Interviews from 3 KhersonGirls ladies

[CDW]

All true. +1

However, there are a few eventualities that "most" sincere FSUW seek as well. That is a good provider and a good provider provides many of those incidentals that seem to wreck CDW's life and mindset. Most women do require material "extra's" in their life as well as the basic food, clothing and shelter. Another problem I see is CDW's approach makes him appear extremely greedy whether he is or not. Most guys with enough time in the FSU will tell you, just the appearence of being greedy is a death null to most sincere women

You are missing the point.  If you were a Ukrainian man, would you buy her a new car, iPad, fancy blackberry phones?  Of courser not, because you couldn't afford them.  They are taking advantage of you, because you are a foreigner - that's simple!

There are millions of women in the 3rd world do not have "fancy" equipment, and they survive.

[Daveman]

I was RECOMMENDED by KhersonGirls to have an interview-questionnaire.  ...

Do you think KhersonGirls also RECOMMENDED to the ladies how to best answer certain questions for western men?  Many of our "free form thought provoking, what if scenario" questions come across as idiotic to FSUW. 


Ade said it best so far I think..  the smart, sincere, decent FSU women you WANT to attract will probably think you're an idiot and run while the smart, NORMAL materialistic women (basically all) would play the game to their advantage, while the smart, truly materialistic gold diggers will play the game long enough to waste your time.  Personally, I don't think you'll know anything of real value until you interact in person - see how she lives and behaves and interacts with you.


BUT, it all boils down to how comfortable you (and they) feel with the meeting and whatever criteria you decide for yourself is important for your communication.  Live and let live.

[CDW]

Do you think KhersonGirls also RECOMMENDED to the ladies how to best answer certain questions for western men?  Many of our "free form thought provoking, what if scenario" questions come across as idiotic to FSUW. 


Ade said it best so far I think..  the smart, sincere, decent FSU women you WANT to attract will probably think you're an idiot and run while the smart, NORMAL materialistic women (basically all) would play the game to their advantage, while the smart, truly materialistic gold diggers will play the game long enough to waste your time.  Personally, I don't think you'll know anything of real value until you interact in person - see how she lives and behaves and interacts with you.


BUT, it all boils down to how comfortable you (and they) feel with the meeting and whatever criteria you decide for yourself is important for your communication.  Live and let live.

If they think I am an idiotic man, then how come they, all want to meet me. 

If you are happily married man, then why do you waste your time here?   

[Ade]

If they think I am an idiotic man, then how come they, all want to meet me. 

If you are happily married man, then why do you waste your time here?

We all have our silly little hobbies. 


Yours is obviously chasing a dream self-delusion.


And, FWIW, it's probably in KhersonGirls' best interest for you to fail, repeatedly, to find the "right one" just so you'll come back for more. Repeat business is where the money is at.

[Faux Pas]

You are missing the point.  If you were a Ukrainian man, would you buy her a new car, iPad, fancy blackberry phones?  Of courser not, because you couldn't afford them.  They are taking advantage of you, because you are a foreigner - that's simple!

There are millions of women in the 3rd world do not have "fancy" equipment, and they survive.

No, I don't think I am missing the point. You seem hellbent on ignoring the obvious as if it will magically just go away. There is a bigger picture here CDW. Much is what jone just referred to. Women do want to be wined, dined and romanced. Not where you go dutch on a few dates until you feel comfortable that she isn't a prodater, gold digger or party girl. It isn't a 50/50 proposition. It is a 100/100 with you both playing your gender based roles.

A Ukrainian man with the means will buy his woman those things. So will most western men. If you want to keep a woman interest's and in love with you, you'll provide her these things too. Certainly you don't buy and you don't even offer these things until you have an advanced stage relationship. You wouldn't do it any more for strange agency woman anymore than you would a woman you just met off the street in London.

How else are you suppose to know these women you asked, other than this "do nothing" survey? You call them on the phone, skype, you trade emails. Hire them and you a terp if you need one. Communication, communication, communication. Stop being paranoid. Quit attempting to live and date vicariously through the agency. They want to be romanced. They do want you to be their knight in shining armor. Most all women do. Instead your ladies are met with polls and surveys. You have to do the work CDW to get into the woman's heart. Nobody can do it for you.

