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[jb]

Horseman,

I sent you a rather lengthly PM, which I see you choose to dismiss.

If you feel you are better able to read and understand posts here while sitting on the crapper, that's your choice.  Most of us try to do our thinking a bit above the waist.  If moving your bowels and stirring the result allows you to see into the future, I'm obviously barking up the wrong tree, but I've heard of people who do such crazy things.

Let me share a secret with you, Horseman, RWs of high quality will not be caught dead living in a farm/ranch environment.  Because of what you are, and where you live, even your very lifestyle, condemns you to failure if you persist in a quest for a decent RW wife.  You will end up with a desperate woman who would have married anybody to escape her own dreary life.  This will not be a woman who loves you for who you are, you will merely be a mule, a ticket, a passport to the promised land.

I hope you can live with that.  You being an Okie explains a lot.

PS... Don't try to insult me, you don't know me.  If you do try that, I will bury you.  You are too new to the forum to have found your niche yet, but so far I fear, you have fallen in with bad company.  Try to analyse posts from people and glean the essence of what they are saying.   Many times being able to read between the lines is a whole lot better than what is actually written.  Seldom will a man reveal his real intentions on a board such as this because he doesn't want to expose his mistakes, weaknesses, and lifelong bad habits. 

There are a number of men here who can be trusted to give you good straight up advice and guidance, look for men who have long experience in Russia, look for men who have been married a few years, look for men without an agenda.  In other words, don't take anything said by someone who knows less than you do literally or personally.

If I could share anything with you it would be to swallow a grain of salt with each whopper story you read on the internet.

[Turboguy]

Well, I have been behaving myself and staying out of this one and I am one of the main Rah-Rah or whatever jb calls it.  I guess I hate to miss all the fun here.

First off jb.

most of the membership here who count, the married men

Are we changing the name from RWD to HRWD and did I miss that.   (Husbands of Russian Women Discussion)  Everyone counts here jb.  Even the ones you think are no accounts.

Based on the PM feedback I get from the other members I know what they think of you
Ok so a couple of your cronies don't like him, big deal.  If every member pm'd you then I would think you were right.  I don't have any bad feelings towards anyone.

Many times being able to read between the lines is a whole lot better than what is actually written.  Seldom will a man reveal his real intentions on a board such as this because he doesn't want to expose his mistakes, weaknesses, and lifelong bad habits. 

jb, I think you mean well but I have noticed you have a tendency to read things between the lines that are not there.  I have discussed that before.  As far as exposing his mistakes, you are right, just ask photoguy.  Exposing too much here is not good and it should not be that way.

Let me share a secret with you, Horseman, RWs of high quality will not be caught dead living in a farm/ranch environment.  Because of what you are, and where you live, even your very lifestyle, condemns you to failure

I will agree that a born and raised Muscovite might sooner vote to go to hell than to live on a ranch or a farm but everyone has their own ideas of what they want and the kind of person they want.  Your idea of the kind of woman every man should want might be very different than his or mine.   Of the RW-AM married couples that I know personally the happiest is a friend of mine who lives on a farm in the boonies of Michigan.  Actually I hooked them up so that makes me extra happy.  There are lots of gals that would be quite happy living on a ranch with a good man.

Ok, now I am done with that.  I will get back on topic.

Personally I think anyone who gets a vasectomy does not need to explain the reasons.  It is his own business.   For my choice, if they said I had to choose between a vasectomy and having one leg amputated, I would be walking with crutches.  It is my choice, my reasons, my business, just as his decisions, right or wrong are his business.

As far as lying to the gal, if he wanted to do that I would be sending more nasty Pm's to jb than anyone.   That suggestion sucked. 

He has discussed it with her.  If she is OK with it and he is OK with it that is their business too.  All he asked was how to deal with it.  He dealt with it.

jb, maybe you should think about taking up basket weaving or something to calm your nerves a bit.  You need to chill out a little.  I know you are a direct person but I think your directness can drive people away from your ideas which are often good. (and sometimes not just like everyones ideas)

[jb]

Geesh~! Michael, you said you were finished with this thread.  So much for your word on anything.  BTW, I do know what "context" means and I won't let you weasel out on that one.  One more attempted fraud on your part.

After a careful review of Gef's posts thus far, I can only conclude you must have some inside information the rest of us are not privvy to.  He never said anything about why he got fixed, in fact, he said the reasons were "too private and complex" to discuss here.  Please share with us this new information that lets you expound upon this new theme.  I'm pretty sure this new line of reasoning you are pursuing is merely a figment of your own imagination as you try desperately to get out of the hole you've dug for yourself.  (the law of holes say; "when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging"). He hasn't said that he got fixed so that he could enjoy unprotected sex with anyone.  Of course, it was my supposition that, in fact, he did just that while engaged in a throw-away relationship to avoid the possibility of long term child support to a woman with whom he viewed as a temporary relationship. Married or otherwise.

Michael, I liked it better when I thought we were rid of you.

OMG~! I see Turbo has joined the fray, probably the most illogical of all the virgin chasers.  T/G, shut up, this fist fight is between me and the Doctor. Who, BTW, hasn't explained that part adequately yet either.

