What site you use to find?

[TigerPaws]

Thor, DKMM,

If a man looks to rural Russia I can say from recent experience he will find a great many beautiful ladies of all ages and believe me they are in very desperate conditions, Rvrwind is right about Tver it is a nice change from Moscow and like it or not there are other places to find a lady in Russia besides the big cities.

The issue with going to rural Russia is that a man has to be far more independent, self reliant and have a great deal of time. It takes 12 hours by train to go from Moscow to Saransk or Ruzayevka and 2 days to get to Perm if for whatever reason you can not fly. Everything is going to be more difficult in these small cities, towns and villages but that also means you will most likely be the only foreign man looking for a lady there.

Thor you are focusing on the big cities and in that regard you are right an average man will have a far more difficult time finding a smoking hot babe 15 plus years younger than he is. With the changing landscape of the big cities the hunting grounds have become far to difficult so an adventitious, intelligent man would be best served by going where the hunting was better, thus the more rural areas.   

TigerPaws 

[BC]

Yeah right.. When the going gets tough, hit on the more desperate.. country to country, city to city, town to town, village to village.. searching for the nubile foot that fits the shoe..

There is a point somewhere down this line where fetishism takes over..

[TigerPaws]

Yeah right.. When the going gets tough, hit on the more desperate.. country to country, city to city, town to town, village to village.. searching for the nubile foot that fits the shoe..

There is a point somewhere down this line where fetishism takes over..

BC,

When the going gets tough the smart find an easier way around, or when the pickings are slim find a better hunting ground. What is wrong with that?

TigerPaws

[BC]

BC,

When the going gets tough the smart find an easier way around, or when the pickings are slim find a better hunting ground. What is wrong with that?

TigerPaws

All goes back to that old saying... 'pick on someone your own size'..

Only a desperate man seeks a desperate woman.

[TigerPaws]

BC,

We all exploit people in one way or another, employers try to get as much out of their people for as little as possible, manufacturers have products made where the people will work for less and so on and so on. That is life, always has been and will be for the foreseeable future. If a man is intelligent and adventitious enough to go where the ladies are more willing to accept him then more power to him, he is being smart and I do not see anything wrong with that.

What is the issue?

TigerPaws

[I/O]

What is the issue?

The issue is, if you want the best, you go where the best is and be good enough to catch the best.  If that happens to be in Red square or on the banks of Baikal or Time Square or Oxford street, then so be it, but your arguement of maximising your chances by heading for the boonies is tantamount to admitting you ain't good enough to cut it in the big league.

T/P your line here in this thread is not a good example of being smarter.  When the going gets tough, the tough get going, they don't run from the opposition. I agree, there is vast resources in the outer areas, but to promote that as being a way to find something better is misleading at best.  A foreigner in an outlying village in Russia will be as popular as last weeks meat. The reality is that most women int he smaller towns and villages won't have even considered marrying a foreigner, much less be prepared to be seen with you there in her home town.  It just won't happen on the whole. Smaller cities maybe, but villages....forget it.  It's bad advice for the freshman.

I/O

[TigerPaws]

I/O,

I do not know how much time you have spent in rural Russia but we spend a great deal of time in the small cities and villages every year (I can not speak from recent direct experience in Ukraine). There are large numbers of great girls in these smaller cities and for the most part they are unspoiled have had less contact with foreign men.

I am not advocating this approach for the average Joe but for a man who is comfortable with doing things on his own, who has the means and time available to him as well as the intelligence to do things a bit differently the rewards can be great.

TigerPaws

[BC]

What is the issue?

 

The issue is that what you describe are not personal relationships..  I was not looking for an employee, or a better deal.

I certainly don't choose friends in the manner you describe..  so tell me why should my wife deserve less?

[TigerPaws]

BC,

 I am not suggesting anyone do anything, only that there are "other" options besides staying on the well beaten path, all to often the less used path is batter or at least different. If a gentleman decides to look toward areas where the ladies have not seen many western men seeking a wife then I suggest they look to the rural areas. As I have already said I have considerable recent experience in traveling to these areas and I can assure you there are many, many high quality ladies who for one reason or another have not moved to be big cities.

This approach is not for everyone but it is a viable option, just because you disagree with this approach will not change the fact that it is a real option.

TigerPaws

[I/O]

I/O, I do not know how much time you have spent in rural Russia TigerPaws

Quite a deal actually.  In fact I havn't been near Moscow in my last 4 trips.  (I fly in via OVB Novosibirsik because it is a lot shorter and easier for me) Not that Novosibirsk is a small city in my view, but it leads me into the less travelled areas.

I am well aware of the quality available in the less travelled towns, cities and for that matter some villages.  I have often thought many guys miss out on something special by staying on the "Beaten Track", but to suggest these women are a better option simply because they have been less exposed to westerners or the "High lights" is wrong. Further, the very vast majority of guys travelling to Russia haven't a hope in hell of finding their way around the boonies.