[jone]

A Ukrainian man with the means will buy his woman those things. So will most western men. If you want to keep a woman interest's and in love with you, you'll provide her these things too. Certainly you don't buy and you don't even offer these things until you have an advanced stage relationship. You wouldn't do it any more for strange agency woman anymore than you would a woman you just met off the street in London.

How else are you suppose to know these women you asked, other than this "do nothing" survey? You call them on the phone, skype, you trade emails. Hire them and you a terp if you need one. Communication, communication, communication. Stop being paranoid. Quit attempting to live and date vicariously through the agency. They want to be romanced. They do want you to be their knight in shining armor. Most all women do. Instead your ladies are met with polls and surveys. You have to do the work CDW to get into the woman's heart. Nobody can do it for you.

+1 

(Of course I would have replaced 'heart' with 'knickers'  hehehehe.)

A lady friend of mine, Dasha, was commenting on what type of woman who marries a foreigner.  She said, if they wanted status quo, they would marry a Ukranian.  He is a known quantity and can provide all the necessities of living.  What then is a woman who marries outside of her country looking for?

(Please excuse the rest of this quote ladies, I do not necessarily agree with all of it, but it bears repeating as it is the perspective of a happily married woman from Ukraine, married to a Ukranian.)

She first said that if a woman is marrying outside of her countrymen, she is looking for a higher standard of living.  She also alluded to a sense of adventure.  She finally stated (and my Gal seems to agree with the underlying thought - to an extent) that the woman could very well be damaged as far as local society goes.  (There are multitude of things she could be damaged from.  Use your imagination.)  She wants a reset of her life and will find it in her future husband's arms.  (Better than Hillary Clinton and Dmitri, heh heh)

I like these thoughts because one needs to evaluate an FSU woman and figure out where she fits in.  But the evaluation MUST BE SUBTLE!  It is not an overt evaluation.  Empathy is the key here.  Put yourself, always in a woman's position, just like in the movie "What women want" with Mel Gibson.

CDW, I must confess, I have really enjoyed the thread here.  I don't feel, as others, that you have damaged your chances with any of these women.  What you have done is created dialogue, on this forum, that should give you a real opportunity to learn how to handle a relationship so that it can blossom into something you want and not digress into something you don't.  And you know that I like you, personally.

I have said it before, and I say it again, enjoy yourself.  Even on this chat site where people are saying things that are not necessarily politic, ultimately most of the advice has been spot on.  (DaveMan didn't even bring up Occam's Razor!)  You have the opportunity to spend time among friends who will, I think, modify their perspectives if you enjoy the repartee.

We're pulling for you!

-j

[Patagonie]

Faux Pas :
" Personally, I don't think you'll know anything of real value until you interact in person - see how she lives and behaves and interacts with you."

This is exactly what i think, and what, more and more i am telling. Go and meet !
of course some exchange to know and sort the interest during one month is not so bad.
But on an other hand, some girls can be picky on internet and don't answer you.
But if you tell them you are in the city you will REALLY more easily get a meeting. And the girl who don't want to answer can perhaps have a crush on you.
Many times the outcome came from meetings and i would not be capable to guess it or to anticipate it by writing.
Some girls have stopped to write and ONLY meet men who are in the city. They consider, especially for europeans, that if these guys cannot take a three hours flight (it is a little more complicated than they think) for few hundreds bucks it means that they are shit.

[Patagonie]

Spiro :
"dress-code is important if you want to date Ukr women you need to dress up ,, the women have to be proud of you ,,,


This simple little easy thing they do not want to understand ,, they date ex girls go back to US zero girl ,,save money going back same bad cloth code same mistake  again and again ..."

+5 many guys don't understand how they can improve their mark here. They want very feminine and sexy women, dressed to the nine, but they don't think one second about what WOMEN THINK, and how they feel walking beside a guy with a shorts, in sandals and a cap. Women don't say anything but in their mind your score go in flames. I cannot understand how a lot of average guy make sabotage of themselves, FSU women are very proud.

