The differences between AW and RW... What are/were you looking for?

[Kuna]

Thank you Ken... That's probably the best summary of differences I've read in here. 

jb... That's exactly the point I was trying to get to...  I don't know why some people are so adamant RW and AW are the same yet they've gone to FSU to find a wife because they don't like AW.  It just doesn't make sense???  In my original post I was trying to dig into "What the differences are..." because I'm sure there are differences.  I've dated a Russian girl here and I'll tell ya she was definitely different!    (And not all of those differences were good differences by the way)

Fiance... I agree that there's a perception out there for some that RW are submissive.  If any man has any power of observation and has spent time with one they'll realise this is a myth! If they were submissive I wouldn't be looking to UKR for a possible partner... What a lot of people don't understand though is that there is a difference between assertiveness and aggression.

Oh, with changing your nickname... if there's no features maybe Dan can help if he has access to the DB file?  It depends on the relationships in the database but it should be a basic hack if he doesn't mind.

Have to agree with all of KenC's points, and fiancee's character question too, but I can also see where Richard is coming from.

 Deep down, women are women no matter what country they claim, they have the same wants and needs, they want to love, and be loved. My relationship with Nataly actually isn't that different than previous ones I've had with American girls. All the stuff Ken listed is absolutely true, but it still comes down to a woman and a man, and how compatible they are together. Yes, I love her traditional values, but like fiancee said, Russian women are not submissive, I'm still expected to help out around the house, she doesn't wait for me "naked with a cold beer in hand", if she cooks dinner I better wash the dishes, and so on.

 Russian women are not some sort of creature from 'fantasy land'.

 One thing most AW and RW have in common, they love to shop! Maybe that is one of those universal traits, it crosses all borders!

Jinx,  I believe all women DO share the same biological drivers but I'm interested in the differences.  By the way I don't think a love of shopping is one of those biological drivers...     I've dated women that HATED shopping!  Strange I know... but true.

Female biological drivers? Safety, security and stability.  Why?  Because they're nurturers and they seek a safe place to raise a family.  I'm not saying all women WANT a family but I think it's a very rare women that will go through life without having children and not look back and regret it... even if just a little bit.  I know 'em, trust me.  In my local community it's become "cool" to not want kids and when I meet a girl who feels like it's time to take a break from the career to have some kids I have NO inclination to be the fixer for the problem they created for themselves. 

I don't have a bodyclock and I'm in no rush to find THE ONE who I will share children with.

Male biological drivers?  Sex. I'm not making light of it but for many men it's all that matters.  Having a bad day?  Have sex = feel better.  Feeling a bit down?  Have sex = feel better.  We want more things like respect, appreciation, etc but women want these things too.  We just need it displayed in a different way.

Anyway, this thread was to explore the DIFFERENCES not the similarities.  I understand some men think there are no differences but as I said earlier if that was true what the heck are they doing in FSU???

Kuna

[Muj]

Depends on your idea of a good deal dear.  The $$, time, and personal investments prove high but worthwhile if you are truly interested and comitted.  I know of one case of a man in his early 50's looking for a bargain wife and so far finds many difficulties.

[Rvrwind]

Well I'm glad Jinx understood what I was tryng to get across. Everybody else is concerned with only the surface stuff. Deep down inside, women are women & no matter how different they are on the outside & how diverse their character, within' they are all basically the same. The same wants, needs & desires. Some change with age but for the most part they don't.
Even Kuna admitted it after argueing against it:

Jinx,  I believe all women DO share the same biological drivers but I'm interested in the differences.

The differences you mention are not at the core, they are only surface differences, somewhat like having ten Ford 150's with different paint jobs & options. Get down to the frame & they are all the same truck! Same goes for women. Not comparing women to trucks by any stretch, just using it as an example, so don't misundertake me.
Even those AW you alude to Ken are the same. They may do all the things you say & dress the way you say & probably do. But you get past all that, into what really makes the women a woman & they are identical for the most part.

[I/O]

I understand some men think there are no differences but as I said earlier if that was true what the heck are they doing in FSU???

 
I think this question was best answered thus.........

I didn't go seeking these things, but I am sure glad I found them.
KenC

 
Again, some will get it and some wont.


I/O

[Admin]

Kuna-I have no idea how to change my nick here,as I understood I need to make a new profile-which I dont want.

If you have decided upon the NEW 'handle' you want to use - send me a PM and I can change it for you.

Congrats BTW!

