Why would russian women want an average american man?

[Misha]

Mendy, though it is true that Russia does get many migrants from Central Asia, it does not negate the fact either that educated and middle-class Russians are also seeking to leave Russia and more then a few oligarchs and even Russian politicians have houses and families overseas 

Покинуть навсегда Россию хочет каждый пятый: http://deita.ru/society/v-rossii_09.06.2012_814590_pokinut-navsegda-rossiju-khochet-kazhdyj-pjatyj.html

[GQBlues]

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I just don't buy into you can bash only one gender ,attributing those *bad* traits to a common  culture,yet praise the good traits of the other gender on the same culture....

Agreed. As with the subject of fidelity complaints/hype we often hear about RMs. That also apply in the US population as well.

As an example, one of the reason (fat) AMs cite for embarking to poorer regions foreign countries looking for wives is because according to them ALL AWs are 'fat'. So you get fat men complaining about fat women for being 'fat'. That's always been a mystery to me if it isn't always too darn funny to read, LOL. Yeah, anyone can walk around anywhere USA and see fat women. But there's just as many if not more 'fat' men. Furthermore, anyone who've 'seen' AMs in FSU looking for love ~ generally supports the notion even fat men need love, too regardless of cost.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Agreed. As with the subject of fidelity complaints/hype we often hear about RMs. That also apply in the US population as well.

As an example, one of the reason (fat) AMs cite for embarking to poorer regions foreign countries looking for wives is because according to them ALL AWs are 'fat'. So you get fat men complaining about fat women for being 'fat'. That's always been a mystery to me if it isn't always too darn funny to read, LOL. Yeah, anyone can walk around anywhere USA and see fat women. But there's just as many if not more 'fat' men. Furthermore, anyone who've 'seen' AMs in FSU looking for love ~ generally supports the notion even fat men need love, too regardless of cost.

I never understood that one.  Whenever I seen a fat AM questioned about that type of reasoning, they always said "because we can."  Same reasoning slim, younger women wouldn't date them in their country. 

[GoodOlBoy]

I never understood that one.  Whenever I seen a fat AM questioned about that type of reasoning, they always said "because we can."  Same reasoning slim, younger women wouldn't date them in their country.

 
Speaking of fat AM, I always felt a little sorry for "Cannon". 

Everybody on the show was always identifying him as:  "that fat guy".


 
GOB

[Eduard]

Ed said:

First off, I love a guy who appreciates humour!

Second, while I'm analyzing your ability to attract babes, would you figure a way to calm the tensions in the centre of Tblilisi over the situation in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. I need help as that is a project that could use some insight now.

I hate to admit that perhaps you're more of a babe magnet that myself, but honestly can't answer that question without seeing you in action. Is it your aftershave?

I use a Russian brand aftershave and purchase it from a little kiosk inside Metro Кожуховская as the gal inside the kiosk is always hitting on me. She uses the coolest pickup lines, like "Okay, American man. You buy so we make prize special today. Berry goot prize." Heck, who can resist a sale "prize" especially when the aftershave is really a 3 in 1 product; use it as aftershave, deodorant or toothpaste depending on what is needed most on a given morning. I should mention that it also works great as emergency drywall putty when the wife is moving picture frames around the front room. Berry goot prize.

So come to think of it, I'm willing to bet that you're wearing nicer aftershave, something more upscale than Walgreens and manufactured in the States, right? That is your secret my friend! Your aftershave may not patch drywall holes but it smells dapper!

Now to your other question: In the 2010 census, which I trust having observed it being conducted, the mortality rates rose (Слава Богу) for both men and women, fewer deaths due to alcohol being at least part of the good news. The life span of Ruskie Men lengthened to 62.8 years, up from 29 in the year 2000. RW and the Babushki enjoyed an increase from 72.3 to 74.7 in the same period. http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b11_12/IssWWW.exe/stg/d01/05-07.htm


This chart is an official Russian government release. At birth to age 35-37 there are slightly more Russian MEN than women but approaching 45-50 the men begin to lose ground to the ladies. Hmm, someone mentioned that earlier up-thread. Why, I believe it was me! 

The 2010 census was done using methods consistent with international standards and accepted as such by Western countries. You might be interested in seeing that the number of live births increased over a ten year period.

As I posted here in December 2011, in 1992 during the terrible economic conditions as Russia was moving to a market economy, the infant mortality number was 29,200. Thankfully by 2010 that number had improved, dropping to 13,400.