Pat.

[calmissile]

Spiro :
"dress-code is important if you want to date Ukr women you need to dress up ,, the women have to be proud of you ,,,


This simple little easy thing they do not want to understand ,, they date ex girls go back to US zero girl ,,save money going back same bad cloth code same mistake  again and again ..."

+5 many guys don't understand how they can improve their mark here. They want very feminine and sexy women, dressed to the nine, but they don't think one second about what WOMEN THINK, and how they feel walking beside a guy with a shorts, in sandals and a cap. Women don't say anything but in their mind your score go in flames. I cannot understand how a lot of average guy make sabotage of themselves, FSU women are very proud.

Pat.

I think you might be over emphasizing the dress bit.  Of course when you first meet a gal, you should be dressed nice.  Most of the gals I dated do not want to go out to nightclubs or formal events.  Instead they want to go to informal affairs such as visiting museums, or other landmarks, etc.

I got tired of worrying what my date would like me to wear so I solved the problem easily...... I lay out my clothes on the bed in the apartment and ask what she would like me to wear.  None of them have been histant to pick out what they want me to wear and were never embarrassed to be asked.  Problem solved.

In a couple of cases, they have suggested that we go out the next day and buy something more comfortable for the weather (summer).  Unless someone dresses like a slob, I do not find the women that concerned.   If you want to put on a dog-and-pony show, fine.  I would rather dress in what is comfortable and take a suggestion from the gal what might be appropriate for where we are going.   LOL

[Chelseaboy]

I was told i dressed too well when i went to Kiev.
 
The girls felt intimidated that they weren't dressed as well as me.

[Doll]

(coughDOLLcough).  Most women whom I've ever met understand how to play men. 

You got it!
Doll.

[CDW]

I was told i dressed too well when i went to Kiev.
 
The girls felt intimidated that they weren't dressed as well as me.

under-dressed or over-dressed aren't good.   I see many men trying to impress ladies too hard, by wearing shirts and tie.  They are out of fashion now.    When I was in Cali, Colombia, many 'old' Western men were wearing brown shorts and scandals, and they look out of proportion for him.   

Example:  Dress as smart as wearing Ralph Lauren polo shirts would do the trick, depending on how your looks, facial shape or body shape is, how tall / short you are... etc. 

I am a fan of Ralph Lauren polo shirts & Lacoste polo shirts.  Lacoste for the hot summer and RL for the cooler weather. 

[GQBlues]

No, the one with the longest legs and slender thighs.
Implants can be inserted.  Legs cannot be fixed....

Says who?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1039416/Tall-order-The-bizarre-Russian-clinic-offers-leg-lengthening-surgery-STAND-pain.html


I agree with pitbull. 

[Jumper]

Materialistic women are VERY SAD women, because they do not know how to feel happy with themselves.  They aren't very satisfied women who want more, more, more ........ and they are the sort of women who "must have it"

Many of you are already married to materialistic women, so how do you know that they are really happy ???  You are too busy, in this site.  If I were married to my woman and living with her, I wouldn't waste time on here!!!

FORUMS here is full of bully, attacking.  NOTHING ELSE TO DO?????

I am married and waste some time on here, it's when i have spare time to waste.


The questionare is a bad idea,. the questions themselves are not, but they should be brought up naturally in a progression of communication ,or more preferably in person, and  naturally during  the course of a normal conversation. When some subject comes up, which would lead to the question in a natural manner.


In fact the reality is you don't need to even have these type  questions in the back of your mind?
 the answers to them would come up naturally between two people communicating regularly as part of normal conversation about the other persons  hopes, dreams ,likes and dislikes.


Any women reading that questionare will answer it in whatever way she thinks you want to hear, or just to waste time like you accuse us married people of doing here.


It's not a horrible idea, as you are going thru an agency website and as such might be expected..it could break the ice or get thru a few random questions,
but dont expect anything revealing someones true nature.


There are better and  more natural ways ...

How do you feel about latest technology such as: iPad, iPod, Blackberry, Samsung Galaxy Notebook, and so on?

