AFA BUSTED RUNNING SEX TOURS

[IAmZon]

THAT WAS A CNBC NEWS LINK! For crying out loud. In any case, my only point is that it is difficult - impossible - to generalize.  It is very easy to judge and offer prejudice .  I would like to believe that we are all free to chose.

When pop stars like Hilton and Kardashian all have their own sex tape.  When Sexing is as common as a telephone call.  AND, at the same time government is enforcing new policies against unwelcome advances .... well, things are going to take a little getting used to.

[GQBlues]

Man, this was a very interesting thread to say the least. It was running pretty thick for a while, too. I thought a love story was starting to bloom. Then you had most of the mods pretty glued to the exchanges - Super Mod, Mod3, etc...the only one missing was AnonMod

 

Anyway...

Respect the right of everyone to seek happiness.....

Yes, I agree. Pimps and whores are people, too.


But going back to AFA, I laid (no pun) witness to Mr&Mrs John AFA & Mr&Mrs AshleyFOSiberia go at it live on stage one time. I remember Ashley accusing John of prostitution, etc....and John accusing Ashley of having underage women in his profiles, etc...nasty stuff. If any of this was true, who the heck knows but I thought watching the missus throw barbs at each other was a delight. They should've rolled in a mud pen and let them go at it...

[IAmZon]

Yes, I agree. Pimps and whores are people, too

It would be nice if everybody wore team uniforms.  The "good people" wear red and the "bad people" wear blue.   The "good people" suffer no life scars (or experiences).  They never do wrong.

However, what is an romantic affair, or betrayal in a marriage?  And, do not these happen with substantial frequency?   Certainly we see this from aged relationships, and from happy "good" people that have been married here on RWD?!?!

I do not see the world with such clear divisions.  I am thinking of four American men who recently married women from Colombia. (I try not to notice these things, but it is hard) Oh! I am sure that these people are all hoping for the best, with the best of intentions.
I am sure the men see their wives as "good".  However, I know things of these women's past.  Do their proud (and probably judgmental) husbands know the entire truth?   I doubt it.

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Pimp?  Me ... You lack to appreciation to all the subtleties of life.  If I am a pimp that Steve Wynn (and many, many others) is a Pimp too.
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It is best to live with one's eyes wide open IMO.

[fathertime]

One opinion I have is that if a young woman from AFA or any other outfit wants to genuinely begin a new life as a loyal wife, yet her history is less than stellar than I think that is a step in the right direction, and if a man decides he wants to take a chance on a lady like this that is his prerogative.  I’m sure it is a bit dicey but certain men might feel that is the best they can do, or maybe they prefer these types of ladies.     When the scenario is turned around and it is an OLD MAN who suddenly decides in middle age that thinks he is going to change the way his mind works, and tries to pluck a relatively pure young woman out for marriage and gloss over and spin his history like a politician, that is something many men/fathers would react to.

It would be nice if everybody wore team uniforms.  The "good people" wear red and the "bad people" wear blue.   The "good people" suffer no life scars (or experiences).  They never do wrong.

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Who said you are BAD?  This is just you trying to boost your image as a ‘badboy’, but you know know this is far from reality.  You  desperately want to be seen as bad, but actually it looks more like a silly and confused schoolboy if anything.  I would guess you avoid intelligent women that have it together, because you realize that you would be like an embarrassing  little pet  to a woman like that.

I do not see the world with such clear divisions.  I am thinking of four American men who recently married women from Colombia. (I try not to notice these things, but it is hard) Oh! I am sure that these people are all hoping for the best, with the best of intentions.
I am sure the men see their wives as "good".  However, I know things of these women's past.  Do their proud (and probably judgmental) husbands know the entire truth?   I doubt it.
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Your comments imply that you know the wives of these husbands better than the man does.  You seem to JUDGE the men in the marriage as ignorant.  You attempt to portray people that disagree with you as religious zealots, yet you are the judgmental one.


Fathertime! 

