My thoughts about Russian and Eastern European women

[BillyB]

just a comment:
I have been dating 3 Russian woman during the last 7 years, that was exactly like Tim say.
Lying, telling stories (and not the truth),  haveing sex with all men they meet, and are ohhh so family oriented.. all wanted merriage. WITH EVERYBODY at the same time!
Bull*snip* the Russian woman dating scene, it is the biggest scam on the net so far!!
I had  one gf in Moscow, one in Saint Petersburg and one from small town near Krasnodar.( and NOT at the same time)
They are all the same!!
avoid Russian woman!
or be prepared to loose a lot of money !!

Bongo, maybe you need to re-evaluate your methods of finding and evaluating a woman. Is it possible you have a habit in making bad choices such as going after girls that use their bodies to attract men such as the ones sending you hot photos? Or going after women that quickly says she loves you and sends you kisses within a few letters?  If I walk into a trailor park searching for a woman, there is a very good chance I'd find trailor trash. Through correspondence, you should be able tell something of a woman's character. If the girl is never availiable to answer the phone Friday and Saturday evenings, she's probably banging other men and of course I wouldn't even think of a first visit with a woman who likes too much nightlife and attention. As of now, you've struck out 3 times and people are going to question your batting average, not all RW.

[Admin]

just a comment:
I have been dating 3 Russian woman during the last 7 years, that was exactly like Tim say.
Lying, telling stories (and not the truth),  haveing sex with all men they meet, and are ohhh so family oriented.. all wanted merriage. WITH EVERYBODY at the same time!
Bull*snip* the Russian woman dating scene, it is the biggest scam on the net so far!!
I had  one gf in Moscow, one in Saint Petersburg and one from small town near Krasnodar.( and NOT at the same time)
They are all the same!!
avoid Russian woman!
or be prepared to loose a lot of money !!

 Possible troll

bongo,

You have made three posts and each one has been an unsubstantiated criticism of RW. At this point, it appears to me you may be a troll, here just to stir trouble, so I have flagged your account for special attention.

- Dan

[bongo]

to Dan and BillyB

Didnt look for woman with hot bodies ever. And not in parks!
Lets take the last one:
two graduations, good work, average look.( on a good day maybe an 8 as maximum, never she used sexy clothes)- actually a very shy person in her apeareance.
Wrote me on daily basic.
We used phones, ( also on daily basic)met in all vacations ( guess who paid?)
And her promises where pure and clear: she loved me and was ready to marry me in my home country..then the virus that showed me I had been fooled for years.
And her own comments to that?
well.. bad excuses.. she just wanted to find the richest guy and was in her full right to do what she wanted. And asked: how could you be so foolish to belive that she had no boyfriend in Russia? men always loved me..
And she disapeared in silence. No phones worked, no mails work anymore.
And remember it was same week she had told me that NOW it was about time to leave Russia to live with me.
The One before that: Not as bad as the other, but also lied in several occations, thanked me for a nice vacation in my home country by stealing some money.
Long story too.
The first of those 3: I went to visit her, and could not recognize her in the airport, (no hot pictures too, an average woman,6 in look on pictures, in real life a 3, overweight) she was drunk when I saw her first time.
Simply found out that those 3 RW I have known, simply lied. That Russian woman think differently than western woman - and I don't say all woman in western world are nice woman, hell not!!, and also not saying that all RW are fake liars, but it looks like the amount of bad woman are a lot higher in Russia, and the morale is lower.
The last case I know of is a mail-friend during 2 years from USA that merriaged a Russian woman, and then she changed totally.
From nice wonderful woman to ...
He is now fighting not to loose his house, money and so on, he is in deep trouble.
 
and I can ashure you I followed all rules:

met their families ( not the first woman) in their home country, never send money. But gave a lot of presents and used a lot of money to visit them. also they visited me. ( and guess who paid that also).
Especially the last one, that got virus on her PC was a notorious liar.
and I can proof that!
Example: I can from those mails set up a time line, and  if she wrote me: I am going to Mountains next week with family, no mobiles can be used in mountains, so don't worry if I don't answer.blah blah...miss you.. kisss blah blah..
The real reason was a German man visiting her for a week..
So if you think I have any good opinions about RW, you can forget it.
if this board is to talk nice about them only, then it is not a discussion-board.
Then it is a promotion board..

When I say RW I mean woman from former Soviet Union, not only Russia.