- Dan

[Kvinna]

I went to the FSU looking for a wife that will put me first instead of a career. My fiancee wants to work but if it interferes with my time with her then it will be a dealbreaker. I want her waiting at the door naked with a cold beer in her hand when I get home from work. Also a clean house and supper on the table. I will work my normal 87-1/2 hour week. I then have off for a week and in that time I will spoil her rotten. AW I find have too many imaginary illness and take pills to wake up, to chill out, to diet, to cope etc. In a work a walking drugstore.I also don't want the attitude and the mouth. I am not politically correct so I don't tell them what the want to hear.  I want a slim attractive woman with a clear mind. I also love pellimini sp?.

something like this

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   ???

[KenC]

I/O,
Um, I think that "I understand some men think there are no differences but as I said earlier if that was true what the heck are they doing in FSU???" was a rhetorical question.  AS for me getting involved with this all without knowing information like what is being posted here, well there was a lot of ignorance regarding RW back in 98.  I was one of the ignorant ones too as I kind of backed into this whole thing.  I guess it is that ignorance that we hope to eliminate here on this forum.

On the subject of ignorance, only the newest of newbies or outsiders not involved with this process and thereby not the least bit familiar with Russia, could ever think that RW were submissive.  Isn't thatfallacy put to bed in paragraph one chapter one of the newbie training book?

Richard & Jinx,
If there is a sexy, feminine, hot woman hidden under an ugly, man hating, dishoveled, masculine, slobbery exterior of a woman; who the hell cares to look for her?  
Why even take the chance of finding out that might be something of value hidden under that unappealing exterior?  The answer used to be because we didn't have a choice.  Now we do.

To say that once you get past X,Y & Z "they are all women" is BS, because it is the X,Y & Z that we are addressing here. Hell yes, they are all woman with the same plumbing and biological make up, but we are addressing their minds and thinking process as influenced by their culture and social backgrounds.  And if you focus on that area, RW and AW are as different as night is to day.

I dated a ton of AW after my divorce.  There were some fine women in the group (aged 27 to 47).  But they still exhibited the traits I posted above and many were desperate and tried to change their "bad" habits in order to hook me.  It wasn't financial desperation, although my financial position was a main attraction, they just weren't starving in a village in Ukraine.  They were desperate to upgrade their lifestyle and to have a man take care of them (and sometimes their children too).  Before 911 there used to be a saying: "You have more chance of being killed by a terrorist than a 40 year old single mom has of finding a husband."  Unfortunately, the odds of being killed by a terrorist has gone way up, the 40 year old single moms still are up against longs odds however.

Our American society has turned AW into man clones and even promotes the degradation of men in general.  It is a mind set that is promoted through the media and even legislation.  Some how our American society has taken on the concept that not only are women equal to men, but that women are even superior to them.  I can go on and on, but this is not the subject here.

If the AW has been "programed" in such a way, why bother trying to de-program her, or accept her unpleasant and unappealing ways, when the world has grown so small and communication has become so easy, that you can seek out a viable alternative?  Sorry, but I ain't buying that women are women.
KenC

[I/O]

On the subject of ignorance, only the newest of newbies or outsiders not involved with this process and thereby not the least bit familiar with Russia, could ever think that RW were submissive.  Isn't thatfallacy put to bed in paragraph one chapter one of the newbie training book?

KenC I wish I could say yes to that question, but sadly I can't.  I see it, sense it, read it and worse actually hear it spoken every day of the week.  I have never viewed FSU women or women from developing countries this way, however, many do and I suspect there is many reading these forums who still do in spite of the advice from the moderately experienced and more importantly the VERY experienced people. 

The "Novice", "Freshman" or "Newbie" training book remains unwritten in summary enough form to get through to many and maybe even most.  Hence those of us who have a vested interest and a passion for this continue to bash the keyboards in posting here and or on other similar forums. That's the best we can do right now.

I actually happen to think that a well written handbook derived from a site like this should be compulsary reading for any single male buying a plane ticket to anywhere in the FSU, but hope springs eternal. 

I take a little bit the middle ground on this subject and that is not "Fence Sitting", it is simply how I see it.  I feel (Opinion only) that fundamental qualities are reasonably general, but culturally nurtured manifestations of those qualities certainly differ.  I suppose the list of differences you outlined above doesn't in and of itself make much odds to me (I am not suggesting that is an exustive list, and I am not suggesting it is not generally correct) because my ex, Australian wife, had all those and more.  The big difference which I find with my current fiance', and of course we have a only lived together for a few weeks at any one time, is that she has the strength to stand her ground with me when she thinks I am wrong and "Bash it out" in a rational manner.  She can strike the middle ground and move on.  This is new for me and I would say if there was a single thing which tipped my decision, it was this.  I happen to need someone who will stand their ground with me from time to time.     

