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[IAmZon]

I thought you were against politically correct language? Porn is porn, no?

You are free to use the term of course.  I try to steer away from it, if I can because it suggests a low brow version of things.   There is a difference in my opinion from metart to bang bros ... maybe I am too discerning?  maybe others are not discerning enough?


The world is a bigger place; and all adults are free to chose more, or less,  liberal lifestyles. 

[Ranetka]

You are free to use the term of course.  I try to steer away from it, if I can because it suggests a low brow version of things.   There is a difference in my opinion from metart to bang bros ... maybe I am too discerning?  maybe others are not discerning enough?

Definition of pornographynoun[mass noun]
printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.


That's your business, is not it?


A spade is a spade. Since when you support political correctness, you normally complain about it.


And what about filming a pregnant woman, that was in one of your promo videos, is it high brow or can I call it porn?

[fathertime]

 

HAHA So, Now AFA and Me are "guilty" of Sex Tours - LOL If you ever met me (something I very much doubt would ever happen) you may understand that I would never be the guy collecting $20's outside a third world brothel. If you were ambivalent (let us forget accurate, or prudent!), you would not suggest that I was involved in "cash for sex."  Because that is 1) illegal and 2) untrue.   AH! here we are again, a breath away from suggestions of underage and human trafficking.  Do you see how the courts of Salem must have started?   

Since you have just now denied being involved in prostitution,  which you have already admitted to in a series of posts on the other website, I'm going to post the link to the conversation.  You were very political in the nuanced responses you gave, but anybody with a brain knows what you admitted to:   Here is the link:       [size=78%]http://www.planet-love.com/index.php?topic=7334.350[/size][size=78%]  (you have to be a registered member with 10 posts to see this thread which wound up in the flame room)   starting at around post 370 or maybe before, Zon commenced a long nuanced admission of being involved with prostitution...at one point he said   " [/size] I purposely put myself in a position to not know everything."   but later in the thread more and more information is forced from him. 


[/size]Fathertime! 

[IAmZon]

display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.
[size=78%]That's your business, is not it?[/size]

ME? Personally .. well, not exactly. LOL  Although, I am flattered to get the occasional offer.  It is not that common for such an old broken down man to have certain invitations ...  but THAT is something I have left to other artists.


More to the point in all this is "characterizations", I think.  This stuff is fruitful fodder for the negative presumption.  Of course, there exist sad stories that ought not be ignored.  But, similarly too, there are other examples of human behavior and experience. I think it is fair to give these examples equal weight.  To those that care to be open minded that is(and I am not sure how many that fit this description frequent this place?)


Case in point, here is a beautiful woman I met a year ago.  She is my age!  And she is a successful nurse practitioner - no ignorant, exploited female here!  Yet, she is open minded and comfortable in her body.  That's for sure.  OH! by the way ... she is "happily married for over 20 years."  Again, I am not trying to convince anybody of anything ... I'm just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat.   


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[Boethius]

ME? Personally .. well, not exactly. LOL  Although, I am flattered to get the occasional offer.  It is not that common for such an old broken down man to have certain invitations ...  but THAT is something I have left to other artists.


More to the point in all this is "characterizations", I think.  This stuff is fruitful fodder for the negative presumption.  Of course, there exist sad stories that ought not be ignored.  But, similarly too, there are other examples of human behavior and experience. I think it is fair to give these examples equal weight.  To those that care to be open minded that is(and I am not sure how many that fit this description frequent this place?)


Case in point, here is a beautiful woman I met a year ago.  She is my age!  And she is a successful nurse practitioner - no ignorant, exploited female here!  Yet, she is open minded and comfortable in her body.  That's for sure.  OH! by the way ... she is "happily married for over 20 years."  Again, I am not trying to convince anybody of anything ... I'm just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat.   

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Not that Tim initiated this, but this has a sort of commercial bent.

[Ranetka]

Not that Tim initiated this, but this has a sort of commercial bent.

Boe, I felt I need to provide Mendy with a missing bit of info. When someone writes something it is important to consider the source. As usual ZonZon does not/can not give a straight reply but rather carry on talking about open-mindedness and how other people only know one missionary position, as if you have to be in porn business to know a bit or two about sex .