To base who you might or might not visit based on answers to such questions on an agency site is just not a good method.


Agency profiles are almost completely worthless to know anything about the woman other than the basics of how tall she is,or if she has children.
 Answers to such questions presented in a agency style questionare form ,are nearly as worthless.


My wife is one of the least materialistic people i know.
Yet if i asked her in Ukraine how she felt about a Honda Civic , or a new samsung galaxy mobile phone , she would answer she wanted one !


That would not mean she wanted me to buy it for her,
or that she even expected me to buy the for her.
 or even hoped id buy them for her.
[size=78%]or that a car is even very important to her.[/size]
or that she wants materialistic things..


It would mean she was just being honest, she like to have them in *general*


Just a simple answer.
to a simple question.
To read more into it at the first stage of dating or communication would be silly,
without knowing more abouit her, or having a frame of reference in prior communications to know what she likes wants and dreams of and finds important in  life.
and while fine prodcuts, it certainly isnt a cell phone or civic.




Your questionare is just further communication, thats good,
but it wont provide you with fundamental answers on someones character or integrity.


If you asked me if i liked Ferrari's , I  would say yes,  yes I do!
I'd even like to have one.
it hardly means i expect, or ever think, some  guy nicked CDW
on a internet forum will buy me one.
and while i like the thought of one, its hardly important to me or my family at all.
I cant think of something that wiould be less important.
So its just a silly answer ,but an honest one, to a question presented out of the blue.


try and think about that perspective? When a RW is answering such a questionare

[Jumper]

The real point is that I am NOT afraid of losing her, because I can always find another.  I wish her the best of luck in her search, and also good luck in spending the rest of her life in Ukraine !!!

I'm sure she wouldn't mind if you go in with that attitude.


She may not be looking for a white knight in a mercedes, but she sure isnt looking for a man with that type of attitude to her or her life.

Its good to be confident and not worry over losing a girl or two..

but if you want respect, of who you are ,  then you need to give it initially,whuch seems mnissing in your postsd regarding your *romantic interests*




I have little hope you'd listen to me anyway,

Because I'm that guy, you know the one who doesn't care if his socks match,
what desgner clothes he wears, what other people think of him ,
  or care to analyze or evaluate anything,and never put a questionare together in my life
why? because i've never had to.

If you just go,keep your head on straight to not be used,
and treat the women you meet with respect ,honesty , and actually ask normal questions about their life and dreams, that show you are actually really interested in who they are as a person. you won't have much trouble.


and you know, I've never worn a polo shirt that i remember....
I know every girls crazy about a sharp dressed man..



So i guess i'll just be alone my whole life.. [size=78%] [/size]

[pitbull]

Because I'm that guy, you know the one who doesn't care if his socks match,
what desgner clothes he wears, what other people think of him ,
 

Jumper, with your looks and personality - who cares what clothes you wear. Seriously! 

[ML]

I think you might be over emphasizing the dress bit.  Of course when you first meet a gal, you should be dressed nice. 

I got tired of worrying what my date would like me to wear . . .

I agree with much of what Doug wrote.

But actually I never got tired of worrying what the gals would like me to wear; because I never started worrying about it in the first place.

I just be myself; and the particular gal can like it or not.

As I have mentioned a few times before . . . it is the men who are in short supply, not the women.  We don't have to kowtow to them.

Like Doug,  if a gal were in my apt when we were getting ready to go somewhere, I would  usually ask them to choose a shirt, and most did.

- - - - - - -

The last two days here have been unusual, concerning clothing.  Yesterday, my Gal put on a nice sweater, that was a knockout on her, to wear to nice restaurant.  So, I got onto the top shelf of the master closet, which is cedar lined on all sides including top, got down two vinyl bags that were filled with nice wool, cashmere and other such sweaters.  I told her what was in the bags and told her to choose what she wanted me to wear.

She looked and said:  "I have been here a year and a half and didn't know you had these !!"

I said:  "I just forgot about them."

So today, when we were getting ready to go to basketball game, she got down the bags again and choose another sweater for me.

Tomorrow we are going bowling.  I haven't bowled for 30 years, but she has been asking to do it for several months.  I already have a suspicion about what I am going to be wearing.