This particular quality may of may not be more prevelant in the FSU, and I'm interested to hear what others think.  I went into the FSU for another purpose in the first instance and finding a partner there was an idea which came later, however, similar to KenC, I had no information at the beginning and had to figure it out as I went along, Alas, many mistakes were made.  Oiy..!!  Many..!!!

So-called sexual equality and political correctness are inextricabley linked.  Sad reality of where our societies have gone, because as has been mentioned, in fact it has resulted in a "Superiority Complex" in some areas and thus defeated the purpose the movement origionally intended.  That is, instead of gaining the respect of all men, it has in some cases done the opposite and the local men have quit on these women and gone elsewhere.  Kind of ironic really.

I/O

[KenC]

something like this

[youtube=425,350]C0aKNuENq24[/youtube]

   ???

Kivinna,
Unfortuately, there are some idiots that think this way.
KenC

[KenC]

KenC I wish I could say yes to that question, but sadly I can't.  I see it, sense it, read it and worse actually hear it spoken every day of the week.  I have never viewed FSU women or women from developing countries this way, however, many do and I suspect there is many reading these forums who still do in spite of the advice from the moderately experienced and more importantly the VERY experienced people. 

The "Novice", "Freshman" or "Newbie" training book remains unwritten in summary enough form to get through to many and maybe even most.  Hence those of us who have a vested interest and a passion for this continue to bash the keyboards in posting here and or on other similar forums. That's the best we can do right now.

I actually happen to think that a well written handbook derived from a site like this should be compulsary reading for any single male buying a plane ticket to anywhere in the FSU, but hope springs eternal. 
I/O

Maybe an Finding, romancing and marrying a fsu Woman for idiots?

[I/O]

Maybe an Finding, romancing and marrying a fsu Woman for idiots?

Yeah..........!!!  Maybe...!!!  Kind of makes you wonder why you bother sometimes when I hear things like I did yesterday.  One of my subordinents at work, who I thought, mistakenly was not completely stupid, came to me for a private discussion.  They all know I have travelled the FSU a good deal and he asked me the most obscure question.  How to make a 4 digit zip work in a site that requires a 5 or more digit zip.  (Zips here are all 4 digit)

I smelt a rat imediately, like a big fat hairy yuri type of rat and sure enough I was right when I drilled down on him. He kind of got some hmmmmmmmmmmm succinct advise metered out to him over the next 15 minutes and his perception, hope, immagination of FSU women was simply beyond belief.  In the end I suggested he should buy a dog and an automatic dishwasher.  This way he was more likely to get what he was looking for.

I/O   

[Gator]

Sorry, joining late, but an interesting although much discussed topic.

I assert that for most men the RW are younger than the AW they dated and have less career opportunities than the AW.  If the RW were older and had a rewarding career, the RW may be singing the same tune as the AW.  Could this explain some of the key differences?

Any talk about AW placing career ahead of children is mostly BS.   I believe even the career AW will cherish children and place them first, but will not forsake a rewarding career.   A career woman will attempt to balance the two and any delay in having children is because she has not found a man willing to share equally the responsibility of rearing.  I certainly would have had trouble giving up my professional work to stay home and raise children.  Also, there are AW who gladly and happily embrace motherhood and cozy home (I see many of them waddling in the grocery store).

Sex is also age related.  The older RW are very much into being pleased again and again, and if one were keeping count the man would be far behind because nature did not equip us with parts for long endurance.

Unrelated to age, I agree that RW do dress better and do stress their femininity.  Yet, AW are better dressed than most AM.  RW have found many AM appalling.


There are differences not related to age that I have noticed between AW and RW.  Here are 20 to debate:

-   RW are more family oriented (not just their own children, but their parents, grandparents, etc.).  It is almost tribal and borne from centuries that “family” are the only people one could trust.
-   RW are survivors – Darwinism at work. 
-   RW are more pragmatic – no free time.
-   RW are less inclined to be a true friend to their man - RW have RW friends and almost no RM friends. 
-   RW are less inclined to talk out problems with men, while AW will use you as a therapist. 
-   RW are less melodramatic. 
-   RW are more worldly and sophisticated, some remarkably so.
-   RW will for the most part eat healthier foods.
-   RW claiming to be health conscious seem to have less healthy routines than AW striving to be the same (or at least their health concepts differ from mine, e. g. salo).   Although my ex-fiancee steamed foods, exercised daily, etc.
-   RW are more into natural medicine, Chinese therapies, etc.
-   RW take more showers and baths – they do smell clean and fresh.
-   RW attach more significance to destiny and superstition.
-   RW are more tidy (tiny apartments). 
-   RW enjoy dance almost as much as Latinos
-   RW are more demanding regarding marks given to their children by teachers.
-   RW are more demanding of good manners.
-   RW rarely tell an off-color joke and detest profanity.
-   RW seem more reserved, at times to the point of being uptight (yet will easily take a “leak” in bushes).
-   RW can drink more alcohol without suffering ill effects than most AW.

