Weight 3 and the pursuit of FSU women.

[JR]

Jollyrats:

1) Not always... my wife is older than me by 5 months
2) beauty - True
3) You can add to have family as priority number 1 .

You are right Docetae but I never make absolute statements, there are always exceptions to the rules around here. But you and CaddyDaddy are the only two exceptions to that general rule that I can think of off the top of my head. So it's a statement I feel can be made with some degree of confidence.

[JR]

Good questions.  Exactly the same questions that I am asking myself.
Don't have a ready answer.  Am afraid to think about  it.

Mars, there is nothing wrong with you wanting a slender woman. But if it is that important to you then you need to determine "why" a particular woman is slender. If it is due to her healthy, self imposed eating/exercise habits then she will most likely remain as she is. If it is environmentally imposed upon her, ie: lack of Bon Bons and the requirement to do lots of walking as part of her daily routine then most likely she will put on wieght once she gets her, starts driving everywhere and eating our crappy, processed foods.

[Gator]

However you are nevertheless a bully, and worse you are intellectually dishonest in your knowingly selective recall of facts and situations used in your bullying to put down on people.

My!  My!  Feel better?  I hope so.

So you date 40-50 yo women.  I spent a lot of time with this group.  Most were packing some fat mass albeit less than their AW sisters.  And that is the way it should be to reduce the risk of osteoporosis.

What is the maximum BMI do you find acceptable?  I ask because your definition of "slender" may differ from what other men consider slender (recalling Kievstar's stringent requirements).

Feel free to move my physiology comment to another thread.  
  

[docetae]

When you start to look at bmi to select a partner, something is wrong and this is not weight...

[Mars]

Mars, if we put joking apart, how would it  be more helpful to the FSU women if they understood that it is their slenderness that attracts  WM to them?

Long answer here vwrw.

First, I will start with re-posting from another thread as to my desired woman.

Intelligence.
Good education; at least University graduate.  But actually know things and still be able to talk about them 30 years later, rather than having just sat in classroom and memorized the material for an exam.
Smiles a lot and is not the moody type.
Enjoy chess and other mind games.
Good sense of humor; not just saying they have it, but actually telling jokes, etc.
Knowledge of the arts:  Music, visual art, ballet, etc.
Comfortable dressing in jeans and sneakers with no make-up for day hike, and then able to switch to formal dress for ballet in short order.
Can get out the door quickly when needed without long make-up time.
Not squeamish about getting hands dirty: yard work, gardening, fishing, etc.
Like to cook without grumbling about it.  i.e. Really like to cook!!
Not be overly jealous; as in the type that watches to see if you look at passing  women, wonder about what addresses are in your e-mail account, check out your pockets, look for lipstick on collar, etc.
Like animals.
Like sex and a lot of it.  Not to just accommodate the man; but really, really like it.  As in when the woman comes in the home, hugs her man and says: God, I really need a fu$k.  Or when she wakes her man up early and says:  Sorry to wake you, but I am very wet and just cannot wait a minute longer to screw you. One who says: I want more than one orgasm, so let's plan for that.
Be rather tall (5 feet 6 and above) and slender.  Not skinny or emaciated.
Be aged 40-50.
Willing to put me number one in her life.
Does not have 'entitlement attitude.'

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Now, from the above list, I can find many women in USA who meet all of the above criteria except for one.  Can you guess the one?

Of course you and everyone knows it is the slender criteria.

And why can't I find the slender woman since there are undoubtedly some slender women 40-50 in USA?

I copy here from another of my posts in another thread (modified just a bit to fit within the context of our conversation here):

1) There do exist slender women in my age group in the USA.

2) Most of these such women are quite happily married and their men are not about to let them go.

3) For those who are not married; since men overwhelmingly desire slender women, each of these very few (proportionately) women have their pick from hundreds of men.

4) Further, there is virtually no way that these women could not take on a very haughty attitude.  It defies everything we know about human nature to even think that they would not.

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So, for me, the only reason for looking to FSU women at all is the missing slender variable.
And this is true for many men here, but we already have discussed that they will mostly deny it, except for JR maybe.

