Help! email complications, red flags?

[Bruno]

BTW I'm lazy to search information in Net but I'm just sure a price for tickes at plane "Mariupol'-Kiev" will be  not much bigger than a price for SV-cabin in train:?

I have make the search  ... more low price : 76$ of 85$  ... and very short trip : 1h50...

Link : http://www.ukrainefare.com/flights/Mariupol-MAR.php

 

[Elen]

I told you only RICH men used SV-cabins:P

[TheArrow]

I think, that Russian (Ukrainian) woman is too capricious, sorry.

[BC]

I think, that Russian (Ukrainian) woman is too capricious, sorry.

I never knew what this word meant until I met my wife and looked it up in the dictionary

[TheArrow]

I think, that Russian (Ukrainian) woman is too capricious, sorry.

I never knew what this word meant until I met my wife and looked it up in the dictionary [/quote]this means - she demands alot without giving anything back. I generall, of course.

[Photo Guy]

Bruno,
Thank you. Good advice, as usual.
(Let us stay away from 'politics'.   Doug

[Photo Guy]

Elen,
Am I corrupting her (already?)
How can I resist? She is so sweet and adorable!  Doug

[Photo Guy]

Photo guy,

 

If I could only give you one piece of advice it would be this-  You MUST have a translator that you can TRUST will tell you everything the women says.  SNIP  Because if the chemistry is there, the language barrier will not be a problem and you will learn how to quickly communicate to each other.
Just my 2.5 kopecks

Okay. Sounds good. What's a kopeck? How many hryvnias?
Turboguy recommended a good interpreter. If she isn't good,
I'll go with Pavel next time.  Thanks,      Doug

[Photo Guy]

Thank you very much for your understanding as to the tickets! I feel not very comfortable to ask you about this, but I have no other way. Well, I called to the train station and told that both way tickets cost 100$. You can send this money through Western Union, you don't need to have my phone number, you will need only my full name and my postal address! Then they will give you the Money Transfer Control Number and you will write it to me (you may do it through this agency)!
Once more, thank you very much for your understanding!

Western Union again..... Your girl knows the details about how to send and to get money via Western Union. Sounds strange. Very strange.
Well....... She is not a kind of scam who want to get money from ya. Probably, she just wants to change the country of living.
Sorry for my words. But when I hear the words "Western Union" - it drives me nuts.
[/quote]
I understand your point, BUT, I had written to her: 'Please find out how much the fare will be....should I send it through Western Union?'  I initiated the idea that she should investigate W Union and the fare info.   Doug L.

[Photo Guy]

Western Union again..... Your girl knows the details about how to send and to get money via Western Union. Sounds strange. Very strange.

I'm sure it was he himself  who learned her how to use Western Union:D
(If I remember right Photo Guy mentioned he paid for translation of his letters and his girl said to him once she had not enough time to study English:P)
[/quote]
Elen, what does this mean? Was it insincere for her to say that?
That was one of our early emails, in December. Since then she has
agreed to learn English. Maybe she is one of those people who
feels intimidated by learning a foreign language. I can't explain it.
I will bring that subject up with her again.  Doug

[Photo Guy]

PS Bruno I'm sure Arrow meant absulutely another thing when she said what she felf  when hear the words "Western Unuion":?

Guess that feels like fingernails dragging down a chalkboard..

What the heck.. a hundred to find out if it's a scam? quite cheap..[/quote]
BS has awakened!  ...Exactly correct. It's a kind of poker (card) game.
I'll throw in the $100 to see her hand (cards). Not such a bad price
to pay. I'm just SLIGHTLY paranoid about the whole 'scam' thing.
She could be justifiably paranoid too, and wondering if I'm a sex tourist.
She hasn't asked for $1000 for her sick grandma.

[Photo Guy]

PS Bruno I'm sure Arrow meant absulutely another thing when she said what she felf  when hear the words "Western Unuion":?

The two other "Western Union" i know are the US and EU :D:D
Stay on topic !!! OK ! Doug, asking money by e-mail ( specialy with western union ) is a red flag... put these woman in trashbin... next one... :?
[/quote]
I sent her an email today telling her that she is too old for me,
and that she probably would not make a good mother, because
she would teach our children to use Western Union and they
would never understand her Russian/Ukrainian gestures.   Doug

[Photo Guy]

Well....... To pay for good translator, to pay for tickets, to pay for.... whatever.

As for me, for example, I could find $100 to buy tickets and to go to another city for the first meeting in real. Coz none is obliged to buy me tickets if we meet first time in real. The first meeting in real means almost equal rights. You can book a room in the hotel for her. But you are NOT OBLIGED to buy tickets for her. If she goes to the Net cafe, if she has a cell phone - she is ABLE to find $100 to buy tickets.

Sorry, if I sound too sharp-tongued but think logically, please, before doing something or sending money to somebody.

We are running in circles coming back to one important subject - before starting e-mailing to somebody on the Net be sure she is able to speak English even just a little. Be sure that she definitely speaks English (with an accent, of course) by trying to call her. .... Think logically and finish this list with what benefits you will have - no translator, no misunderstanding, the confidence in who you are communicating and NOBODY else reads your e-mails - youst she and you.