Finally, Difference Number 20:  For whatever reason or reasons,

RW ARE MORE FASCINATING.

[Jumper]

Kuna-

i cant completely agree with ALL of Buckys(gators)
  20 "traits".

but IMHO they are pretty dang close..


i think the fundamental mindset is a little different, and thats a major thing..

family orientation ,
and the deply rooted enjoyment in being feminine
 and proud of it..
are probably the two biggest in general..

can you find a AW the same?
absolutely..
I was lucky and used to be married to one...

but i think that mindset is more often found in ther FSU women because of social and cultural differences..


to shrug those off completely..
 is not relaistic.. a japanese women is certainly differen tthan a woman from a villasge kenya,...and her interactions with a spouse will be as well.
deep down they may be driven by the same wants and needs..
but HOW they go about them..and what is normakl beghaviour could be quite different..


a small example is just how badly my wife wants a family..
could i find a AW that age that feels  so strobngly the same way? certainly..
but not as often as in the FSU.
 The pressure from the babushka deadushka is intense LOL
and granted it diffinantly happens in our society as well..??
but nothing near the same.
family /marriage is more a fundamental mindset there.
(in general)

maybe not an important difference to mmany guys, to others it would be,,
either way - its just an example.
but noone EVER thinks of my wife as a native or local..
even if shes is somewhat dressed down and not speaking for the accent to give her away..
invariably someone will randomly ask wheres shes from? russia?
even dressed down something stands out as different.
(not nessesarily better,but  different)
so if any random person can notice so easily,. .then there are some differences.. ??

its like at my local gym.. i know at least 8 or 10 eastern european 
wome,, and knew they are before i met them..
even in gym clothes..
there are general traits mannerisms and differences..
most other men and women notice as well.



 

[NDOC]

Ok, I’ll guess I’ll add my unsolicited two cents worth.  Having been married to a nice Ukrainian girl for 10 years (and now dating her after our divorce) I use my current transportation options as an analogy to explain the differences between RW/UW and AW. 

I own two vehicles, a nice 2002 Ford Ranger base model and a 2007 Yamaha R1 motorcycle.  They have a lot of similarities.  Both vehicles have common parts (tires, and engine, suspension, etc.) both need regular maintenance, and both perform the same function (transportation).  Both vehicles are solid transportation options…but the motorcycle is just better.  If you’re stuck doing 25-45 mph in traffic with the truck on your way home from work, the drive is boring on a good day and it’s drudgery at worse.  Even going that speed on a motorcycle is a hoot.  It looks good, it’s fun, it’s exotic, it’s exciting, and it’s different than what everyone else is driving.  When I get home, I park the truck in the garage, do the minimum amount of maintenance, and wash it when it gets dirty.  The R1 is my baby and it gets TLC every day.  Is the Yamaha as practical as the truck? Nope. Does it demand more attention? Yep.  Do friends think I’m nuts for having one? Yep.

RWs/UWs are better, some things just are.  Ohio and Bali both have trees and beaches, but Bali is a dream vacation.  BMWs and Kia’s both are cars, BMWs are better.  It goes beyond being a trophy, there’s a qualitative difference.  Some AMs think RWs and BMWs are foolish extravagance (they don’t perceive or appreciate the difference) and some think quality matters.

Just my 2 cents…

[Mir]

Having had the experience of a few BMWs and a few FSU women over the last 3-4 years I am not able to decide which one is easier to maintain!

[BC]

Having had the experience of a few BMWs and a few FSU women over the last 3-4 years I am not able to decide which one is easier to maintain!

The BMW if you turn off voice navigation.

[Turboguy]

BC,   You have an intersting thought there.   I am sure the on off button on voice naviagation is a great feature.   Does anyone know if that switch is available as on option on RW?

[jb]

You mean to tell me a BMW is a car,,, geesh, and all this time I thought it stood for "Big Mexican Woman"

[I/O]

You mean to tell me a BMW is a car,,, geesh, and all this time I thought it stood for "Big Mexican Woman"

Actually, down here we rather think that it stands for "Biggest Mistake in the World".  Having been stupid enough to have one for a while, I am inclind to think we are not far wide of the mark.

As for On/Off buttons.  All women have got 'em, some of 'em turn me on and some of 'em turn me off.   

I/O