parts of Dnepropetrovsk, is not going to find as great of diversity in backgrounds or ideals, as if he dated in all parts of Chicago.(or NY , LA ,Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, etc etc)


Doll i do agree the generalizations of any people or nations often do not fit..
No one likes to be stereotyped.
Whether it be a good or bad  stereotype,
but  a few countries where  generalities would fit the largest number of the populace  would be
those with a narrower ethinic populace and a trend to most living in large cities and having very similar backgrounds.


Yes all people are individuals.. and a wide range of personalities can be found in any given country..

when you express your views, I do respect them ,and take them as a good *general* guideline
to how  most adult RW with children, would feel as well on a given topic..

Is that a horrible  generalization?
it is taking one viewpoint as likely representative of the populace at large ,because i feel,and from my own experience, many would share your general background and views.
 

Should we all stop generalizing completely?
the forum would not have much to discuss or advice to give.


I think your point with Spectris was that RW and AW are different, i agree that they are.

Just like a rural farm girl here is quite different than one from the Bronx..
or a woman from India or Brazil is different from one from Minneapolis
or something as simple as one from suburbia Chicago and one from the south side projects..different cultures and backgrounds.

 but i also think he was referring to more basic things .of dating /romance ,and basic human needs and
emotions , which ultimately are not that much different.

[Jumper]

This is a good question 
I've met so many nice young pretty American girls here- many of them are looking for marriage. I don't think they are thinking of money only (I mean a man loaded with money).
They were born here, have same background ( as you all do), don't have problems with language, educated, etc.

No doubt.

[Doll]

and Ukraine ,while diverse, is as large and ethnically diverse as the USA?

I reacted on his "FSU and American women are same" and some of his other "facts".

Ukraine is big enough to NOT say something like "they all are homemakers" or " none of them are homemakers". It all depends.
Yet, I dare to be consistent in "American and FSU are not same".
 FSU are much harder to deal with ( if you don't belong to their culture).
Stubbornness, drama, not so many things in common, different ethics, etc.

 

[Doll]

No, you shouldn't stop generalizing completely, but myth No 1 is about similarity of Amer. and FSU women.
Remember American with his thread "The Ugly"? He is 100% right. I've been watching American woman for 9 years- they are much easier to deal with, IMHO

[Doll]

Just like a rural farm girl here is quite different than one from the Bronx..
or a woman from India or Brazil is different from one from Minneapolis
or something as simple as one from suburbia Chicago and one from the south side projects..different cultures and backgrounds.

You didn't get my point, though I am sure you know the difference.

[Boethius]

Remember American with his thread "The Ugly"? He is 100% right. I've been watching American woman for 9 years- they are much easier to deal with, IMHO

As a generalization, I think you're right.  FSU culture is much more direct, and much more confrontational than North American society.  American society is more confrontational than Canadian society, though I think the latter is changing.

[JR]

This is a good question 
I've met so many nice young pretty American girls here- many of them are looking for marriage. I don't think they are thinking of money only (I mean a man loaded with money).
They were born here, have same background ( as you all do), don't have problems with language, educated, etc.

True, but they aren't looking for and or willing to marry/have sex with a sixty year old man)))))

[JR]

Please supply a list.

Vodka,

Vodka

and well, er...vodka.

Oh yeah, watching snow fall

[Doll]

True, but they aren't looking for and or willing to marry/have sex with a sixty year old man)))))

No 

[JR]

No 

And that's why we're here)))

[Doll]

And that's why we're here)))

Ha-ha! Very true.

[Jumper]

You didn't get my point, though I am sure you know the difference.

I did see your point actually ,
was mostly teasing you ,
( dare say , that you might *generally* be stubborn,but wonder if it has anything to do with being Russian..   :evil:   )


as far as the differences, da koneshno,  I know them well.
 

[Jumper]

you're sixty JR?
 

[HazyKnight]

America, population wise, is a huge country.  Does an AW in rural Utah or Mississippi have the same views as a woman from New York City or San Francisco?