[Admin]

OMG~! I see Turbo has joined the fray, probably the most illogical of all the virgin chasers.  T/G, shut up, this fist fight is between me and the Doctor. Who, BTW, hasn't explained that part adequately yet either.

Yeah - the fist-fight doesn't belong here.

You guys need to take it down to the NHB section - if you feel the need to continue.

- Dan

[jb]

  Dan, these guys couldn't handle NHB.

[Turboguy]

Hummm virgin chasers.  Now I know why my trips don't resemble a sex tourists trips.  Here I thought it was because I was chasing the wrong gals who were out of my league.  Some guy named jb told me that.  I will have to ask the gal I will be out with in 10 days if she is a virgin.  It might be embarrassing though since her 22 year old daughter is going to interpret for us.

jb, I just am starting to worry about your health.  You are getting to wound up.  Have you checked your blood pressure lately,  Take some deep breaths, take a long walk and look at the stars, weave a few baskets, take up painting.  Life is too short to get so uptight about someone problems that don't have any real meaning to you anyway.  You have some great ideas but they would come off better with a more positive and helpful tone to your posts.

These guys seem to be able to handle themselves anywhere you can, lets go to NHB if you want to keep going.  Personally, I think everyone should chill out a bit.

[TheHorseman]

Ok, Where to start.

Dan I can see that you are trying to direct this misdirected topic to a different venue.  Though I don’t really want to continue in a battle of words with anyone that thinks their words are more important than anyone else’s.

I do however want to say a few things in this “My final post” on this particular subject.  It has been suggested that RWs of high quality will not be caught dead living in a farm/ranch environment.  Because of what you are, and where you live, even your very lifestyle, condemns you to failure if you persist in a quest for a decent RW wife.  I guess my standards aren’t as high as jb’s.  I search for love in my women,,, not High quality.

My being an Okie as apposed to a Texan (I think that is what I heard the jb was) This thrills me to no end.  Texans usually think they are better than everyone else. We are used to them around here. There has been a long standing Red River Rivalry between our two states.  The joke here is that Texans claim they “just walk up and stick it in”  While Okie’s “just stick it in and walk up”.

Jb,,, Yes I did get your PM.  I actually didn’t get it until after I read your post.  Sorry I am a bit new to the site and apparently my pop up blocker wasn’t allowing the notices.  I will pay more attention from now on.  Your Pm was interesting to say the least. The quote “You need to switch to decaf and learn to use "spell check".  Your last post had so many grammatical, contextual, and spelling errors as to be almost unreadable.  I found most of your response to be crude and extremely rude, but I'll overlook the part about wanking off in a cup, that was really bad.”  Now isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black.  But thanks for the tip on the spell check.  I will do that just for you jb.

I didn’t realize that you were a Psychotherapist.  You went to great length to point out all the little tell tail signs that indicated to you that Gef was a complete nut job.  I would love to have you analyze me.  I will even give all the information you need.  In fact My life is an open book, and it is available on my website and it tells everything about ME, MY marrage, MY divorce, My learning to be Single again and how I became interested in Russian women.

You said “Seldom will a man reveal his real intentions on a board such as this because he doesn't want to expose his mistakes, weaknesses, and lifelong bad habits.”  Well I have just done that.  I will even go a step farther,  My actual reason for joining this site was to promote my site and my books.  Though I don’t mind sharing my SMALL amount of experience with anyone that is interested in the Road less traveled.  Though there may be women of lower stardards in those places.  We can't all be blessed with your quailities jb.

I realize I haven’t covered all the obvious comebacks that I could have with easy.  But I will say this in closing…. Jb, you remind me of my brother.  He is an extremely intelligent man, but he thinks he is smarter than everyone else.  He has No people skills and puts people off with his arrogance.  Once he actually said to me “I wish I could do what you do and could work with people.”  My reply to him was “Stop treating people like you’re better than they are,, You aren’t”.  Food for thought!

[Admin]

Ok, Where to start.

Dan I can see that you are trying to direct this misdirected topic to a different venue.  Though I don’t really want to continue in a battle of words with anyone that thinks their words are more important than anyone else’s.

Will,

Some time ago, I noticed that some guys (and gals) on the board reach a point where they are intractible and no matter what I say or do to try to nudge things back on-topic, they just HAD to 'mix it up'. Because I did not (and do not) want to insert myself through active moderation into the posts, I elected to create a No-Holds-Barred section (NHB) for people to beat each other up - piss on each other's boots - and just otherwise have a 'go' at one another.

On occasion, I have found it necessary to take otherwise valuable topics and move the entire mess to the NHB section. I don't like doing that because I think it detracts from what might be (or have been) an otherwise valuable topic. It is sort of like a 'last resort'.

Of course I have other 'tools' for moderation - but my preference (a strong preference) is to not intervene much at all - and to impose on the members to self-moderate wherever possible. It mostly works. My sincere hope is that members will make adult responsible decisions to get things back on track themselves - but sometimes they are so 'invested' in the conflict they cannot seem to see straight. I am glad to hear you say you are not in that place.

Anyway, just a bit of background about the NHB section and its genesis.

FWIW

- Dan