Steveboy's Views of Ukrainians

[lordtiberius]

I have been to Kiev 6 times, I was in Kiev for the Eurovision, the Orange revolution. Odessa several times, yalta twice for a summer holiday. As well as that I have travelled ALL over Ukraine buy bus and taxi. I have met my fair share of Ukrainians. Next week Im off for a weekend in Odessa, just for a party.
As for being ripped off by any Ukrainian women, that has never happened to me despite meeting more women from Ukraine than Im sure you ever have!! And I have met them from all backgrounds! Hookers, crooks, house wives , strippers and normal women.

One of my good friends is Ukrainian, I came to know him pretty well after ? Hey what he hacked my site and stole the files My other half is from Transnistria 1 hour from the Ukraine border, she has many Ukrainian friends, funny thing is she doesn't trust one of them and when we are ever in Ukraine she takes particular care with the money to avoid being ripped off . Its even funnier non of my Russian friends trust Ukrainian women, and taking any Ukrainian women back to your apartment after a night out keep hold of your valuables. ( Im speaking about younger women here)

Of course there are plenty of marriage minded women in Ukraine and many genuine honest women, especially the older generation who really do want to find a guy for marriage. I never dispute this fact.
But I think you will find the younger generation 25/35 a different category when it comes to International dating, and YES a big majority ARE out to rook you.
And thats from 10 years experience travelling as well as a considerable amount of Russian friends.

You think I haven't been to Ukraine ? Fool!! You can see many of my pics in Facebook . I don't need to waste my time explaining to idiots like you. And let me remind you "freedom of speech"

My point all the time is there are easier ways to meet FSU women than all the trouble of going to Ukraine, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DONT SPEAK ENGLISH.

great post!

Do you see a difference between those born before independence with those born after?  Is there a difference in Russia or Ukraine?  Thank you in advance for your response.

[lordtiberius]

Whats the big deal with Ukraine for the US guys?? Just down the coast you have all those beautiful latinos!!!!! ?????

I tried this.  The MOB infrastructure is more developed in the FSU.

[lordtiberius]

Latinos in general don't read and act lower-class - the culture is quite different from American white-guy culture .  And I say this as someone who has Latinos who married into my family.  They are happy to have American men as husbands since my nephews don't cheat and aren't stridently macho.

Latinos are less likely to divorce, kill their babies, have other people raise their kids, join fascist churches, religiously adhere to retarded pop culture and junk science  or do the weird crap that is killing our culture and depopulate our nation.  Go white guys.    Go.  so much for lower class . . .

[Chelseaboy]

When somebody who runs a dating site, for the purpose of hooking up Ukrainian and Russian women with foreign guys, tells us that the women under 35 in general can't be trusted,especially in Ukraine,then he should be listened to.
 
He's dealt with far more of those women than any other person on here has,certainly online,and making the statement he has doesn't do his own business any favours either.
 
Of course,we'll get the usual Ukraine fanboys on here saying he's wrong,and there's dodgy people everywhere,but having seen recent footage of a police station in Odessa actually being closed down for corruption among the police officers,in a BBC programme on the drugs problem in Ukraine,and two recent instances of the people that run the country having mass brawls in Parliament,i'd say Ukraine has more than it's fair share of people of dubious integrity,thuggery and morals among its population.
 
From my own personal experience i'm very much inclined to agree with Davemans post,with the caveat that i'd say the majority of women there claiming to be seeking a foreign husband ARE of a shady character,when those women are in the under 35 age group.

[Shadow]

When somebody who runs a dating site, for the purpose of hooking up Ukrainian and Russian women with foreign guys, tells us that the women under 35 in general can't be trusted,especially in Ukraine,then he should be listened to.

On the contrary, you should think about his business perspective and which women he may meet as a result of it. To make it a statement that generalises about all women would be a grave mistake.

Just like one might see that the majority of US men roaming agency sites might not make a trip and make the conclusion that all US men are keyboard Romeos.

Having said that, the entitlement issues in the young generation are quite problematic.

[tfcrew]

My point all the time is there are easier ways to meet FSU women than all the trouble of going to Ukraine, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DONT SPEAK ENGLISH.

Huh?

[Muzh]

So Steve-- tell us how much time you have actually spent in Ukraine. When did you first go there-- and why?
I am asking because from previous forum experiences one of  the biggest Ukraine denigrators failed to acknowledge that he had never actually been there !!
Similarly-- some active members here who comment unfavourably quite often--have not been there in many years-- so I question the validity of the currency of their conclusions in areas that needs  recent exposure.
btw-- you can cross the border and leave in 30 minutes  .lol

Right after Steve tells us how he became an expert in Ukraine, why don't you tell us what makes you such an Ukrainian expert? I'm pretty sure you will correct, again, natives of Ukraine and tell them how wrong they are. 

[Muzh]

Latinos in general don't read and act lower-class - the culture is quite different from American white-guy culture .  And I say this as someone who has Latinos who married into my family.  They are happy to have American men as husbands since my nephews don't cheat and aren't stridently macho.

So you are also an expert, eh? Of Latinos no less. Wow.
 
Between you and me, your last sentences leaves a lot to be desired.

[Slumba]

So you are also an expert, eh? Of Latinos no less. Wow.
 
Between you and me, your last sentences leaves a lot to be desired.

It's a generalization to be sure, but if you have noticed Latinos to be as well-read as the FSUW I have met, I would say they are likely to be an exception. 