You VWRW, and many of the other women here know what a hassle the AM (as well as the woman) has to go through to get a FSUW fiance or wife into the USA.

Now why would a man go through that if he could find the slender woman in the USA?
He would not, of course.

If an AM were willing to settle for a non-slender woman, there would be plenty to choose from right at home without the hassles and cost of immigration.

Hence, for non-slender FSUW . . . it makes absolutely no sense at all that they are even thinking that they can attract a man from the west.  And, even worse, these ladies are continually given false hope by some posters in terms of 'keep trying, etc.'

So I think it is helpful to FSUW in general if they understand this very clearly.
Further, we can go beyond the marriage and think about what the case will be for FSUW married to AM, and they gain considerable weight after marriage.

Again, logic would say that the men would have to be thinking:  I went through all of this sheeeeeet, and now have ended up with the same non-slender woman I could have found right at home!!!!!!!

Pitbull asked me about this latter situation.  I don't have a good answer for myself.
I am sure all the married men here will say it wouldn't matter a whit to them.
But of course that would be the proper thing to say at this point.

Now, as to the women (and men) who will reply that FSUW have the same right to have their list and determine that there is only one reason for them to be considering a WM over a FSUM.

And I completely agree.

I am perfectly happy with knowing what it is that FSUW are wanting, once all the fluffy talk is stripped away.

[Mars]

So you date 40-50 yo women.  I spent a lot of time with this group.  Most were packing some fat mass albeit less than their AW sisters.  And that is the way it should be to reduce the risk of osteoporosis.

What is the maximum BMI do you find acceptable?  I ask because your definition of "slender" may differ from what other men consider slender (recalling Kievstar's stringent requirements).

Feel free to move my physiology comment to another thread.  

You can also put this in the Objective Science thread where I have posted items that are more relevant.  Others can then compare my comments and questions there to your ideas, and weigh them.

[Gator]

When you start to look at bmi to select a partner, something is wrong and this is not weight...

Agree.  

Personally I like to have a little something to grab.  

Mars, I see "slender" way down on your list.  Yet it is the only reason that you turn to the FSU!!!  It needs to be at the head of your list, in the "mandatory" column.

[Gator]

Others can then compare my comments and questions there to your ideas, and weigh them.

I never knew that you had a sense of humor.  A good pun.

[Mars]

What I don't get is why some people seem so focused on one aspect of the person they desire as a mate.  I want the whole package.. looks, intelligence, personality. 

You have undoubtedly read my desired list in another thread (which I have just reposted in a reply to WVRW in this tread).

I count roughly 18 items on my list.  Somehow this translates to 'one aspect' in your view.

[Gator]

I am sure all the married men here will say it wouldn't matter a whit to them.
But of course that would be the proper thing to say at this point.

Not only is it proper, it is the truth.

If she gains too much, one does care, but more about her health.  

[Mars]

Quote from: docetae on Today at 07:08:44 PM
When you start to look at bmi to select a partner, something is wrong and this is not weight...

Agree.  

Personally I like to have a little something to grab.

I never used the term bmi in any of my posts.  It was Gator who used it.
But  now we see that docetae is following Gator's technique of using the first party's words and implying that a second party said the words.

However, now we see a curious thing.
docetae finds it terrible that someone might use bmi.
Gator agrees; and then goes on to some words that indicates he actually uses the bmi in his choices.
My, my.  So hard to keep straight who can be attacked and who cannot be.

[Sculpto]

Yo Spaceman..

If you had a decent argument to make this would be a lot more interesting.. but you keep posting very superficial topics and then get butt hurt when you get called out on it.  You can't hide behind proclamations of not being PC or whatever.. you keep doing the same thing.. maybe you are the new Ambach but with a different agenda????

[docetae]

Mars,  I do not attack, I use sarcasms. Your dissect criterias and factors like someone doing a shopping list.
You forget something that seems to be essential to any relation and perhaps more with a woman who is ready to leave her family and friends to live with you ...: the need for a passion.

And your demonstration is more close to a analysis done by a medical examiner with gloves and cold hands rather than by a man who is looking to meet a woman, with all her qualities and bad sides, just like me and you.

