Weight 3 and the pursuit of FSU women.

[vwrw]

Misha, What the phrase implied to you is a figment of your imagination. And if there is anything false, it is your perception. What the phrase meant was that men with slender and attractive wives may have tens of motivating factors to post photo of their slender wives but only few do, and those who do not have slender wives have one motivating factor less, so it is not surprising that there are no their photos here (probably). For the sake of making my point, importance of the motivating factors was irrelevant. 

[Misha]

And if there is anything false, it is your perception. What the phrase meant was that men with slender and attractive wives may have tens of motivating factors to post photo of their slender wives and those who do not have slender wives have one motivating factor less. For the sake of making my point, importance of the motivating factors was irrelevant. 

And, those men with slender and attractive wives may have tens of motivating factors not to post pictures of their wives. I am pointing out that your logic is flawed as the absence of evidence is not proof in itself. You seem to be relying on a logical fallacy to prove your point: you do not see photos of not slender women, so the men with non-slender wives must not be posting photos. I could also say: "I do not see photos of men married to purple one-eyed aliens, so the men with purple one-eyed alien wives must not be posting photos because they are ashamed of their purple one-eyed alien wives..."

[Gator]

But  now we see that docetae is following Gator's technique of using the first party's words and implying that a second party said the words.

Docetae is running circles around you, and he is using your mother tongue, not his.  However, that is not the point.  Most of us are merely questioning your apparent fixation on women's weight.  If it seems like an attack, perhaps you are not confident about your selection criteria.

At least you are honest about what you want.  If number of words is an indication, you stress sex more than slenderness.  Do you really want that much sex?  How long have you ever lived with a woman who demanded that much sex?  Such a woman makes your "slender" criterion redundant; a woman with such an appetite for sex would never get fat.

docetae finds it terrible that someone might use bmi.
Gator agrees; and then goes on to some words that indicates he actually uses the bmi in his choices.

I brought up BMI to get some quantitative idea about what you consider slender.  All you give us are some general terms.  Maybe "slender" to you is just smaller than the average AW.   Do you think it would be impossible for you to be happy with an average sized AW?

My, my.  So hard to keep straight who can be attacked and who cannot be.

Easy, anyone who has a bug up their ass needs to be called out.  

[Mars]

Mars, do not try to be subtle with your provocation. You are probably waiting that I say my wife is not fat and post a bikini photo of her in order to let you satisfy your current lack of sexual life by a self erotic stimulation ?
It will not happen. As you write, difference between you and me is simple : I am married and happy, you are alone and embittered.

I am not subtle at all.  I speak very straightforward about this.

Of course you will not say your wife is not fat.
Then you might be asked how it was that you ended up with a wife who is not fat.
I don't blame you at all.
It certainly wouldn't fit very well with your arrogant and condencending attitude about this.
And I suppose she is not short either.

Oh but wait.  Wanting tall is OK.  It is just wanting slender that is not OK.
Achieving it is OK; but speaking about it is not.  It was just a coincidence that slender was in the package.

Let's see now.  Was it predicted that this outrage against slender would occur?
And that much denial would also occur??

And wanting a picture??  Are you taking more lessons in deliberately misreading again??  You can learn from the Master here.

[Mars]

Easy, anyone who has a bug up their ass needs to be called out.  

Yes, I completely agree and will continue to call them out.

[Sculpto]

Yes, I completely agree and will continue to call them out.

at least you are amusing.. completely out of your league but amusing.. on a slow day with nothing better to do that is..

[Mars]

If number of words is an indication, you stress sex more than slenderness.  Do you really want that much sex?  

Now the Master is thinking . . . this is a Weight thread, but we need to widen the attack. 

So let's see . . . what other hot buttom items will bring in additional attacks.

[vwrw]

You seem to be relying on a logical fallacy to prove your point: you do not see photos of not slender women, so the men with non-slender wives must not be posting photos.

Misha, you are still missing the point.
Well, there may be two reasons why we cannot see pictures of non-slender wives here
- men/women do not post them   or
-men with non-slender wives do not exist among FSU-WM couples. 
Second is absurd, so I assumed the first choice. I emphasize that I assumed the point and did no try to prove what  is the true reason for the absence of photos of non-slender wives.

Okay, let’s assume I mentioned that men with slender wives may have tens of motivating factors not to post pictures of their wives as addition to what I said, what would it change except burdening readers with information they can understand without mentioning? I hope you do not think you are the only one smart here. How would this addition affect my  point that I can support my suggestions only by logic, not by pointing to the pictures?

[Sculpto]

Mars.. I am going to try and be sincere.. not bashing or insulting.

Whats wrong man?  Lots of us are lonely and want a relationship with a good lady but everything you post indicates something is really disconnected.  Is it the upcoming holidays?

What if a short fat Philipino woman happened to be the sweetest and smartest lady you ever met.  Would you just reject her because she doesn't stroke your male ego that you deserve a supermodel or as close to one as you can find?  What is your real purpose in seeking a wife, and especially a FSUW?  Ego and image enhancement or real connection with a good person?  Are you deluding yourself and walking the fine line of being a troll just for fun or is there some underlying issue that you would like someone to flush out?

