Do sincere RW focus on bikini/lingerie photos?

[veritas]

TMI but maybe worth an exploratory letter on the first.

I wouldn't bother with the second but to each their own I guess.

seems to be my middle name on here, Ed ...  Or did you mean HER?  If so, there's a reason she wrote that ...

I posted three profiles ... Are you talking about the first and second, or the second and third?

Kevin

[ECOCKS]

seems to be my middle name on here, Ed ...  Or did you mean HER?  If so, there's a reason she wrote that ...

I posted three profiles ... Are you talking about the first and second, or the second and third?

Kevin

TMI on her info. Frankly, sharing that she had an abortion and abusive boyfriend in her first couple of letters twinges my radar almost to the point of having 3-4 bikini/lingerie shots.

[veritas]

TMI on her info. Frankly, sharing that she had an abortion and abusive boyfriend in her first couple of letters twinges my radar almost to the point of having 3-4 bikini/lingerie shots.

Yeah, I know what you mean, Ed ... But she'd actually written me almost 40 letters before that one --
starting on June 14 -- to which I'd responded maybe once or twice -- and her TMI was in response
to the following letter from me yesterday (I used one of my 10 "free" letters per month):
______________________

Hi Lena,

I now believe that this site is a SCAM designed to part fools from their money ...

If there's ANY legitimacy at ALL to Dream-Marriage -- if there
are ANY women on here who are REAL and SINCERE in writing me --
then I sure can't tell them apart from all of the STUNNING women
on here (especially the 18-to-25-year-olds) who are obviously NOT
real, or NOT sincere in writing me ...

I ask you -- how can I tell who's REAL and SINCERE on Dream-Marriage??
Or if ANYONE is at ALL??  I can't -- and that's why I haven't been responding ..

PAID writers??  MODELS' photos??  Who KNOWS??  Who can TELL??
But I can assure you that at LEAST 90% of the messages I get on this site are
definitely NOT legitimate, and I'm afraid that I can't tell which -- if any -- ARE "legit" ...

Does that answer your (unspoken) question about why I DON'T respond to you??

SINCERELY,

Kevin
_____________________

BTW, she said that she REFUSED to have that abortion and that her boyfriend left her because of that ...

Kevin

P.S.  When she responded to that letter from me, I wrote her again to say, "D-M is a den of vipers and thieves" ...

[ECOCKS]

1. You're still on your crusade Kevin, it's not taking you anywhere positive.

2. If that was her 40th response to that second letter of yours then you need to quit logging in, you're in very unhealthy territory.

[veritas]

1. You're still on your crusade Kevin, it's not taking you anywhere positive.

2. If that was her 40th response to that second letter of yours then you need to quit logging in, you're in very unhealthy territory.

I told her that if she wanted to contact me again, she could (try to) find me on "Elena's Models" --
and I "unhid" my profile there to allow this -- because I would NOT be writing anyone on D-M again ...

Kevin

P.S.  Dream-Marriage is just entertainment for me, Ed -- I don't watch TV ...

[Jumper]

Kevin-
all restate this:
that type of letter.. will not have any positive effect.

all negative:

1.if she is sincere.. she'll make up  a cover story and she'll either not be good at it ,
or she'll be so good you'll buy it.Ultimately *if* shes working it makes no difference,, she works a shift, she gets paid, she *might* get more incentives per responce..
thousands of fish in that letter writing sea for her ,, its just a job.

2. if she works for the extra $$ (which if you'd ever been to the FSU and know somes situation you's be *maybr* a bit understanding of it)
but is also single and with some hope to meet a good man (although 90% of who writes her are not!! so she accepts the extra dough made with a *FSU clear* concious trust me it's common. )
then you equally insult her..(even if your are correct ,it still insulting to be called out on it right?)

maybe she doesnt like her job ,or even her part time agency work,
shes tired , no decent man ever write her anyway.. and certainly do not visit , or coem to visit a bunch of young girls to put notches on their bedpost.
so -
you can choose to be the next man in a long line of men to write her some accusational letter,
(regardless it's accuracy)
 or
 you can try to find out about her ,what makes her tick, what she likes and doesnt like ,, be a good conversationalist and brighten her day with some interesting topic or joke.