The total number of deaths decreased from highs during the years 1995 to 2006 of economic turmoil and political uncertainty. As for the causes of death, heart disease is on the rise as are deaths from infectious and parasitic causes as opposed to previously predominate alcohol related causes. Homicides and suicides are decreasing as are death rates from highway accidents, and again you have to factor alcohol in many typical Russian accidents so perhaps there is some good news on that front as well.

Those who claim that Russians are clamouring to leave Russia appear to be wrong as well, making those marriage agency claims simply BOGUS. Whether to other countries in the "near abroad" or to "far abroad" countries like the West, Russia continues to experience a net INCREASE in migration rather than immigration losses as the marriage agencies distort.



So my friend, and you are my friend, we're going to have to disagree on any idea of there being more females than males in the 18-40 age group.


I propose a hearty Vodka toast to our friendship, let's include our comrades Ольга и И/О, and we'll blame our differences on the aftershave. 


Живите долго и счастливо!


         

It's all good, Jim...problem is that I haven't warn any aftershave in about 7 years since my wife got pregnant with our first baby! She couldn't take any smell from any aftershave and I've stopped wearing it ever since... However I'm honored to be considered a friend of yours! I respect you very much! 

[Jumper]

Of course, I understand what you mean joking like that. 
I'd like to note that there could be a different sense in the joke for a RM's mind. The following anecdote is popular:
- Would you love this woman?
- Yes, but I need more vodka.
- And how about that ugly one?
- No, I can't drink so much.

When a man dislike the woman's look very much he may say just: "I can't drink so much (Я столько не выпью)".

belvis, thanks,


I'm actually very familiar with  that Russian expression  ..lol


Women use it too,  regarding men




(it's also a fairly common expression in the west,but generally beer is used in the expression, instead of of vodka)

[OlgaH]

I propose a hearty Vodka toast to our friendship, let's include our comrades Ольга и И/О, and we'll blame our differences on the aftershave. 

Ladno, I agree on a little bit of vodka with cranberry juice, but aftershave is too much for me to take  even with juice.

And I did not notice too much difference in our opinions 

Живите долго и счастливо!
   

Thank you, but in such case  juice without vodka will do better  and all the best to you.

[Jumper]

Ed,

The thread was speaking of the MOB sites often portraying ..the many faults of RM,
so I was referencing that, not posters in the thread bashing RM.

Do i think alcoholism a larger problem in the FSU than the west?

I'm not sure?
as different regions within  the USA are probably as high, or higher.
Based on economic levels? probably the same?
So if there are a greater percentage of economically depressed, then naturally in any country the rate of substance abuse generally rises?


Overall in the big picture of nations? i'd probably think that it is,from living in eastern Europe.
not from agency hype.But I doubt scientific studies would show any significant difference.
that seems weird from watching life daily there though.

I do feel, that the dynamics in families there is often different, and I do think its often enough to be a relevant contributor to why a percent of the population there looks outside the borders for marriage.My wife would agree.Shes knows there are many many good RM.,but here in the west looking at the average families she feels the fathers are *on average* more involved in children, home life etc.
Her perspective may change with more time, more interaction in the west,. I dont know.

[OlgaH]

Do i think alcoholism a larger problem in the FSU than the west?

I'm not sure?
as different regions within  the USA are probably as high, or higher.

Jumper, how often you see drunk teens (boys and girls) in the,streets, public parks, drinking in the hallways of their apartment buildings, in the yards under their apartments windows, buying alcohol in the stores, sitting and drinking in the cafes in the US, how often do you see the young mothers with beers in  their hands in the US streets rolling their strollers with babies.

Why do you think the Russian government vigorously implement different kind of laws regarding alcohol and organize anti alcohol  raids by police all over the Russia? and Russian doctors including  pediatricians and experts in drug abuse ring the bell louder and louder? 

[Jumper]

Olga,

I perhaps dint write my thoughts well, I'll bold the important parts and i think we agree more than disagree.

Do i think alcoholism a larger problem in the FSU than the west?
I'm not sure?as different regions within  the USA are probably as high, or higher.Based on economic levels? probably the same?So if there are a greater percentage of economically depressed, then naturally in any country the rate of substance abuse generally rises?Overall in the big picture of nations? i'd probably think that it is,from living in eastern Europe.not from agency hype.But I doubt scientific studies would show any significant difference. that seems weird from watching life daily there though.