[GQBlues]

Man, in your attempt to sound 'intelligent' and 'holy', all you really did was succeed in contradicting yourself. First you made divisions in people to classify them according to your life views and definition.
 
But then admomish those whom you feel see things differently than you. Then if that isn't enough - you'd like everyone to believe you actually know more of other people's lives better than themselves.
 
Did you gather such wisdom in 'Debbie Does Dalls' or 'Rug Burn Sally' shoots?
 
You're an admitted pimp. That is what it is. If folks call you for what you are, well, that is what you are. Nothing more, nothing less, so what's the big deal? You aren't being 'judged'. You're just being called what you admitted to be. LOL...
 
I'm just not quite sure if you are one because you don't "see life in subtleties" or vice versa (whatever the f&ck that means) - but either way, to me, it reeks nothing more than an overly-romanticized term for prostitution-for-profit. These silly 'seminar' talk works for the Ariel Castros of the world, maybe middle-aged folks bucking to spice up their otherwise bland, empty  and boring lives. But to actually peddle as though this is something everyone 'wise and romantic' should be aspiring to may have more than one or two screws loose, you know.
 

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It would be nice if everybody wore team uniforms.  The "good people" wear red and the "bad people" wear blue.   The "good people" suffer no life scars (or experiences).  They never do wrong.

However, what is an romantic affair, or betrayal in a marriage?  And, do not these happen with substantial frequency?   Certainly we see this from aged relationships, and from happy "good" people that have been married here on RWD?!?!

I do not see the world with such clear divisions.  I am thinking of four American men who recently married women from Colombia. (I try not to notice these things, but it is hard) Oh! I am sure that these people are all hoping for the best, with the best of intentions.
I am sure the men see their wives as "good".  However, I know things of these women's past.  Do their proud (and probably judgmental) husbands know the entire truth?   I doubt it.

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Pimp?  Me ... You lack to appreciation to all the subtleties of life.  If I am a pimp that Steve Wynn (and many, many others) is a Pimp too.
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It is best to live with one's eyes wide open IMO.

[IAmZon]

[size=78%]Your comments imply that you know the wives of these husbands better than the man does.  You seem to JUDGE the men in the marriage as ignorant.  You attempt to portray people that disagree with you as religious zealots, yet you are the judgmental one. [/size]

I can only allow myself to apply the type of logic that flies from the hip to these posts, otherwise, this would become work!  I would be greatly underpaid - and a fool LOL


=> But,


I am not TRYING to paint myself anything here, bad, or otherwise.  There is a presumption that people that engage in colorful behavior are "bad / ruined / scared / unfit".  I have made recent posts that show "normal" people have a wild side.   I have made recent post that debunk common stereotypes.


The women that I have known, that in the past certainly did take a sponsor (or paid boyfriend) were nice to me.  I liked them personally.   Why can they not make a good wife?   I am not judging the women, nor the men.  BUT, I highly doubt the husbands know everything.  In fact, I am rather certain of it.  Come to think of it ... well, it's not important.

[IAmZon]

You're an admitted pimp. That is what it is. If folks call you for what you are, well, that is what you are. Nothing more, nothing less, so what's the big deal?

hmmm.  I have to admit it is a struggle for me to see your application of terms.   Me a pimp ... that's like calling Pablo Picasso a PAINTER.

[Faux Pas]

It would be nice if everybody wore team uniforms.  The "good people" wear red and the "bad people" wear blue.   The "good people" suffer no life scars (or experiences).  They never do wrong.

However, what is an romantic affair, or betrayal in a marriage?  And, do not these happen with substantial frequency?   Certainly we see this from aged relationships, and from happy "good" people that have been married here on RWD?!?!

I do not see the world with such clear divisions.  I am thinking of four American men who recently married women from Colombia. (I try not to notice these things, but it is hard) Oh! I am sure that these people are all hoping for the best, with the best of intentions.
I am sure the men see their wives as "good".  However, I know things of these women's past.  Do their proud (and probably judgmental) husbands know the entire truth?   I doubt it.