3. if she is sincere you totally blew it both on the self confidence part and in the insulting or
* why would she care about* part..

Trust me she certainly doesn't want to hear about anyone else you've written ,your expereinces with a good or bad agency.
She wants to know you are interested in HER, that you are serious, and not one of the
thousands of keyboard romeos ,who quite frankly ,, are only amusing themselves
 (for different reasons than you)

regardless whether you are entertaining yourself , i still think in the back of your mind you hope to ,at minimum , correspond with someone sincere.

Let me be clear-
these type of letters you send , will seldom ,if ever,. make that happen.

You need to understand these women see that type of accusation and letter everyday.
it's redundant and boring to them regardless if they are sincere or insincere..

You have proven here that you  can be sincere, funny, sharp, and witty,
none of that is conveyed in such a letter.

DM is a terrible place for you to look ,
but if you want any chance of success,even in correspondence, on any website, change your tact.

why ask a woman a rhetorical question about how YOU could tell anyone's level of sincerity?
shes knows you can't REALLY tell ,and you know you can't really tell.
What kind of answer are you expecting?
Shooting yourself in the foot isn't all that entertaining , and it's sometimes painful.


If you want to play there,then play.Lots of men do. In fact most.

 if you want to stand out its painfully easy.
(and which could garner geniune interest from single women there regardless their situation)

Be sincere, be genuine, write interesting letters, ask interesting questions about them ,, and show genuine interest in them ,their lives ,their children, etc.
 Someone then might stand out to you  as a bit more interested or sincere,
given time it should be come more clear,, and you can ask more pointed questions then.
but initially keep it light ,fun ,and interesting..
if playing there ,ignore the BS, concentrate on the GIRL.

If you insist on going over how the agency *works* with what essentially is *often*
 staff,lol  you are only untying your own shoes before going running.

If you insist on telling the women that you do not understand *why* they would be interested in you, they quickly wont be.

[facetrock]

Newtk, Again I say....Let it go man ...Let it go.

[veritas]

Kevin-
all restate this:
that type of letter.. will not have any positive effect.

all negative:

1.if she is sincere.. she'll make up  a cover story and she'll either not be good at it ,
or she'll be so good you'll buy it.Ultimately *if* shes working it makes no difference,, she works a shift, she gets paid, she *might* get more incentives per responce..
thousands of fish in that letter writing sea for her ,, its just a job.

2. if she works for the extra $$ (which if you'd ever been to the FSU and know somes situation you's be *maybr* a bit understanding of it)
but is also single and with some hope to meet a good man (although 90% of who writes her are not!! so she accepts the extra dough made with a *FSU clear* concious trust me it's common. )
then you equally insult her..(even if your are correct ,it still insulting to be called out on it right?)

maybe she doesnt like her job ,or even her part time agency work,
shes tired , no decent man ever write her anyway.. and certainly do not visit , or coem to visit a bunch of young girls to put notches on their bedpost.
so -
you can choose to be the next man in a long line of men to write her some accusational letter,
(regardless it's accuracy)
 or
 you can try to find out about her ,what makes her tick, what she likes and doesnt like ,, be a good conversationalist and brighten her day with some interesting topic or joke.

3. if she is sincere you totally blew it both on the self confidence part and in the insulting or
* why would she care about* part..

Trust me she certainly doesn't want to hear about anyone else you've written ,your expereinces with a good or bad agency.
She wants to know you are interested in HER, that you are serious, and not one of the
thousands of keyboard romeos ,who quite frankly ,, are only amusing themselves
 (for different reasons than you)

regardless whether you are entertaining yourself , i still think in the back of your mind you hope to ,at minimum , correspond with someone sincere.