[OlgaH]

Olga,

I perhaps dint write my thoughts well, I'll bold the important parts and i think we agree more than disagree.

My bad I missed 

[ML]

Agreed. As with the subject of fidelity complaints/hype we often hear about RMs. That also apply in the US population as well.

As an example, one of the reason (fat) AMs cite for embarking to poorer regions foreign countries looking for wives is because according to them ALL AWs are 'fat'. So you get fat men complaining about fat women for being 'fat'. That's always been a mystery to me if it isn't always too darn funny to read, LOL. Yeah, anyone can walk around anywhere USA and see fat women. But there's just as many if not more 'fat' men. Furthermore, anyone who've 'seen' AMs in FSU looking for love ~ generally supports the notion even fat men need love, too regardless of cost.

OK, I'm up to a 'lip lashing' today, so here goes:

Men and women place their highest priorities for mates on different variables.

For most men, the woman's 'looks' are at or near the top of the list.

For most women, other variables are more important in their mate.

So many women will 'accept' a man that is more overweight than herself.

Most men will not 'accept' a woman that is more overweight than himself.

[I/O]

many women will 'accept' a man that is more overweight than herself.

Most men will not 'accept' a woman that is more overweight than himself.

Fairly accurate assessment.

[Gator]

TRUE!!!!!!

It's my fault -  I should have added ***DISCLAIMER*** This post is in no way belittling RM/RW !

I' m sorry if you find my previous post somehow offensive.
Offer my apologies

It was not offensive in any way.  My apology for making you feel it were offensive. 
 
Too many apologies GoMG.  Are you this sweet in real life?
 
Maybe one day you will let your hair down.  That will be a day to marvel and celebrate at RWD.

[Eduard]

Most men will not 'accept' a woman that is more overweight than himself.

Admittedely I don't travel much around the US these days, but here in Tampa Bay I often notice the opposite - a decent looking, in-shape AM with a grossly obese AW. Most of the time they are married couples with a child in their mid twenties.

[GunayH]

I did not want just an American man, just a good man who could be a good friend, lover and maybe husband. I have met many Europeans in work and they can be okay but no chemistry between them in last few years.

Looking at men around my work and among friends are very few I would date. Several ask me but some are married and other only wanting the sex part for a dinner.

I wanted someone to talk with about things, visit my friends and go to places where relaxing and enjoy things. My friend is American but that was not what I liked. He talks with me about cooking, politics, business, shops with me and can sit with me to do nothing if we want.

So, I think should not be a national part of picking men only what we want from being with them in a relationship.

Maybe we will get married someday or maybe we will live together somewhere. That place probably will not be America but maybe someday.

[I/O]

Admittedely I don't travel much around the US these days, but here in Tampa Bay I often notice the opposite - a decent looking, in-shape AM with a grossly obese AW. Most of the time they are married couples with a child in their mid twenties.

I think there is a difference between tolerating changes in what you already have (gaining size) and accepting that as a parameter for the selection of what you are looking for.

[pemdas1983]

I wish I had 2k laying around and 2 weeks off to fully investigate this on a trip to russia.

Me too.  :|  I can see how these older men (no offense to anyone) can afford to go to the FSU so often.  For men who are younger, there's not only student loans, car payments, and other things that draw your income away from you, but there's vacation days.  Your company values your time and doesn't want to give you the privilege to go hop onto a plane and leave for a couple of weeks.

My boss has a wife who's from Estonia.  He not only got to vacation there for a month, but they also let him work from home, all the way in Estonia.  Sure, it probably sucked that while he worked, his wife and daughter slept, and when they were awake is when he had to sleep.  But, do you think that they'd even give me that privilege? 

No.  We have a project due by the end of this month.  If I were to try to take a week off, I'd end up screwing so many people over, I'd be out of a job for doing so. 

Well, at least if I took a week off now, that is.  I have some vacation days saved up, but I don't know when I'm going to use them.  :|  But, I definitely can't take a week off now, not with this deadline coming so soon.

[pemdas1983]

Admittedely I don't travel much around the US these days, but here in Tampa Bay I often notice the opposite - a decent looking, in-shape AM with a grossly obese AW. Most of the time they are married couples with a child in their mid twenties.

Yeah, dude, that happens more often with younger couples.  Now, older couples, on the other hand, it's the reverse (from my experience).  Like my mom and dad, for instance.  My mom is skinny, but my dad is pretty fat.  Not that he was fat when they met.  He was in good shape when they met, but work kind of kept him from being able to have the time to stay in shape.  So, now my mom is still in good shape, but my dad isn't. 