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Pimp?  Me ... You lack to appreciation to all the subtleties of life.  If I am a pimp that Steve Wynn (and many, many others) is a Pimp too.
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It is best to live with one's eyes wide open IMO.

I think it might have more to do with the hypocrisy you project. You live your life in the area of the adult entertainment industry. Which is all well and good. You're a grown man and needn't answer to anyone for that. You proclaim here on this board about your successes with porn stars and "models" and your vast experience and enlightenment. How they and you are just regular Jimmies and Joe's and the rest of the posters (or those that do not agree with your enlightenment) must be some how inadequate, unknowledgeable or inexperienced sexually. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Sex is one area few people must be taught. Most peeps already know how to do it and what they like. You peddle or you help others to peddle still, classifies you as a peddler, does it not? But, to take the hypocrisy one step further, you seek apparently, to date and marry a women much more virtuous sexually than you or the other Jimmies and Joes, all the while attempting to hide from her what you really do. Do you not see the irony and the glaring hypocrisy there?

You might eventually find this woman you seek and I wish you all the luck in the world with it. But c'mon really, who's eyes are wide open, and to what? 

[LiveFromUkraine]

hmmm.  I have to admit it is a struggle for me to see your application of terms.   Me a pimp ... that's like calling Pablo Picasso a PAINTER.

Oh boy, you are the Pablo Picasso of porn now?  heh


I quite enjoy the "I see everything while the rest of you see nothing" spiel.  It never gets old.

[pitbull]

Oh boy, you are the Pablo Picasso of porn now?  heh


I quite enjoy the "I see everything while the rest of you see nothing" spiel.  It never gets old.

I wonder if "brothel manager" sounds better 

[LiveFromUkraine]

I wonder if "brothel manager" sounds better 

Brothel Manager is way too direct of a title. 


Hmm, let's see...  I am thinking AFA Manager, or Love Engineer, or Sexy Time DJ.

[GQBlues]

hmmm.  I have to admit it is a struggle for me to see your application of terms.   Me a pimp ... that's like calling Pablo Picasso a PAINTER.

Oh I don't know that you need to struggle with it at all, JZ2 (Johnny ZonZon). If you'd like, I'll post a screen shot of your website showcasing how you, yourself alone, extended the trouble to harvest your collection of fine women from South America & Eastern Europe to house your magnificent castle you called Castle Caribe, or some kakaminee like that. I don't have the shot right now but can definitely post it again later to maybe help jog your memory a bit, if you'd like.
 
Heck...mewonders why you didn't scout American/Canadian women instead for your intended use and why only from those 2 economically-challenged regions? Any input with that, Pablo?

[Muzh]

Can we please call it the "Adult Entertainment Industry"?   And, is it totally impossible to consider all this as adults, without the conjuring up images of lowest common denominators ...

Ah, prostitution.

I guess I'll stop here. I can bet money I know what follows in the next pages...

[GQBlues]

Now why all of the sudden this was put on the 'hidden' section? LOL...I really didn't see any reason for this, no?
 
Interesting.
 
 
Edit: Aww nevermind. It's 'visible' again. Must be that darn browser again.

[Boethius]

Zon, to have some awareness of the other side of the coin, I suggest you read The Centerfold Syndrome by Gary Brooks.

[IAmZon]

The author defines this attitude as the Centerfold Syndrome. The five elements of the Centerfold Syndrome are voyeurism, objectification, the need for validation, trophyism, and the fear of true intimacy

I don't know about this ...

It is impossible for me to consider this socially.  I it only possible to look inwardly; and as I do, I see only a little application. Certainly, I do not see these five elements as linked, or associated, or necessarily fitting together in a progression.  Perhaps they are a cluster of possible charges?  The author seems to be throwing poop up to the fan to see what sticks to the walls.

1, voyeurism.  This seems to be prevalent in our society with reality TV and internet / smart phone everything (I am socially unplugged - and rarely watch TV).