[vwrw]

If an AM were willing to settle for a non-slender woman, there would be plenty to choose from right at home without the hassles and cost of immigration.

Hence, for non-slender FSUW . . . it makes absolutely no sense at all that they are even thinking that they can attract a man from the west.  And, even worse, these ladies are continually given false hope by some posters in terms of 'keep trying, etc.'

Mars, you failed to include in your consideration the pretty big group of WM who can settle for non-slender women from FSW provided they are 15-25 years younger than those women who the men can date locally. Also there are men who are obsessed with a desire to have baby and after several rejections locally (maybe even by non-slender women), they are happy to marry any creature that is capable of reproduction. The fact that the men want a younger women or descendents does not mean they are monsters, and they can provide non-slender women with a chance.
 

[Mars]

Mars,  I do not attack, I use sarcasms. Your dissect criterias and factors like someone doing a shopping list.
You forget something that seems to be essential to any relation and perhaps more with a woman who is ready to leave her family and friends to live with you ...: the need for a passion.

And your demonstration is more close to a analysis done by a medical examiner with gloves and cold hands rather than by a man who is looking to meet a woman, with all her qualities and bad sides, just like me and you.

When you start to look at bmi to select a partner, something is wrong and this is not weight...

OK, I am fine with whatever criteria you use.

If you are happy with your fat wife, then I am happy for you.

[Mars]

Mars, you failed to include in your consideration the pretty big group of WM who can settle for non-slender women from FSW provided they are 15-25 years younger than those women who the men can date locally. Also there are men who are obsessed with a desire to have baby and after several rejections locally (maybe even by non-slender women), they are happy to marry any creature that is capable of reproduction. The fact that the men want a younger women or descendents does not mean they are monsters, and they can provide non-slender women with a chance.
 

Could be.  Do you know of any pics posted here that can give some credence to this alternative hypothesis of yours?

[docetae]

OK, I am fine with whatever criteria you use.

If you are happy with your fat wife, then I am happy for you.

Little mars is not happy and starts to be angry ... can you show me how you bite ? this is cute.

[Mars]

Little mars is not happy and starts to be angry ... can you show me how you bite ? this is cute.

Not angry at all.  In fact, as I said, I am even happy for you with your fat wife.

[Sculpto]

Not angry at all.  In fact, as I said, I am even happy for you with your fat wife.

yet most of us pity your fictional wife for your lack of endowment.  How long you think it will be before she is seeking sausage of a more substantial proportion?

[docetae]

Mars, do not try to be subtle with your provocation. You are probably waiting that I say my wife is not fat and post a bikini photo of her in order to let you satisfy your current lack of sexual life by a self erotic stimulation ?
It will not happen. As you write, difference between you and me is simple : I am married and happy, you are alone and embittered.

[vwrw]

Mars, only few of those men who have slender wives have posted their pictures here, those who have non -slender wives have even less incentive to do so. Hence, I cannot substantiate my suggestions with anything but logic.

[Misha]

Mars, only few of those men who have slender wives have posted their pictures here, those who have non -slender wives have even less incentive to do so. Hence, I cannot substantiate my suggestions with anything but logic.

Depends how you define slender. Also, keep in mind that some men simply do not want to post photos of themselves and their wives even if they are slender and very attractive 

[vwrw]

Misha, if you read the post of mine you quoted, you would notice that I said -only few of those men who have slender wives have posted their pictures here (the phrase equals to your message that there are other men with slender and attractive wives who simply do not want to post their photos ). Hence, there was no need for you to remind me to keep in mind something that I kept there.

[Misha]

Hence, there was no need for you to remind me to keep in mind something that I kept there.

No, I am pointing out that you conclusions may be false. You wrote: "those who have non -slender wives have even less incentive to do so" implying that the motivating factor would be slender or not slender as motivating men to post or not post photos. A more important factor is whether wants to remain anonymous or not.

[Boethius]

Or in the interests of privacy.  I know my husband wouldn't want his photo posted.

docetae has posted pictures of himself and his bride, and since you're dying to know, Mars, she is slim and attractive.