I think I am going to be wearing sweaters a lot for the next few days . . . or weeks.
 

[CDW]

I simply pointed out that so many brideseekers, mostly Americans
underestimate importance of a good dress code ..

If they think that dress code isn't important, then why did they dress well when going for job interviews

These girls spent so much time trying to impress men, with their make-up, hair, dress, and why can't these men do the same for them!  They only think of themselves as usual.

Ladies like men to dress well - not under dressed and not over dressed - obviously not tie and suit

[Jumper]

If they think that dress code isn't important, then why did they dress well when going for job interviews

These girls spent so much time trying to impress men, with their make-up, hair, dress, and why can't these men do the same for them!  They only think of themselves as usual.

Ladies like men to dress well - not under dressed and not over dressed - obviously not tie and suit

CDW-

I would not say that dress code is unimportant.It is.
but it lacks the priorities some give it!

There's a huge difference between dressing appropriately for the occasion, or culture.
and actually truly worrying about what label or particular fashion you wear, or what you have to wear as  being some big priority before leaving the home.

I do dress appropriately for a given job interview, which may surprise you can truly vary!!
I also dress appropriately for a date, or for a given culture.
I do think of the reflection on myself ,or her,
and   if shes made an effort to dress well , i would as well.

on the flip side of that, I do not, worry much about fashion overall, or a labels,
  and would not marry or date someone whose priorities  were fashion, or who made judgement on someones character, by what they were wearing at some random  moment in life.

So when in Ukraine , and looking for someone compatible with me, with a more accepting and less concerned sense of fashion, would i want to dress to the *nines* in general? no.

Others have different priorities and that's perfectly normal as well?
It's why we each search for a compatible partner?

With your questionaire styled right out of the back of Cosmo magazine, there certainly would be women that find them useful or entertaining.so maybe a good match in compatibility..


Overall, the over emphasis here on clothing is silly to me.
Most men know whats reasonably appropriate..and dress accordingly.
Any decent woman will judge him on who he is.

The men with out any clue or sense of what to wear in a normal situation,
have larger issues anyway? following some fashion advice here, wont hide
the underlying issues from a normal woman.

[Chelseaboy]

The girls in Ukraine don't dress specifically to impress men.
 
They are actually very competitive with each other,to see  who looks the best.They always want to look better than all the other girls,and they judge each other on their appearance.
 
As i said, i was considered as looking too smart by the glamorous  26 year-old girl and her interpreter i met,and i wasn't wearing a suit or tie,just a shirt and jumper,a nice pair of trousers,nice shoes and a long crombie style coat,with a scarf.(It was a very cold November in Kiev).

She wore tight black leggings or  jeans  with high boots,jumpers and jackets.

[CDW]

The girls in Ukraine don't dress specifically to impress men.
 
They are actually very competitive with each other,to see  who looks the best.They always want to look better than all the other girls,and they judge each other on their appearance.
 

Probably teenager girls or young girls but I am not planning to look for them.   Older women love to dress to impress their date, and to feel good about themselves.

[CDW]

CDW-

on the flip side of that, I do not, worry much about fashion overall, or a labels,
  and would not marry or date someone whose priorities  were fashion, or who made judgement on someones character, by what they were wearing at some random  moment in life.

You or she doesn't need "vogue" fashion to be able to dress well.  It reflexes different personalities.

Ladies love to wear fashionable clothes, perfume, having good hairstyles, not only to impress you, but also feel good about themselves.   They love to feel confidence.

If you are married to her, and she still wears fashionable clothes, perfume, good hairstyle when going out to clubbing, it doesn't mean that she is looking for a man behind your back.  She wants to feel good about herself.

Men love buying new cars but it doesn't mean they are showing off to girls!!!

[Daveman]

If they think I am an idiotic man, then how come they, all want to meet me. 

Well, the two concepts are not mutually exclusive.   

If you are happily married man, then why do you waste your time here?

Ah, but I provide such valuable scintillating commentary as a charitable service.  I get a tax deduction each time some of our members read my posts. Time is money...