2, objectification.  There is a supply and demand issue to this - rarity too.  I remember my first Saturday night in Medellin!   I walked through the parque and I NEVER SAW so many beautiful women!  there must have been 300 nines and tens.  By the time I walked three city blocks, it was clear that I was living in a place that required a different standard of measurement.  No longer was there the need to visually recognize a particular physically attractive woman - they were everywhere.  Eastern Europe / Ukraine / South Beach / and parts of the New York and LA are similar.

In such a setting, the importance (value) of female beauty seems to fall because it is not so very scarce.

3, trophyism.  the same psychological issue is seen with luxury purchases LOL.  How many owners are happy with Jaguars, Astin Martins, and expensive racing boats after the newness has worn off?  Most trophy women are just as difficult IMO.


4, fear of true intimacy.  Mombo Jumbo. In most cases, people are not restrictive and selective, and careful, and clear-minded enough ... when it comes to who they allow in their lives.  I find that especially men are quick to feel and think with their eyes, and create premature expectations in the heart.

For me, socially I favor women and am gentle and playful with most women who enter my world - without the slightest imagination of having a sexual relationship.  I especially enjoy giving older women attention and seeing their eyes come to life.
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There is the type of love (bond) that comes through time and familiarity; the type that is a result of experiencing mutual events and overcoming mutual challenges and heart ache.  Certainly, this creates a relationship that eyes and physical attraction alone does not, and can not.  I suppose it is possible for a man to "fall in love" without the use of his eyes - maybe it would probably be a superior method.  But, that does not seem to be the way most men are wired?!?!

[Boethius]

Read the book.

[Donhollio]

But going back to AFA, I laid (no pun) witness to Mr&Mrs John AFA & Mr&Mrs AshleyFOSiberia go at it live on stage one time. I remember Ashley accusing John of prostitution, etc....and John accusing Ashley of having underage women in his profiles, etc...nasty stuff. If any of this was true, who the heck knows but I thought watching the missus throw barbs at each other was a delight. They should've rolled in a mud pen and let them go at it...

   I still vividly remember that scene! What a view from the stands it was! Too bad the audience were bored to tears with the whole show until that scene erupted. What a waste of time that day was eh?
 Anyway maybe someone could invite Ash & wifey back here to chime in on this.
 
 

[Muzh]

   I still vividly remember that scene! What a view from the stands it was! Too bad the audience were bored to tears with the whole show until that scene erupted. What a waste of time that day was eh?
 Anyway maybe someone could invite Ash & wifey back here to chime in on this.

Any Youtube links??

[Donhollio]

 All the juicy stuff got cut from the show, I assume its buried somewhere in the Hollywood hills now. They had their hands full editing the shit down to fit their idea for a show, in the end we men were pretty much seen as Anti American, even though I not an American.

[GQBlues]

All the juicy stuff got cut from the show, I assume its buried somewhere in the Hollywood hills now. They had their hands full editing the shit down to fit their idea for a show, in the end we men were pretty much seen as Anti American, even though I not an American.

LOL. Yeah, that was riot, wasn't it?
 
John actually sat with us before wifey and I was (offered for slaughter) introduced to the audience. Observation 1: John seemed like a very nice man (so did Ashley). he warned us how the crowd is so worked up because the show already over-played the whole AM/FSU pairings to be a page out of the typical MOB saga- Love for passport. Ha-hah! Lonely, sex starved, abusive, fat old men taking advantage of  and marrying much younger, submissive women with model look in exchange for residency and the good life in the great USA (Canada). Of course it didn't help that Don told them he was looking for a " 1950s Stepford-wife type woman in Ukraine to marry' ", LOL.
 
But yes, all of the good stuff found the cutting floor. The show (even the host) got into a lot of heat from the fans, audience, likely the production staff and more than likely the sponsors as well because after that silly show, I believe the production was cancelled the next season. Not even sure if it got syndicated. Maybe it has.
 
