Beaten in Odessa

[Stirlitz]

Wow. What a terrible story. Not typical for Odessa for the last decade or so (while things like this happened in the 1990s almost on a daily basis). Odessa has been quite a safe place in this century, and this is rather an exclusion.

I am supposed to say I am sorry for the victim... but I am not hypocritical. It looks like he was asking for it:

He had been here last October, and I tried to help him then, but he insisted on going through Anastasia website. He had even bought a book to help him understand the culture and what to do here and what not to do here, but was still put together for a $325 dinner. You know the drill, led to the back room, given the best possible service, the girl ordering for him without ever showing him the menu, expensive wine or alcohol, etc. He just sat by as all of this happened.

This is a diagnosis as we say in Russian and what happened had been wanting to happen. I do not mean to be harsh or mocking, simply stating the facts. I have seen it too often. Time and time again I have customers who are addicted to "The A"-like agencies with their scammer techniques, suspicious women and so-called translators, and reject the way that I offer — to use free online agencies instead, take care of all your arrangements on your own or through a third party. Sometimes they come back scammed, sometimes they just give it up and disappear but I never hear of success. Though no one has ever come back beaten, fortunately, but now I see that this is an option too. Maybe this case will help the newbies to realize that it is actually dangerous to use commercial agencies. Not only to the wallet as it turns out. And it is important to have someone cover you.

It doesn't make any sense. The girl in the appartement asked the victim to open the door if i read well. Why she will send him to open the door if she knows that her BF is in front of the door ?

It does make sense. Now she can claim she has no idea who the attackers were, and when it all had happened, they took her away by force, kept her as a hostage and threatened to kill her and her family if she ever went to the police.

If she herself had opened the door, she would look more likely an accomplice. When you are in someone’s apartment you are not supposed to answer doors or phones. There must be a good reason for this, for example the owner directly asking you and you knowing who is coming.

Note to future travellers - if a RW is very young and looks like a model make sure she does not have a rich Russian or Ukrainian boyfriend.  They tend to be jealous and believe their above the law.

This is not impossible (because nothing is impossible) but the thing is there are very few 'rich boyfriends’ available nowadays while 'young model look RW' are abound.

I have not seen anything like this in my experience. Girls with rich boyfriends might date foreigners but in my books this is the last thing on the very, very long list what else they can do if they want to have fun.

This is all to avoid the word 'b***s**t'.

[vaiano777]

Update

Since the last post, the victim has been to the Police station numerous times. He has also been to the Radio Renok in Pasolik Kotoskogo in an attempt to locate his stolen things, unsuccessfully I might add. Nothing has been recovered as of yet. However, his goal and highest priority has been to recover his things since the first day, and he has 30 ipads, and many laptops and computers as that is what he needs to run his business in the United States. He is a programmer among other things, and so, bringing 2 laptops and 2 ipads was the least he felt he could bring in order to set up a remote office to continue running the family business from Ukraine, as was his original plan when he returned here in mid-January.

The girl had been arrested, but has been released on her own recognizance since this is her first offense of any kind. She awaits trial at home.

One of the men has been arrested and remains in custody. He is not talking and the second man has not been found. The girl claims that she had never met those men prior to that day and that moment, but the story is not believed. The story being spun is that some guy arranged all of this from prison. That story is not believed either. I would not be surprised if this girl was convinced that this was a good idea from one of her friends or a boyfriend. Like I said, the fact that the sash/belt from her coat, the second jacket, and the weapon had been left behind told me this was not the job of professionals.

An attorney has been retained, and numerous meetings have taken place between the police and the attorney in an attempt to move the proceedings along. However, if the victim does not remain in Ukraine for the trial, in all likelihood, the perpetrators will walk free and a trial will not take place.

I also called in a favor to one of the top appellate judges in the Odessa region, and he was more than happy to help to keep these people in prison, however, he said that he cannot truly help until the case hits the courtroom.

The victim was cleared to fly finally. His ribs are still sore, his balance is not 100% and neither is his hearing. The swelling around his eyes and his face has gone down, and he only has a little blood in the whites of his eyes now. The hole near his ear has healed as well. He is expected to fly out tomorrow. He wants nothing more than to get home at this point.

This means that this case will probably never go to trial, and the perpetrators will most likely walk free. The victim just wants to get out of here and get back to America where he can visit American doctors and finish the remainder of his recovery.

All of the positive comments have been appreciated by me as well as the victim. I have pictures of the blood going up the walls, the victim himself, and the mini-police report that was produced, but I will not release anything until the victim tells me it is ok.

Also, he (the victim) is lucid and still determined to find himself a good wife, but only time will tell where he will find her. No, there are no links to any media outlets for this story, as I have respected the victim's wish to not share too much detail until he is out of the country. This is the way he prefers it, and this is the procedure I have followed. However, I do believe that the victim will be talking very soon. Perhaps he will make a visit here.