Let me be clear-
these type of letters you send , will seldom ,if ever,. make that happen.

You need to understand these women see that type of accusation and letter everyday.
it's redundant and boring to them regardless if they are sincere or insincere..

You have proven here that you  can be sincere, funny, sharp, and witty,
none of that is conveyed in such a letter.

DM is a terrible place for you to look ,
but if you want any chance of success,even in correspondence, on any website, change your tact.

why ask a woman a rhetorical question about how YOU could tell anyone's level of sincerity?
shes knows you can't REALLY tell ,and you know you can't really tell.
What kind of answer are you expecting?
Shooting yourself in the foot isn't all that entertaining , and it's sometimes painful.

If you want to play there,then play.Lots of men do. In fact most.

 if you want to stand out its painfully easy.
(and which could garner geniune interest from single women there regardless their situation)

Be sincere, be genuine, write interesting letters, ask interesting questions about them ,, and show genuine interest in them ,their lives ,their children, etc.
 Someone then might stand out to you  as a bit more interested or sincere,
given time it should be come more clear,, and you can ask more pointed questions then.
but initially keep it light ,fun ,and interesting..
if playing there ,ignore the BS, concentrate on the GIRL.

If you insist on going over how the agency *works* with what essentially is *often*
 staff,lol  you are only untying your own shoes before going running.

If you insist on telling the women that you do not understand *why* they would be interested in you, they quickly wont be.

Thanks once again, AJ -- your replies are always well thought out and constructive ...

At this point, I don't even CARE whether ANY of them are sincere ... If they are,
then they can join me on EM, because I will NOT support D-M any more by paying
(for "credits") to write them on there -- no way, no how ... All I'm gonna pay from
now on is that $10/month to read incoming letters -- cheaper entertainment than
cable TV ...

Already, that letter of mine has STARTED -- sorta -- to separate the wheat from
the chaff ... One girl chuckled at it and invited me to "video chat" -- so she's OUT ...
Another girl said I wrote her "the same letter a few months ago" and laughed at it --
so SHE'S out ... Finally, that girl (E)lena responded in a very interesting fashion, with
her love stories (including the abortion thing) ... So I invited HER to join me over at EM ...

I've said this before, AJ -- I'm NOT "playing" with ANYONE on D-M -- except for those
who send me absurd "sex-fantasy" letters ... Otherwise, I'm totally honest and sincere --
and thanks muchly for the compliments there -- but if THEY'RE actually honest and
sincere, then they can bloody well follow me over to EM, 'cuz I WON'T let D-M rip me
off on letter-writing "credits" anymore ... And that's where my crusade ENDS on D-M ...

you can try to find out about her ,what makes her tick, what she likes and doesnt like ,,
be a good conversationalist and brighten her day with some interesting topic or joke.

Be sincere, be genuine, write interesting letters, ask interesting questions about them ,,
and show genuine interest in them ,their lives ,their children, etc.

I'll gladly do all that, AJ -- but only on "Elena's Models", where I've already paid for unlimited correspondence ...

Kevin

P.S.  As you know, I'm not actually LOOKING anymore -- RW or AW -- and I'll explain that to anyone -- on EM ...

P.P.S.  I didn't actually say anything like "why would she care about me" in THIS letter, did I?  That was earlier, right?

P.P.P.S.  Forgot to mention -- (E)lena and I had a nice little exchange there, in which we swapped pix of our houses ...

[ECOCKS]

Good luck Newkt, I truly hope things turn out for the best in your future.

[veritas]

JUST FOR REFERENCE -- and I realize that we've already strayed far from the OP's (my) question here --
and I'm NOT continuing my crusade against D-M, which is now OVER -- this is what I wrote to (E)lena
after we exchanged pix of our houses:
________________________

Hi Lena!