I remember even Dan was busy on the show's website chat room following the showing, as the fans - mostly women - really turned against the host for being such a hypocrite by degrading age disparities (amongst other things) when everyone knew she was involved with a man +/-26 years her senior during that time herself. - plus what they perceived as being very rude/unfair to her guests.
 
Well, at least Don got treated like a royalty. 1st class meals, limo to and from LAX, and a 1st class R/T ticket to beautiful Canada (and his entourage). 
 
That was a fun experience, indeed.
 

[Donhollio]

LOL. Yeah, that was riot, wasn't it?
 
John actually sat with us before wifey and I was (offered for slaughter) introduced to the audience. Observation 1: John seemed like a very nice man (so did Ashley). he warned us how the crowd is so worked up because the show already over-played the whole AM/FSU pairings to be a page out of the typical MOB saga- Love for passport. Ha-hah! Lonely, sex starved, abusive, fat old men taking advantage of  and marrying much younger, submissive women with model look in exchange for residency and the good life in the great USA (Canada). Of course it didn't help that Don told them he was looking for a " 1950s Stepford-wife type woman in Ukraine to marry' ", LOL.
 

 
Well, at least Don got treated like a royalty. 1st class meals, limo to and from LAX, and a 1st class R/T ticket to beautiful Canada (and his entourage). 
 
That was a fun experience, indeed.
 

 
 Yeah it was one for the books....  I didn't think it was possible to edit a sentence mid way through, but the Tyra team did just that during my 50's wife bit. They coached me on what to say, and I figured I wasn't going to play, so I added more than what they wanted to hear, and that hit the edit room floor of course. Sitting with John and his wife both seemed very nice, although my time listening to that Ashley Neil guy ripping off some agency's in Odessa was too much. It is a pity that the thread that brought me here has been removed, as I believe it may have been Ashley and his wife's (what a duo)    last stand on RWD.
 But we went out on the town to the Sunset blvd, and took in some music at the Key Club. Didn't see anything of LA except the CBS shoebox of a room my 'entourage' wound up sitting in for hours on end. Overall it was interesting, although I doubt I would ever bother to do it again if asked.

[Flashback]

The truly desperate man. One who has to pay for a tour to pay for prostitutes

I don't have time to read the whole thread, but that is FUNNY! LOL!!!!

[skidoddle]

Hello ALL Here.............. ON AFA

Back in 1996 when I was in Saint Pete, AFA was just starting out there and I stayed away
from all things TOUR GROUPs. I lived there for some time so I got to see these OPERATORs
come into town and DO THEIR THING.............. so to say!!!! 

Being a HIGH TECH ENGINEER and JUST DO IT kinda of a MAN I would not use any of these
TOUR OPERATORs......the more expereinced men here have also stated as such.

However I met the owners of AFA and know exactly what they do. What happens surrounding
the TOURs and MEETINGs. I met alot of men using them and other OPERATORs

I hate to say this GUYs but I also would not hang around most of these men using the TOUR OPERATORs
and in Saint Pete many women KNEW what was going on with them but at the time there was only
one FREE LIST SITE for women at the time in SAINT PETE!!! Many women had to use AFA but I can tell
you this many WOMEN did not go to their CATTLE CALL TOUR GROUPs.

I talked to many many Russian Women at this time and they DID NOT LIKE THESE TOUR GROUPs and
when I met with them personally and interviewed them carefully and with REAL Interest you could
tell they appreciated this INSTEAD OF THE CATTLE CALL TOUR GROUPs. And I always met with them in
very nice surrounding like tea or coffee cafes and ALWAYs with grace paid. Most women I met wanted
to PAY and I knew they had very little money.

Lets just put it this way I would not use any TOUR OPERATOR UNLESS 2-3 men have had successful
meetings and marriages from their sites which happens............................

However many of the TOUR OPERATORs MEETINGs and EVENTs are questionable to say the least!!

My 2 cents on AFA and what I saw with them>>> and talked to Russian women who went to the TOUR GROUP Meetings or "SOCIALs".

Skidoddle