Since he started to promote his porn seminars here I'd suggest RWD gives him a commercial member status.

[Anotherkiwi]

You are welcome.   Your caravan park would be a "campground" for us.   Some rent out camping spots by the night and some are more a year round place to have a camper and enjoy the outdoors.   The by the night ones may have an RV, parked there, or a camping trailer which can be somewhere between 3 and 10 meters and some of the smaller ones fold up or collapse to make them easier to tow behind a car or pick up.   Some spots people are in may be tents as well.

Same here - different places doing the same thing have different names.  Your "camping trailer" is our "caravan."  Although I've never been camping in a caravan, my brothers and I spent time camping in tents with Dad when we were small.

[CanadaMan]

Definition of pornographynoun[mass noun]
printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

Would your new avatar be considered a form of porn?
Mild titillation?   

[Ranetka]

Would your new avatar be considered a form of porn?
Mild titillation?   

If you like...Myself I see it as mothering lol. Notice how scared and lost the man's eyes are?  He has not found RWD with all the wisdom yet...

[IAmZon]

Since he started to promote his porn seminars here I'd suggest RWD gives him a commercial member status.

Editorially, few links could address the point better.


How many "customers" could possibly come from HERE anyway?  LOL  I began posting here as a person a long time ago.  I weathered more than one character assassination because of my dubious associations.   


At the end of the day, what I do and what my clients do is pretty damn normal - just sexier?  It would not hurt my feelings if I never had to bring this subject up again.  But, I bet you a dollar somebody will come out and say "GOTCHA" a few more times before all this is over.

[Gator]

If you like...Myself I see it as mothering lol. Notice how scared and lost the man's eyes are?  He has not found RWD with all the wisdom yet...

The man in your avatar....was this him when a boy?
 
 

[Gator]

But, I bet you a dollar somebody will come out and say "GOTCHA" a few more times before all this is over.

What makes you think this will ever be over and done?   
 
Many will forever associate you with the adult entertainment industry.  You chose Zon as your RWD name.   Is this similar to Brer Rabbit. " Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch."

[pitbull]

I thought you were against politically correct language? Porn is porn, no?

Exactly. Porn is porn, pimp is pimp, a whore is a whore. A decent family will never allow their daughter to marry a pornographer. That is why Zon's dream to marry a young pretty clean elementary school teacher will never come true. 

[Ranetka]

What makes you think this will ever be over and done?   
 
Many will forever associate you with the adult entertainment industry.  You chose Zon as your RWD name.   Is this similar to Brer Rabbit. " Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch."

As long as Tim is earning money by making porn/selling porn-making seminar there is nothing wrong with associating him with porn business, don't you agree?


I am sure he is a hero of many.


That's how it works - a pornographer is called a pornographer. Plain and simple.

[Ranetka]

   


At the end of the day, what I do and what my clients do is pretty damn normal - just sexier?

What, putting one's vagina on display for the world to see? Not really, not in my books.


And if you yourself considered it "normal" you would not fly across the world to find someone "pure" who does not know how you earn your living.

[IAmZon]

That is why Zon's dream to marry a young pretty clean elementary school teacher will never come true.

HaHaHa! Elementary school teacher ...  I hired one last year. She taught art.  That's her on the home page.  She was a part time fetish model all during her employment.  Such is the presumption of narrow minded fools  LOL


You seem to think I am hollow in need of "something"  ( a wife? ).   And the ONLY way for me to fill it is to fabricate an illusion to some woman who presumably is as narrow minded as some of you?   


PLEASE!  What do you think happens to all the beautiful women that pose nude after the age of 28?  Do you think they disappear  or go to a nunnery, or go  to some holding cell awaiting punishment for their transgressions.  No!   And, how do you think this group of women view me and my questionable associations?  There is still life afterall.

[pitbull]

HaHaHa! Elementary school teacher ...  I hired one last year. She taught art.  That's her on the home page.  She was a part time fetish model all during her employment.  Such is the presumption of narrow minded fools  LOL


You seem to think I am hollow in need of "something"  ( a wife? ).   And the ONLY way for me to fill it is to fabricate an illusion to some woman who presumably is as narrow minded as some of you?   