Sage advice. I have learned a lesson. If I could do it over again,
I would choose someone who speaks English and does not need
the AGENCY for communicating. On the other hand, if this works
out well, then it was a postive destiny, kismet, meant to be.   Doug

[Photo Guy]

BTW I'm lazy to search information in Net but I'm just sure a price for tickes at plane "Mariupol'-Kiev" will be  not much bigger than a price for SV-cabin in train:?

I could NOT find a plane flight from Mariupol (a major city of
half a million) to Kiev!!!  What kind of country is this? Bruno pointed out that a train goes to Donetsk and a plane from there to Kiev. Guess what? The train schedule does not match-up with the plane schedule. It takes days to get anywhere. It doesn't help that Mariupol is one of the furthest cities from Kiev. Okay, I'm finished complaining. :?    Doug
PS   What about buses?

[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Well....... To pay for good translator, to pay for tickets, to pay for.... whatever.

As for me, for example, I could find $100 to buy tickets and to go to another city for the first meeting in real. Coz none is obliged to buy me tickets if we meet first time in real. The first meeting in real means almost equal rights. You can book a room in the hotel for her. But you are NOT OBLIGED to buy tickets for her. If she goes to the Net cafe, if she has a cell phone - she is ABLE to find $100 to buy tickets.

Sorry, if I sound too sharp-tongued but think logically, please, before doing something or sending money to somebody.

We are running in circles coming back to one important subject - before starting e-mailing to somebody on the Net be sure she is able to speak English even just a little. Be sure that she definitely speaks English (with an accent, of course) by trying to call her. .... Think logically and finish this list with what benefits you will have - no translator, no misunderstanding, the confidence in who you are communicating and NOBODY else reads your e-mails - youst she and you.

Sage advice. I have learned a lesson. If I could do it over again,
I would choose someone who speaks English and does not need
the AGENCY for communicating. On the other hand, if this works
out well, then it was a postive destiny, kismet, meant to be. Doug

Well........Photo Guy...... I was thinking logically. For example, if I want to marry English-speaking man I must know or start learning (at least) English language. If things go Ok with him and if I marry him I will live in English-speaking country. It means I MUST communicate with people in English. The knowledge of English will make my adaptational period shorter and I will be able to join any courses to study something to get a job or even join any courses to improve my professional skills that were got in Russia. That was JUST a short example - I tried to think logically again.

[Elen]

Elen, what does this mean? Was it insincere for her to say that?
That was one of our early emails, in December. Since then she has
agreed to learn English. Maybe she is one of those people who
feels intimidated by learning a foreign language. I can't explain it.
I will bring that subject up with her again. Doug

Oh Thanks God she agreeded  Thanks once more:D:D

 You see Photo Guy I consider the efforts to learn language of guy who I suppose to date as a sign of elementary respect for him. If it would be need I'd learn even Chinese:D

[Elen]

http://www.aeromost.com/index.php?action=schedule&airport=IEV&lang=ru&PHPSESSID=517d0485d4f5371e898732d3889065ff#

Plane time-schedule (there is no prices there though but I was told it's about 300 griven)

[Admin]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

I could NOT find a plane flight from Mariupol (a major city of half a million) to Kiev!!!  What kind of country is this? Bruno pointed out that a train goes to Donetsk and a plane from there to Kiev. Guess what? The train schedule does not match-up with the plane schedule. It takes days to get anywhere. It doesn't help that Mariupol is one of the furthest cities from Kiev. Okay, I'm finished complaining. :?    Doug
PS   What about buses?

Distance from Mariupol to Kyiv is more than 900 kilometers. It is a LONG way, and the domestic flights from Kyiv do NOT have daily service. Further, this is a good example where, if the flight does not have a sufficient passenger load (as is often the case), they can (and do) cancel the flight with no warning.

Buses? Yes, of course you can find a series of buses that will run between Mariupol and Kyiv - but considering that they are lucky to average 100 km per hour, you are talking about a 9 (or more) hour journey. Not my idea of fun.

There are two practical alternatives - one is an overnight train, and the other is a domestic flight to Donetsk and private car from Donetsk to Mariupol (still, another 2 or 3 hour drive).

Because Donetsk is a much larger city than Mariupol, domestic flights operate daily and are rarely cancelled.

Be advised that Donetsk is the heart of the Russian Donbas region and the center of organized crime activity in eastern Ukraine.

I hope this helps.

- Dan

[Photo Guy]

 You see Photo Guy I consider the efforts to learn language of guy who I suppose to date as a sign of elementary respect for him. If it would be need I'd learn even Chinese:D

Yes. I agree. It does concern me.  Doug

[Photo Guy]

Dan and Elen,
spaceeba. I mean 'thank you'.  I have sent an email to that
airline website for info.

Dan, what are you saying about Donetsk? Should it be entirely
avoided? If she takes a train from Mariupol to Kiev, does she go
through Donetsk? Is that a danger for her?    Doug

[Elen]

Is that a danger for her?

 Psss! She is not 3 years old kid at least. Stop worry about her and take care about yourself