The girl whom I said helped to run the local dating agency where the girl (perpetrator) had signed up and created her original profile turned out to just be a second plant from AnastasiaDate since I was not willing to work with the first woman from Moscow named Olena who had been sent by Anastasia. The second girl's name was Katya and she spun the story that they (the dating agency) had helped to bring the girl to the police station originally. She said that the girl originally denied everything until she got to the police station, and then she started talking, and confessed. Katya was identified by a former Anastasia translator who had had numerous dealing with her in the recent past. But, like I said above, it looks like nothing will come of it since the victim will be leaving and is unwilling to remain here any longer. 

The fact that one of the higher ups of Anastasia created a profile for the express purpose of talking about this specific case should add all of the credibility needed to know that I have not lied, or tried to embellish, or mislead anyone here. I've tried to post to the highest level that my conscience and the victim would allow. I used my own discretion, and since I have never been in this position before, I am sure I have made many mistakes, but my intention has always been to help the victim and to help others to prevent them from loss of time, energy, effort, money, and now their safety. I want anyone who comes to this part of the world to be able to experience all of the amazing people, experiences, and women whom I have been able to interact with.

The victim himself educated me on what a "shill" is. A "shill" is a person planted on a forum for the express purpose of discrediting a negative post about some large organization or government. A "shill" actually follows a procedure to help erode the credibility of the original poster or just turn the topic away from the original post. I don't think anyone who spoke negatively about me, my story, my intentions, honesty, or credibility was a shill, but to those people, I thank you too for the opportunity to learn how to deal with an insane amount of scrutiny.

I know some questions remain unanswered, and hope to be able to answer them soon. If you have any specific questions or concerns, please feel free to send me an email or a private message here as I will check my messages from time to time.

I wish you all a safe and fruitful journey wherever you are, wherever you go, and whatever you'd like to achieve.

The victim and I both thank you all for all of the positive support.

[vaiano777]

There is a post on the other website detailing the capture of the perpetrators in this case. The age of the victim was off by a year as I understand it, and the police station mentioned was not the one where the victim and his mother repeatedly went to talk to the police or handle their business. But, other than that, it appears there is a link confirming what I have reported here.

[AnonMod]

There are two separate links to articles on this forum, together with a poster's kind translation.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15566.msg323101#msg323101

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15566.msg323114#msg323114

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15566.msg323107#msg323107

[BillyB]

However, if the victim does not remain in Ukraine for the trial, in all likelihood, the perpetrators will walk free and a trial will not take place.

 
Is that right? If someone is killed and could not testify, would the killers go free too? If the cops have real evidence, that should be enough for a conviction or maybe the victim's testamony is the only thing they have to prosecute? Not fair to the victim to spend more money to have to come back to Ukraine for a lengthly trial. Criminals in this case will walk free and keep all they stole. Doesn't make the Ukrainian justice system look good but I didn't expect different.

[Hammer2722]

I guess this is what passes for justice in Ukraine. No surprises there....

[CDW]

 
Is that right? If someone is killed and could not testify, would the killers go free too? If the cops have real evidence, that should be enough for a conviction or maybe the victim's testamony is the only thing they have to prosecute? Not fair to the victim to spend more money to have to come back to Ukraine for a lengthly trial. Criminals in this case will walk free and keep all they stole. Doesn't make the Ukrainian justice system look good but I didn't expect different.

Just hire Oscar Pitrious!!

[Gator]

Vaiano,
 
Again I highly commend you for your Good Samaritan effort.  Your named is marked as "Commercial Member."  That being the case, you impress me as someone who not only can be trusted, but who actually cares.   That is important. 
 
Thank you for the reports.

[calmissile]

Vaiano,
 
Again I highly commend you for your Good Samaritan effort.  Your named is marked as "Commercial Member."  That being the case, you impress me as someone who not only can be trusted, but who actually cares.   That is important. 
 
Thank you for the reports.

+1

[gafocker]

Vaiano,
 
Again I highly commend you for your Good Samaritan effort.  Your named is marked as "Commercial Member."  That being the case, you impress me as someone who not only can be trusted, but who actually cares.   That is important. 
 
Thank you for the reports.

+1

[cobra]

To answer I am in Ukraine monthly and have interaction with the embassy.  Still not reported to the USA embassy.  I just came back from Ukraine as well.  I would like to help but hard when it is never reported to embassy and only reported locally and story reported is different than what is here.

Its tragic this happens but I see no mention of Anastiaweb in any media.  Appears the people involved will get off as well.  Appears the victim is flying home without going through trial. 

Appears there are many sides of this story and would be nice if the victim tells the embassy.

To the OP how could you have the wrong police station if your actively involved?