PLEASE!  What do you think happens to all the beautiful women that pose nude after the age of 28?  Do you think they disappear  or go to a nunnery, or go  to some holding cell awaiting punishment for their transgressions.  No!   And, how do you think this group of women view me and my questionable associations?  There is still life afterall.

Call it narrow minded. But the fact is decent women, and their families will always shun you. Being in porn business and managing brothels is seen as despicable by the kind of women that you so desire. Not so long ago you yourself wrote that you'll never marry one of these (hmmm whores) models    as this is all dirty waters area. And you wanted a pure decent woman. Wonder why the hot ukrainian teacher dropped you like a piece of sh.t once she found out how you make your living.


As requested-no PC from me. 

[mendeleyev]

Thanks again Ranetka for the missing info.

As someone related to a real artist, I cringe when attempts are made to portray porn as art. Oh well.

[IAmZon]

the fact is decent women, and their families will always shun you. Being in porn business and managing brothels is seen as despicable by the kind of women that you so desire. Not so long ago you yourself wrote that you'll never marry one of these (hmmm whores) models

I was with one of those women and her family 5 years ago ... the kind that CERTAINLY were too proper to permit the company of a person like me, with my dubious associations.  That did not make me happy - far from it.


I will not marry a person that I feel incomplete with; and increasingly, I feel no need whatsoever to become married at all.  Without children there is no need.   And, with the life style that is available to me, I can not say I am painfully lonely, or lack excitement. We enter this world and leave it alone.  Perhaps far too much is made of this thing called marriage in the first place?  Indeed, most of the people here, however interesting, have TRIED marriage much more than PROVEN it.  Just food for thought.

[Ranetka]

Thanks for the link and it's good to see you are kind of accepting who you really are lol. There was one question you always curtailed when asked.  From the website:


Zon started a travel promotion company featuring exotic adventures with leading porn stars of the day.


[/size]Does it mean you advertise a brothel too?

[IAmZon]

Advertise a particular "brothel"  not really.   I marketed dreams - I still do.  In some places, the entire cities turns into a de facto brothel at night.  IF a person desires to partake, it is no mystery, nor does it take a middleman.


Here is a counter-intuitive set of findings that may make the pious group here red faced, or confused.   I have learned in life to expect these types of surprises ... and to continue to explore and grow.

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[mendeleyev]

Ah, they're doing great I see.

Additionally, porn actresses were more likely to have had a problem with alcohol and to report having used 10 different types of drugs in their lifetime. They also reported more marijuana use during the past six months compared with other women.

Sounds to me like hiding from reality and masking pain. A control group of 167 females? What, was Pamela Anderson not available to participate? Speaking of "personal growth" as you alluded to earlier, based on boob size alone she could have brought the sample size to 185.

the pious group here

Were one less than a real man he'd begin to paint anyone who doesn't share his view as old-fashioned, narrow minded, prudish, overly religious, mentally challenged and out of touch. Cheap attacks on topics like this often assert that those folk who have differing views suffer from sexual issues stemming from childhood or upbringing/environment or that they are unhealthy from a lack of sex. One of the most infantile approaches is to charge that those of another view don't even like sex. One could claim that perhaps they're probably even Tea Party members not even important enough to be contacted by the IRS.

I hope that won't happen in this thread but I'm busy and probably won't bother checking back that often.

[ML]

That is why Zon's dream to marry a young pretty clean elementary school teacher will never come true. 

I am not speaking about the appropriateness of porn here, but
. . . don't fall into the common misconception about elementary school teachers, librarians, Church Sunday school teachers, etc.

They can, just as any woman regardless of profession or family upbringing, be totally wild and uninhibited sexually.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

[CanadaMan]

If you like...Myself I see it as mothering lol. Notice how scared and lost the man's eyes are?  He has not found RWD with all the wisdom yet...

Yeah I see it more as mothering too.
It was just all in good fun. 
BTW I think that avatar is really cool!

[Mod3]

Respect the right of everyone to seek happiness.
But we do not condone posting links to adult sites or promotion of sex tourism.
Stay within the limits.