That's usually why cartoon dads, like Homer Simpson, are usually fat.  I think that most of us have dealt with this kind of situation with our parents, where, for some reason, mom stays in good shape but dad is fat and stressed out all the time.  Probably why women tend to outlive men.

[mendeleyev]

Me too.  :|  I can see how these older men (no offense to anyone) can afford to go to the FSU so often.  For men who are younger, there's not only student loans, car payments, and other things that draw your income away from you, but there's vacation days.  Your company values your time and doesn't want to give you the privilege to go hop onto a plane and leave for a couple of weeks.

Most guys over 40 in this adventure are in your same situation unless they're self-employed successfully. The typical American traveler to the FSU to meet a lady, whether he be 29 or 59, has only two weeks vacation and limited funds. That is one reason why so many fail.

$2K will buy a ticket and visa with a little left over for some crackers, ketchup and Ramen noodles but you'll sleep on park benches, and in jails once the police pick you up from the hospital after thugs have beaten the crap out of you on the park benches. 


How far one can travel for two weeks on $2k:
Air ticket: $900-1400
Visa: $180-250 *
2 wk apartment: $600-1800
Transport inside FSU: $300-1000+
Food/meals: $500-1200
Museums/theatre/entertainment: $200-500
Miscellaneous: $200+


* Visa costs if you go to the Russian Embassy in DC are $30 for the service itself and $150 for the visa.

The more of a "newbie" one is, the more you typically pay for apartments/hotels. If you can speak and read some Russian your apartment costs can be $350-500+ over a two week period versus the average.

Transport inside the country will vary widely depending on which city you visit, where you live in that city, and if train or additional taxi costs are needed beyond using the inexpensive city Metro and/or buses.

Food and meals will vary depending on whether you cook your own meals in an apartment or stay in a hotel and eat in restaurants; also how many times you take the damsel out to a restaurant.

Entertainment costs will vary widely as you will pay the "foreign" price for tickets to anything, and on how many dates you make with the damsel.

[onus]

I did not want just an American man, just a good man who could be a good friend, lover and maybe husband. I have met many Europeans in work and they can be okay but no chemistry between them in last few years.

Looking at men around my work and among friends are very few I would date. Several ask me but some are married and other only wanting the sex part for a dinner.

I wanted someone to talk with about things, visit my friends and go to places where relaxing and enjoy things. My friend is American but that was not what I liked. He talks with me about cooking, politics, business, shops with me and can sit with me to do nothing if we want.

So, I think should not be a national part of picking men only what we want from being with them in a relationship.

Maybe we will get married someday or maybe we will live together somewhere. That place probably will not be America but maybe someday.

I usually don't post her too much but i must say, you hit the nail on the head. Exactly why my girlfriend is amazing. I can do nothing with her, or talk. It doesn't matter. Even if i don't know anything about the subject. If she likes it it must be interesting so i ask about it. She does the same.

[Eduard]

Just came across this RW profile on mamba... For as long as a number of RW feel this way about RM, WM still have a chance! 


У меня уже есть небольшой опыт общения на сайте знакомств, и мне он не очень понравился - очень много спама, негатива, извращений и психических расстройств. Иногда возникает ощущение, что очень большая часть мужского населения Москвы неизлечимо больна - таких людей я прошу мне не писать и не предлагать разделить с ними плоды их чудовищного воображения.


Translation: I have had some experience communicating on a dating site and I didn't like it much - too much spam, negativity, perversions and psychiatric disorders. Sometimes it seems like a very large part of Moscow's male population is mentally ill with no hope for recovery. I ask that people who belong to this category do not contact me and don't suggest that I'd share the fruits of your monsterous imagination with you.

[ML]

Translation: I have had some experience communicating on a dating site and I didn't like it much - too much spam, negativity, perversions and psychiatric disorders. Sometimes it seems like a very large part of Moscow's male population is mentally ill with no hope for recovery. I ask that people who belong to this category do not contact me and don't suggest that I'd share the fruits of your monsterous imagination with you.

Hey, I'll bet there are plenty of WM who fit this same category she is talking about.  Don't stereotype us.  We can do anything a RM can.

[Eduard]

Hey, I'll bet there are plenty of WM who fit this same category she is talking about.   

For sure! But most RW don't know that