A troll? well I try to warn about them, don't want anybody to experience wha tI have experienced,  and wil go on doing that, if not here, I will in all other possible places. So that men that search for Russian woman know what they are dealing with.
Maybe there are some on this board that was lucky, I congratilate you, no problem!
But can tell that I know 23 couples in my country where the guy all where fooled after merriage, all got divorced the day the woman could stay here legally. Not all Russian, but a mix from:
Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Belarious, Uzbetistan, and Poland
Only I know one couple where the woman is Polish that looks like a succes. A wonderfull woman!
So don't tell me I don't know about the whole Russian woman dating scene, I have used 8 valueble years of my life to study Russian woman.

using Agencies? ( I never have), the last I met here in my home country, she was on a vacation with a girlfriend) and the love started (the fake love) slowly during the first year of mail writing. Then all the meetings, millions of presents, vacations... a normal love story, only difference was she had several men that also visited her in her home country, send presents, also she visited at least one of them, for vacation purpuse only. And a Russian boyfriend at the same time. Where she hided him during my visits where I lived in her flat is still a mysterium.
To the story about those vrus mails: she also huntd a marriaged Russian guy, but he didnt want divorce be course of her.
A long story, too long to write in details.
And YES I have re-valueated my search methods: I avoid woman from the former soviet Union.
Have any of you ever been on boards with Russian men? to listen to their experiences?
Or boards where western men that where fooled tell their stories?
Too many similar stories to say it is just me that was unlucky or found them in a park.
Anyway, I can understand this is a board to talk nice about Russian woman, and not other opinions allowed, I will stop posting and stick to other boards, not a problem.

Another thing: I have discussed my own experiences with several Russian woman living in my country, one of them told me: forget about finding a woman that want you for love in Russia, but I can give you addresses to woman that would like you to visit them, they would expect presents, but never expect them to leave Russia, most woman don't want that.
Russian men in general say: never treat a Russian woman nice, if you do, they will fool you. Never tell them you love them, always keep them unsecure on where you are and what you are doing, let them hunt you.
That was the last words from me.
No comments needed, I will not listen anyway.!! Too risky to do that and try another Russian woman?
HA! I had enough bad experiencs, allready

[Maxx2]

I wonder if Tim7 is the same as Jim7/Jim07/Jim007 over at RWG. He listed his residence in his profile as Belleview Mental hospital.

I do not understand the reference in regard to viruses

To the story about those vrus mails: she also huntd a marriaged Russian guy, but he didnt want divorce be course of her.

I regard to the rest of it that I can understand. Most of the guys that go over there haven't got a clue. So perhaps their failure rate is as bad a Bongo/Tim7/Jim7/Jim07/Jim007 said?

Maxx

[Joe Kerr]

met in all vacations ( guess who paid?)

The One before that: Not as bad as the other, but also lied in several occations, thanked me for a nice vacation in my home country by stealing some money.
 
and I can ashure you I followed all rules:

met their families ( not the first woman) in their home country, never send money. But gave a lot of presents and used a lot of money to visit them. also they visited me. ( and guess who paid that also).

So don't tell me I don't know about the whole Russian woman dating scene, I have used 8 valueble years of my life to study Russian woman.

Then all the meetings, millions of presents, vacations... a normal love story, only difference was she had several men that also visited her in her home country, send presents, also she visited at least one of them, for vacation purpuse only.

No comments needed, I will not listen anyway.!! Too risky to do that and try another Russian woman?
HA! I had enough bad experiencs, allready

I don't have 8 years of experience with Russian women but it sounds like the women really enjoyed the vacations and millions of presents.  Good thing your too smart for the money for the visa and ticket scam.  If money is your bait, your sure to catch the dreaded Russian shark.  

On the other hand, I now stand corrected about never seeing a post from a guy who gave up his Russian women addiction.  Bongo, remember many of old timers are married to FSU women and generalizations about these women include their wives.  They may take offense at you implying their wives are liars and fakes even if there seems to a lot of deception in this field on all sides.  Caveat emptor.

[PeeWee]

Bongo said, "Russian men in general say: never treat a Russian woman nice, if you do, they will fool you. Never tell them you love them, always keep them unsecure on where you are and what you are doing, let them hunt you."

Has anyone else heard this? It does make sense as that is really what women want, at least AW do. The want the bad boy, the jerk, and nice guys never seem to win with AW as they always seem to be attracted to the guys who treat them like crap. It could be the same with RW, according to what Bongo says.

Peewee

[coco]

Where do you come from Bongo?

[Shadow]

I hope Bongo shows that he is a man of his word.

I will stop posting and stick to other boards, not a problem.

[acrzybear]

Bongo said, "Russian men in general say: never treat a Russian woman nice, if you do, they will fool you. Never tell them you love them, always keep them unsecure on where you are and what you are doing, let them hunt you."

Has anyone else heard this? It does make sense as that is really what women want, at least AW do. The want the bad boy, the jerk, and nice guys never seem to win with AW as they always seem to be attracted to the guys who treat them like crap. It could be the same with RW, according to what Bongo says.


 Well this might be true, but I won't lower my values or standards for anyone.¦nbsp; I don't see how two people can be together if they don't share the same values and some of the same thoughts (ie stealing/lying are wrong, how to raise children so they know the difference between right and wrong etc...)¦nbsp; I'd rather be single then to compromise my beliefs.