[jone]

Cobra,

For what purpose are you on this forum?  You have repeatedly bashed the op.  I personally checked out facets of his story and found them to be true.  My assessment of you is that you are someone planted on here to give dis-information.

FYI:

1.  It is 'US Embassy', not 'USA Embassy'.
2.  The term is 'you're', not 'your'.
3.  It is 'AnastasiaDate', not 'Anastasiaweb'.

What I find funny is that a translation program would not catch these errors, but they are blatant to an American.

If you are who you say you are, who are your contacts with the US(A) Embassy?  What is your connection - obviously a foreigner who would not have any direct contact.   I know many of the people in Kyiv.  So I will follow in your tracks and ask them myself.  (That is, if you really contacted them in the first place.)   We would like to know because right now, all your (you're) doing is unloading a pile of Sh**T.

We don't believe for a minute that you 'Would Like to Help'.  Instead we see you for who and what you are.  You are simply here to cast doubts about someone that has proved himself in this instance.

Crawl back into your hole and wait for your next attack victim.  But we will be watching.

[TheTraveler]

 
Is that right? If someone is killed and could not testify, would the killers go free too? If the cops have real evidence, that should be enough for a conviction or maybe the victim's testamony is the only thing they have to prosecute? Not fair to the victim to spend more money to have to come back to Ukraine for a lengthly trial. Criminals in this case will walk free and keep all they stole. Doesn't make the Ukrainian justice system look good but I didn't expect different.

if it were me, i'd testify against people who tried to kill me.  hell yeah!

and if the victim won't testify, why should the police pursue it?

in the usa, police will drop a case if the victim won't testify.  should the justice system be required to give a shit more than the victim?

and it's not the same as can't testify (eg murder victim).  courts will most definitely still pursue justice in those situations.

[vaiano777]

Vaiano,
 
Again I highly commend you for your Good Samaritan effort.  Your named is marked as "Commercial Member."  That being the case, you impress me as someone who not only can be trusted, but who actually cares.   That is important. 
 
Thank you for the reports.

gafocker

calmissile

Thank you guys for your kind words. I only wish I could have done more. The victim has returned to the US, and he hasn't contacted me. He did contact his former translator to try to get something from the police, but to no avail. I could probably get it for him if he'd communicate with me, but alas, I can only help someone open to being helped. The victim is such a good guy too. I like him a lot and feel horrible that this happened to him.

To the guy who is talking about the embassy, I have the contact number from the US Embassy who interviewed him on Sunday, the morning after we brought the victim into the hospital. I actually met her, and she called me twice after that. Also, I have the contact info for the "Consulate Contact" in Odessa, a man connected to some church here who has been here from the US for eleven years with his wife and kids. So, I am not really sure what you are talking about. The embassy provided the victim with a new passport so he could go home. Also, they were in constant contact with the victim, his mother, and a friend who communicated with them constantly and throughout the process.

If any of you know anyone who needs help in Odessa, I am here to help. You can send them to my website or have them send me a PM. I will help as much as I can.

God Bless and thanks again for the kind words.

[cobra]

No offense to the posters in this board you have no clue how many people have been killed and beaten in past 5 years in Odessa.  We need people who are victims to come clean on real story and speak with the embassy.  For the grammar police like jone what is your background and does it matter if US or USA embassy (I assume not everyone on this forum is from USA?)?  To the OP I saw the reports on your case and we are not seeing the entire story and I think the victim does not want this public.  That's great you have the number to the embassy did you go there with the victim?  Regarding new passport takes 2 hours to get a passport and you need one to get home.  What I don't understand the victim visited the embassy but did not officially tell them what happened on record.

I came to this forum do to the incident below and see if some connection to below and others.  There has been 13 Americans killed in Odessa in past 5 years and hundreds beaten.  Very few ever get officially reported to the embassy. 

I am sure many know about this case (one of the few that went public):

Ukraine - A husband was murdered in front of his wife, and she injured in their hotel room in Odessa, Ukraine.

The American couple who are from Tampa, Florida where on vacation in Ukraine when a perp entered their hotel room took their money, stabbed to death 52-year-old Asaf Yehudeev and injured his wife.

Odessa and Southern Ukraine Chief Rabbi, Rabbi Avraham Wolf, is working to prevent an autopsy, and as soon as the body is released they are flying to New York with the help of Misaskim.

Police are investigating the murder and no arrests have been made as of this time.

[JayH]

Curious how people come and go on the forums-- Cobra comes and comments on one specific case  and then adds nothing more in months.It is interesting as recently there has been a newbie floating around name George/Gregory that also wants to excuse AD-- excuse in general.

[jazztropy]

A fine example of a shill.  Sometimes, it makes it harder to detect these when others defend the shill's words blindly without examining their posting patterns first.