[pitbull]

Mars,

I don't know if this advice would be useful, but since weight (or lack thereof) is a top priority for you in an FSUW, one thing you can do to ensure she stays slim after marriage is to be honest. Tell you future wife exactly what you are saying on RWD. Something like that:

"Honey, I could have had a woman with many wonderful character traits in the US. The ONLY reason I went through all this FSU visa/dating/marriage pai in the a.. and chose you is that you are slim and I cannot get dates with slim and nice women in the USA.  It is CRUCIAL for my happiness that you stay within such-and-such (whichever is acceptable for you) weight limit in our marriage. If you gain considerable weight this whole marriage thing will not make much sense to me. It will mean that I went through all of this sheeeeeet, and now have ended up with the same non-slender woman I could have found right at home!!!!!!!"      

Something along these lines. Repeat it at least once a month, or if you see her eating too many desserts etc.

Also, you could have her sign a prenup (I recall someone had this clause on RWD) with the clause that if she gains more than (don't know how many) pounds and doesn't lose within (don't know how fast) you divorce and she doesn't get anything.

It would help if the woman is poor in FSU and doesn't have any prospects if she returns. This way she will be afraid to lose you (and life in the US that you provide) even more, and will really work on staying slim in order to please you.

The 3 abovedescribed approaches combined will most certainly guarantee a slender wife  

[Misha]

-men with non-slender wives do not exist among FSU-WM couples. 
Second is absurd, so I assumed the first choice.

Why? If I presume that one of the main motivating factors for men to look overseas is to find women more attractive and usually younger than they could marry at home (including being generally slimmer), then I would expect to find relatively few "non-slender" wives among FSU-WM couples. Those who do not find what they are looking for are likely not to get married. Add to the equation the fact that obesity is less prevalent in the FSU than in the United States, then I would reasonably expect that few men here would be married to women who would be overweight, though definitions of non-slender will vary (what may be too thin for one many may be not enough for another). Also, the men who post here have been married, on the whole, for less than 5 years, so this is not really enough time for women to change much in terms of body weight. So, I would say that all this being taken into consideration, the second choice is no more, no less absurd, than the first.

[Mars]

The 3 above described approaches combined will most certainly guarantee a slender wife  

I doubt it!  :-))

However, thanks for being logical and having a well thought out answer.  Of course, you know also that to say such things as you suggested will ensure that no woman will be attracted.

So your answer is much like those who propose that it is OK to do a WMVM approach as long as you tell all the women specifically about it up front.  They know that to do so (the tell) would doom it to failure.

And to turn it back on you somewhat; should the women also regularly state their desires for financial security, etc. in the same manner as you suggested above?

[Mars]

One small clarification.  I noted in my list a desire for slender woman and I further indicated not skinny or emaciated.

But it has been noted that people still may have different definitions of these terms.

So let me state that size 6 is fine for me.
And I know this is not a very high standard since many women here and many wives of men here are size 5 and below.

Thus I don't think my desires are out of line at all and not highly demanding.

[vwrw]

Why? If I presume that one of the main motivating factors for men to look overseas is to find women more attractive and usually younger than they could marry at home (including being generally slimmer), then I would expect to find relatively few "non-slender" wives among FSU-WM couples. Those who do not find what they are looking for are likely not to get married.

Then you agree with Mars’ position that non-slender women have little to no chance  in this pursuit. I disagree with this position for reasons I already mentioned in this thread, and I am not going to repeat them personally for you.

[Mars]

Then you agree with Mars’ position that non-slender women have little to no chance  in this pursuit. I disagree with this position for reasons I already mentioned in this thread, and I am not going to repeat them personally for you.

Misha, to try to help  you and VWRW come to some agreement as to what is the disagreement (not that you have to agree), let me point out that she did say that
some men might choose non-slender women strictly so they can get a much younger woman; or they might choose non-slender women with a view to fathering a child.

So aside from the issue of picture posting or not; what are your ideas on her primary hypothesis?

[Mars]

Whats wrong man?

Nothing at all.

No one has to agree with me.  Everyone has opinions.
Re-Read this thread carefully.
Ludmila, VWRW, mies and Pitbull and others, and I have had several back and forths where we don't see eye to eye.  But no name calling.

Also read carefully to see if you can find any place where I was the first to attack someone or use name calling.  Attacks are often quite subtle and others start out with name calling.

My process is quite simple.
Discuss and I discuss.
Attack and I respond in kind.  

[Sculpto]

sorry dont buy it.. your ongoing threads have a tone of desperation.. but what do I know?  (shrugs)

[docetae]

Mars, as you ask me, it happens that my wife is slender not because I was totally obsessed by this factor, but because this is a consequence of her way of life. We are both very active, we walk a lot, are doing sport and caring about what we eat. You are mixing cause and consequence since the beginning of your threads.

[Misha]

Then you agree with Mars’ position that non-slender women have little to no chance  in this pursuit. I disagree with this position for reasons I already mentioned in this thread, and I am not going to repeat them personally for you.

Yes. The only question is whether choosing a "slender" woman is the primary goal as expressed by Mars or whether it is simply not openly admitted and acknowledged with men nonetheless predominantly writing will and meeting the most attractive women they can with those women tending to be "slender." The odds for a "non-slender" woman or a woman who is not at all attractive are pretty remote to say the least, no matter how young and how much a man may want a baby.