But that's just me

[catzenmouse]

That was the last words from me.
No comments needed, I will not listen anyway.!! Too risky to do that and try another Russian woman?
HA! I had enough bad experiencs, allready

If that isn't the definition of a troll I don't know what is. bongo you have just been added to "ignore"

Perhaps you and timdatrollboy ought to get together and have a RW bit@h fit. Maybe you can even become a couple as you seem to have so much in common.

Ken

[BillyB]

Tough crowd.

[acrzybear]

I think I found a photo of Bong

[Slings_and_Arrows]

Bongo, maybe you need to re-evaluate your methods of finding and evaluating a woman. Is it possible you have a habit in making bad choices such as going after girls that use their bodies to attract men such as the ones sending you hot photos? Or going after women that quickly says she loves you and sends you kisses within a few letters?  If I walk into a trailor park searching for a woman, there is a very good chance I'd find trailor trash. Through correspondence, you should be able tell something of a woman's character. If the girl is never availiable to answer the phone Friday and Saturday evenings, she's probably banging other men and of course I wouldn't even think of a first visit with a woman who likes too much nightlife and attention. As of now, you've struck out 3 times and people are going to question your batting average, not all RW.

BillyB, as always.... you're right on target man.  I couldn't agree more.

Bongo and others,
Bottom line is, I think 90% of the men here are honestly looking for a lady in the FSU, because well.. the choices in their home country plain out suck donkey ballz.  I don't mean to generalize, but man... of all the women I've met since my divorce to a canadian gal (who I believe was now a GcG) have just been insane.  Unfotunately, the ones I wanted and were my type were married already!

Keep searching.  Keep your goals in front of you and focus on what you want like a lazer.  forget the rest, even if she looks like an international super model.

[TomT]

I wonder if Tim7 is the same as Jim7/Jim07/Jim007 over at RWG.

I noticed the Timmy/Jimmy similarity, also, especially in reqard to his style of oblique answers to other posters.

Despite Timmy's warning, I naively came to Kiev with the intention of visiting only one girl. At the moment, she is on my right in the Internet cafe. I will be returning to the U.S. on 16 May.

In a way, it is a pity that Timmy was banned. His self-destructive attitude made him an excellent negative role model for others.

Anyway, I have to run to a cash machine so that I can get a few thousand dollars to leave with my girl. I can only withdraw $500 each day, so I had better get cracking. (For those of you who don't know me very well, I'm kidding.)

[wiz]

So that men that search for Russian woman know what they are dealing with.

Maybe there are some on this board that was lucky, I congratilate you, no problem!
But can tell that I know 23 couples in my country where the guy all where fooled after merriage, all got divorced the day the woman could stay here legally. Not all Russian, but a mix from:
Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Belarious, Uzbetistan, and Poland
Only I know one couple where the woman is Polish that looks like a succes. A wonderfull woman!
So don't tell me I don't know about the whole Russian woman dating scene, I have used 8 valueble years of my life to study Russian woman.

These 23 couples did by any chance had a huge difference in age, like a 50-60 yrs old man and the woman was in her 20's-30's ??????

Any man who looks for an arm candy and a trophy wife he should expect that will happen and he is going to be used! I can give you several examples from here too! These men are vain and they pay the price.

Why should a young woman in her twenties accept to have sex with an old fart like me (I am 61 yrs) apart from the purpose of getting her passport and freedom to better her life?

If I was a millionaire she maybe decide to stay around until I kicked the bucket, for getting my money. After all using her beauty, her major asset in life is not a crime! It is up to me to know what I want to do, so why complain?

As far as I know any woman married to a British man, when she comes to UK she only gets a fiance Visa for 2 years, which does not allow her to claim Nationality and get a British passport and has to renew her visa. She needs to be here for 5 years Legally.

If a man in 2 years time can not get to know his wife well and know with what type of person he is dealing then he is fool and deserves whatever he gets!

[Son of Clyde]

No, I think TomT could be Tom T Hall the Country singer/songwriter. 

Is it true Tom?

[TomT]

Clyde,

You are not even close; singing and songwriting are not my forte. I can dance to his tunes, though.


Billy,

International dating would be some much simpler if there were certain key words that we could use as a reliable barometer for insincerity! Unfortunately, some girls will use tender words to communicate their interest in pursuing a relationship and some girls will not. You should consider the possibility that your caution about the use of the word, "kisses," reflects a personal sensitivity rather than sound, established principles.

 

[BillyB]

Billy,

You should consider the possibility that your caution about the use of the word, "kisses," reflects a personal sensitivity rather than sound, established principles.

Caution of the use of "kisses" has nothing to do with personal sensitivity and has everything to do with sound, established principles. Two years ago I might have been more turned on by the women who sign off with kisses but after joining a RW forum, hearing Jay Patches say over and over to the tune of RW don't fall in love with people they ever met and my experience writing women, I changed my mind and recommend men sticking with women who exercise caution towards strangers on the internet.