Thank you for the lovely photos of your house and church!  )))))

My house is actually less than 10 mi (16 km) from downtown Orlando --
a city of 1,500,000 people -- but it LOOKS "far in the wild", doesn't it?

Lena, Dream-Marriage is "a den of vipers and thieves" (in the words
of U.S. president Andrew Jackson in 1836) -- NOT including YOU --
and therefore I will NOT support Dream-Marriage by buying any
more credits to write you on here ...

If you want to contact me -- or have me contact you -- then
you should join me at "Elena's Models", which is a much MORE
legitimate site than Dream-Marriage -- I'm a member there also --
because I will NOT be writing anyone on Dream-Marriage again ...

Thanks again, Lena -- I hope to see you on "Elena's Models" soon!  ))))

Sincerely,

Kevin

Good luck Newkt, I truly hope things turn out for the best in your future.

Thanks, Ed -- I do appreciate it ...

Kevin

P.S.  I can easily back up my assertion to her that EM is a "much MORE legitimate site" than D-M -- but do I need to?

P.P.S.  See http://adam.shand.net/iki/2008/you_are_a_den_of_vipers_and_thieves for context on the quote by President "AJ" ...

P.P.P.S.  There's one trait of mine that you forgot to mention, AJ -- (overly?) "RIGHTEOUS" ... Right? 

[veritas]

And this was her response this morning:
_________________

Hi Kevin!

Glad you liked the photos. )))) Oh you live in 16km from such a big megapolis! I would never say it looking at the picture of your house. )))))

I don't know what are girls here about as I usually don't have much time to talk to them. I mostly communicate with my translator. Well, and perhaps its the reason why I won't be able to join you in the other site, at least in the nearest time. My English is bad - I remember just few words from school. I plan start learning it this autumn. )))) Besides I have no my own computer. I have to pay credit for my house and I won't be able to afford buying a computer in the next year.

But you know, I think it was our destiny to meet here, to talk a bit. and who knows, maybe our ways will cross again one day. At least I hope for it. Because you seem to be an interesting gentleman to talk with))))

Sincerely

Lena

PS Me with one of my clients. She got married this June))))) and I resewed the dress for her.
_________________

Kevin

[Chelseaboy]

Kevin,i would assume her translator,would still be able to interpret letters between you and Lena on EM  ?
I strongly suspect Lena,and/or her agency,are on a better earning deal with DM,than they would be with EM,so she,and/or her agency,will stay with DM,rather than shift communication to EM.
So,you have a choice.You either bite the bullet,and continue corresponding with her on DM,assuming you're interested in her,or you stop communicating with her.
You need to understand that unless you actually go and meet her,you're just a penpal among many,so you're there purely for her,and/or her agency, to make money out of,and as we know,most men will never visit her.Having said that she MIGHT be genuinely interested in you,even though at this stage,the financial aspects of communicating with you,are more important to her and/or her agency.
This doesn't necessarily mean that her interest in you isn't sincere,although it's probably unlikely.

[veritas]

Kevin,i would assume her translator,would still be able to interpret letters between you and Lena on EM  ?
I strongly suspect Lena,and/or her agency,are on a better earning deal with DM,than they would be with EM,so she,and/or her agency,will stay with DM,rather than shift communication to EM.
So,you have a choice.You either bite the bullet,and continue corresponding with her on DM,assuming you're interested in her,or you stop communicating with her.
You need to understand that unless you actually go and meet her,you're just a penpal among many,so you're there purely for her,and/or her agency, to make money out of,and as we know,most men will never visit her.Having said that she MIGHT be genuinely interested in you,even though at this stage,the financial aspects of communicating with you,are more important to her and/or her agency.
This doesn't necessarily mean that her interest in you isn't sincere,although it's probably unlikely.

Thanks, Chelseaboy ... I made an exception for her and wrote her back one last time,
with a nice "sayonara" and an observation that *I* could translate our letters on EM ...

Kevin