I happen to like the "Out of the way" places and although much of Siberia for example is far more modern and civilised than some who post here would have us believe, the small towns and villages are still way behind the likes of Moscow and St P. Slightly off topic, but I have been somewhat ammused to read some of the comments from experienced guys regarding Siberia in general.  It is quite obvious they still imagine an un or under developed wilderness and in fact haven't a clue of the reality as it is in the present day within many Siberian cities.  Nevertheless, to say the women are better or worse here or there is wrong and will give the freshman a false impression of their chances. 

If one can't compete for the "Top Stock" in the big league, he is deluding himself if he thinks just because she hasn't seen another passport, she will make the perfect wife.  That reeks of the "Control Freak" mentality to me. She will sooner or later wake up to the options available and it could ultimately well be a case of the guy training his own GCG IMV.

I would much prefer (and do much prefer in my own case) a lady who has met and worked with a few foreigners because I am confident in the notion she is not jumping at my passport, she had other options, I had to win her, she has some worldly wisdom, she is not a pushover, has some knowledge of what she is getting into, has done her homework as to what might be available and so forth. To avoid the competition is to simply say "I ain't good enough".  I've never been one to take a "backwards step" if I see something I want.  Much less would I do so for a woman I hope to spend the rest of my life with.

I/O

[TigerPaws]

I/O,

I think we are talking about two vastly different kind of men, I agree the average Joe or even the average man who will go to Russia would not be best suited to head off the the small towns and villages. I am talking about someone with the ability, resources and time who is adventurous and able to overcome the obstacles.

I think we will have to disagree on this issue, we (my wife and I) have seen a far different picture than it sounds like you have, we have met on every trip to Russia a number of highly eligible ladies who would be interested in getting to know an American gentleman. They range from girls in their early 20's to women in their late 30's and while I do not believe any of the ladies we have met jump on a western man they would be open to the possibilities of finding someone they could love and build a family with.

TigerPaws   

[Kuna]

Quite a deal actually.  In fact I havn't been near Moscow in my last 4 trips.  (I fly in via OVB Novosibirsik because it is a lot shorter and easier for me) Not that Novosibirsk is a small city in my view, but it leads me into the less travelled areas.

I am well aware of the quality available in the less travelled towns, cities and for that matter some villages.  I have often thought many guys miss out on something special by staying on the "Beaten Track", but to suggest these women are a better option simply because they have been less exposed to westerners or the "High lights" is wrong. Further, the very vast majority of guys travelling to Russia haven't a hope in hell of finding their way around the boonies.

I happen to like the "Out of the way" places and although much of Siberia for example is far more modern and civilised than some who post here would have us believe, the small towns and villages are still way behind the likes of Moscow and St P. Slightly off topic, but I have been somewhat ammused to read some of the comments from experienced guys regarding Siberia in general.  It is quite obvious they still imagine an un or under developed wilderness and in fact haven't a clue of the reality as it is in the present day within many Siberian cities.  Nevertheless, to say the women are better or worse here or there is wrong and will give the freshman a false impression of their chances. 

If one can't compete for the "Top Stock" in the big league, he is deluding himself if he thinks just because she hasn't seen another passport, she will make the perfect wife.  That reeks of the "Control Freak" mentality to me. She will sooner or later wake up to the options available and it could ultimately well be a case of the guy training his own GCG IMV.

I would much prefer (and do much prefer in my own case) a lady who has met and worked with a few foreigners because I am confident in the notion she is not jumping at my passport, she had other options, I had to win her, she has some worldly wisdom, she is not a pushover, has some knowledge of what she is getting into, has done her homework as to what might be available and so forth. To avoid the competition is to simply say "I ain't good enough".  I've never been one to take a "backwards step" if I see something I want.  Much less would I do so for a woman I hope to spend the rest of my life with.

I/O

I/O,

Great post... and a nice dose fo reality for first timers...

[IAmZon]

The "Look in the mirror" thing really is HUGE!

I am a reflective person, by nature  ...  I have looked hard in the mirror (and have gotten conflicting answers - depends on my mood).  But having firm self-awareness is very, very important.

It is important to remind yourself what is the ideal out come of choosing 1 - choice; or 2, endless choosing.  There is a thin line here for those who enjoy choices.

I received advise from a senior member here at RWD in a PM yesterday that should be shared. "Rivardco, stop looking at the ass and legs (paraphrasing) ...
you are not shopping for a puppy!."

that made me laugh all day (and feel a little stupid at the same time).

[ScottinCrimea]

Rivardco, but if you volunteered to be that person's puppy, that is what you would be viewing all day as you trotted behind her on all fours on your leash.  Maybe you need to rethink which end of the leash you want to be on. 

[Kuna]

Rivardco, but if you volunteered to be that person's puppy, that is what you would be viewing all day as you trotted behind her on all fours on your leash.  Maybe you need to rethink which end of the leash you want to be on. 

Scott,

I know you said that in jest but that is very profound...