Perhaps you just travel in the more upper-crust part of that society ... my nephew married to a Ladino, loves his two daughters and wants to move out of the Central American country , even though everything is safe and the in-laws are nearby.  Reason is that he thinks the culture is not as good as it could be and wants to encourage his daughters to do well.

[XMan]

More Ukrainian women looking for a foreign relationship come into contact with perverts and creeps than any man is scammed. 

Do you think these men are normal? -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/marriage-ukrainianstyle-hopeful-bachelors-from-all-over-the-world-head-to-odessa-in-search-of-a-wife-8701428.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2309867/Soviet-bride-safaris-Inside-seedy-parties-Western-men-hunt-young-Russian-Ukrainian-wives.html

These are men who are going to an economically disadvantaged region to buy women.  IMHO, most (note, I do not say all) deserve to be scammed.

I agree.  I have come across several regrettable but real stories.  One idiot, after leading a woman on for some time about traveling to meet her, required "a topless photo to determine if her breasts were real or enhanced with implants" before traveling.  I wish I were joking.  But I know the woman this happened to.  Needless to say, that was the end of that potential relationship.  But this pales in comparison to other events that happen fairly regularly.  At times it seems quite surprising that a legitimate woman and legitimate man actually meet each other.

[JayH]

I agree.  I have come across several regrettable but real stories.  One idiot, after leading a woman on for some time about traveling to meet her, required "a topless photo to determine if her breasts were real or enhanced with implants" before traveling.  I wish I were joking.  But I know the woman this happened to.  Needless to say, that was the end of that potential relationship.  But this pales in comparison to other events that happen fairly regularly.  At times it seems quite surprising that a legitimate woman and legitimate man actually meet each other.

That is mild compared to some of the misfits requests.It is the part so many men who are maybe legit fail to understand it is equally hazardous for legit girls.
I explained it  as a guy and girl looking for a needle in a haystack-- in different haystacks!! 

[jone]

There are some of those women I would be happy to go in a haystack with.   

[TomT]

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[cc3]

So whats the big attraction to ukraine from US???? Its thousands of miles away! Expensive to visit especially if it goes "Tits up" and its dam cold in the winter!

Whats wrong with the beautiful suntanned latinos , just down the coast from you. You could be sitting in a bar on Copacabana beach sipping cocktails but instead decide to track half way across the world to sit in a bar in kiev freezing your ass off? I know what i would do if i was from the US and it certainly wouldn't involve travelling thousands of miles to Ukraine:)
They must have villages in Bolivia?

To enhance your knowledge of other cultures and of geography, SB:

(1) Beautiful latinos = good looking men! Women are latinas.

(2) Copacabana = Rio de Janeiro, which is 10+ hours flight time from New York. Europe is only 6.5 to 7.5 flight hours from New York. L'viv, nearest city in Ukraine with nonstop service from Germany, is only 1.5 hours flight time from Munchen. Don't dispute me. I was an international airline captain flying both South American and European routes from NYC. I know these routes very well.

(3) Mexico has the same terrorism (narco-cartel) death rates as Iraq. Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo have murder rates among the highest in the entire world. I have had fellow crewmembers mugged, at gunpoint in broad daylight, in both cities. Without almost complete martial law, World Cup, 2014 and Summer Olympics, 2016, may be major law and order disasters for visiting spectators.

Don't preach to those of us from the US where the optimum places are for either meeting compatible ladies or for relocating as expats.

[lordtiberius]

Panama, Columbia, Puerto Rico even Day-Efay is close,safe, cheap and warm but you have to habla.

[Muzh]

It's a generalization to be sure, but if you have noticed Latinos to be as well-read as the FSUW I have met, I would say they are likely to be an exception. 

Perhaps you just travel in the more upper-crust part of that society ... my nephew married to a Ladino, loves his two daughters and wants to move out of the Central American country , even though everything is safe and the in-laws are nearby.  Reason is that he thinks the culture is not as good as it could be and wants to encourage his daughters to do well.

I'll talk of what I know.
 
In the island of PR, over 90% of children attend school and graduate with a HS diploma. Of this whole, over 80% attend college and more than 65% get a 4-year degree (in American accredited colleges) while the rest will end up with an associate. PR has the highest level of education of  unemployed Americans in any state or territory. That's a fact, Jack.
 
There is a waiting list for med-school graduates to enter their residency in PR. They can easily do their residence in the continental US but they prefer to stay in the island. It is NOT uncommon to see med-school graduates teaching at high schools while they wait for their residence. The School of Government at Harvard issued findings of a 1982 study stating that by 1984 over 250,000 (that is a quarter of a million!) PROFESSIONALS were relocating to the continental US because they could not find a job related to their education in the island. That was 30 years ago. I wonder what that number is now. I can tell you that most my neighbors I found through facebook are relocated in FLA, TX, and CA. As a matter of fact, one good friend is one of the team doctors for the Dallas Stars.
 
The population in PR is close to 4 million so you can extrapolate the numbers.
 
In Dominican Republic the numbers are lower.
 
Central and South America is a different animal altogether where you have a high number of people living inland away from the cities and with not much sources for education because the government is non-existent. Still, many from the cities make their way to the US for college and some do stay in the US. I was having a discussion last month with a number of public health officials from Nicaragua and Costa Rica. Many got their education in the US.
 
Now, you are talking most probably about the minority who comes to the US as undocumented who manages to stay under the radar. Still, the parents of many of these children encourage, and knowing how they are, will force their children to get an education as they know that is the only way out of the hole.
 
Stats show that over 80% of Latinos in that bracket in the US will get their HS diploma and many will aspire to go to colleges.
 
Those are facts, not name-calling. Upper crust that.