*Warning: Gripe Approaching*

They do NOW! Thanks to mass media, and for some reason the culture of the United States telling every woman "You're somebody! You deserve everything! Sun shines out your ***! You're special!" And they drink this Kool Aid* by the gallon ("liter" for others).

In my city, a population of 1 million, there are no great jobs for the educated here. We have a great University, but the young professional women (and men) leave for jobs in other cities! I'm left with hairdressers with 2 kids! Sure there might be a few, but its needle-in-a-haystack-time around here. Plus the few that are left that are making it, are either looking for the "bling," (Note: see sunshine out the rear end comment), or are holier-than-thou "you'll never find the key to my chastity belt, its in my father's unmarked grave," type. What's a young, successful, intelligent, educated, handsome, moral, in shape man to do? I've been forced to look overseas because of the wasteland of uneducated, ultra religious, or gold diggers that vastly inhibit my city! Its like a zombie game of wave after wave of these women.

*Gripe End*

The first time I dated a Ukrainian woman, I was 22 years old, and realized how fantastic foreign women are.

If you live on the west coast (see: mountain states AND west) then you know how difficult it is to find a woman who is simply well-balanced with a decent career and hasn't made horrible life choices by this point in her life.... At least I do.

[Doll]

You can forget about "decent career" what comes to most of FSU wives. Same about "well balanced".

[HazyKnight]

You can forget about "decent career" what comes to most of FSU wives. Same about "well balanced".

Ok, I can deal with those two.  Nobody's perfect (sp*?)

[I/O]

The first time I dated a Ukrainian woman, I was 22 years old, and realized how fantastic foreign women are.

Perhaps this is one of the real keys?

[JohnDearGreen]

In my city, a population of 1 million, there are no great jobs for the educated here. We have a great University, but the young professional women (and men) leave for jobs in other cities! I'm left with hairdressers with 2 kids!...Its like a zombie game of wave after wave of these women.

I don't see your logic there.  From my experience, the hi-tech areas were the worst places to shop for ladies,  because the number of professional men always greatly outnumbers the number of professional women.   The no-tech cities were the best places for dating because I was one of fewer professionals there.

[spectris]

Wow, didn't mean to spawn all the controversy about "AW / UW" being the same - it was almost a stray comment.  I mean spent most of my time with only ONE woman (small sample group), but did meet a few others casually in 2 different cities (one large / one small), and my "impression" was that they "seem" to be more similar to AW than what I might have expected after reading some of the messages here and other places.  I'm just speaking to usual things like interest in polotics, art, western music, their careers, the way they raise their children, even just carrying on a conversation, etc. struck me IN GENERAL as being similar to the women I know here.  This seemed a good thing to me btw...

Maybe I've just been to Asia so many times and have seen the extreme differences between AW and ?W (fill in a country here) that I might have expected something, I don't know something more starkly differenet.  But, I imagine the basic similiarites that I'm speaking about between AM & FSUW are what makes them attractive to us and vice-versa in the first place right?

Guess I will have to go back and do more (better?) due dillegence...

[JR]

you're sixty JR?
 

No but it's more about justification than a number.

And by the way "I look younger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[ML]

I tend to agree with those who think there are a lot of similarities between AW and FSUW.

True, when the WM goes to FSU he can trade up in terms of what is desireable to him.

But, if you were to group them all together in each country across ages, looks, education, etc., then I didn't find much difference in the two groups . . . in total.

[HazyKnight]

I don't see your logic there.  From my experience, the hi-tech areas were the worst places to shop for ladies,  because the number of professional men always greatly outnumbers the number of professional women.   The no-tech cities were the best places for dating because I was one of fewer professionals there.

Let me explain more thoroughly. There aren't a lot of high paying jobs here. So the young hotties leave after grabbing their bachelor degree. They come in from out of state, grab the degree, and go to someplace else. As a result there just aren't a lot of educated people here. Yeah, its a weird situation.