Agency VS Agency fair foul or low life

[Marc Dayton]

A 3 part question for all RWD members and agencies

Question 1 is commond an agency seels from another by cut past and copry or he trys to buy or stell data bace from an agency is this fair or foul

 

Question 2

One agency buys contact infomashion for a girl by bribbing an employe off paying a Russian girl for data base. This person knows you have a 100% policey that any employe a Russian girl in your office is selling data base girls phone numbers address would be fired in a second flat.

The same person who buys this infomashion tells other employes of the agency that he paid for and names the Russian girl that he paid for contack info. He knows that these employes will go strait to the owner of the agency and tell him so and so just sold phone number & address to this other agency

What the hell he just got this Russian girl fired he knows that so he must have wanted to have the girl fired or he just dose not care that the Russian girl will be fired.

Man in my book bragging and getting someone fired when he new what would happen to her is just below low ?

would you want to work with an agency with such a low standard

 

 

 

 

[catzenmouse]

Agency or not. A thief is a thief. If someone lied to this girl to get information from her and she gets fired for doing something she thought was legit then she may be better off not working for someone like that.

As you are an agency owner (which would be good to put into your post to keep everything up front) I'm wondering if this is a lead in to an accusation towards another agency. Is it?

Ken

[Bruce]

Marc, I believe, is a co-owner of Lifetimepartners, based in Tver, Russia.

Marc, I am sure every individual who has a sense of ethics understands it is wrong to steal another agencies database.  It is a violation of the clients (girls and or guys) rights who joined the agency which had the database stolen, and is a violation of the proprietary rights of the agency whom the database was stolen from.  The employee who gave the information / database of girls / guys / other proprietary information to another company should be held accountable.  The stealing agency individual(s) who report (brag about) the employee who sold them the database should be censored.  Money should be compensated by the employee who stole and sold the proprietary information to the company where he / she originally stole the database from.  The individual who stole the information as well as the original agency should be subject to lawsuit from the girls / guys whose information was unwillingly and unknowingly sold.  Firing is not enough in this case for the employee.   The agency who had their database stolen should be repremanded for inadequate security.  This is an ugly situation.  I feel sorry that this occurred and hope the agency whose database was pilfered has security in place to prevent reoccurrence of this heinous event.  That said, I believe the situation you report is common for MOB and it hurts all agencies.

Marc, when did this occur, to whom and why do you bring this information to RWD at this time?

 

[Marc Dayton]

The reason for this post

Are we not all looking for an honest wife so that means we want to know the agency we use is honest too. We all know some agency will try anything to make money. I can even understand trying to get info on girls.

The question is how low will some Agency go to cause harm to another agency.

I am just sick that I need to fire this girl because the agency snitched her off. I belive there is a reason for this it is because she did not sell him the data base for what they wanted to pay. So if I fire the girl they are hopeing to pay less for it or that she will take it to another sorce. That puts me between a rock and a hard place.

 The agencies all read these post so if you the board members speak out maybe it will paint a clear message that you wont put up with this type of low snitching to get a poor girl fired.

The post will also tell these agency from me I know what there up to, and you can call this what you want, but I will make shere that if I fire this girl that she knows why and who told on her. Then they can live with what they did?

I just dont understand how these agency don't want to stand on there own two feet is there no pride in saying to the world I did this on my own two feet my own back are these agency so jealous of who and what you are that they try to hurt the pepole that feed them. I am just sick of it and pepole that bite the hand that feed them.

 

 

 

[catzenmouse]

Marc,

Yes, we as former/current/future FSUW seekers do want and need an  honest agency to work with. I know of several that I would reccommend  and of several that I would tell people to run from. I belive that this  is one of the purposes of boards like this one.

I apoligise, I misread your original post about the girl knowing what she was doing.

Have you spoken with her to find out the reasons for her actions? Has  she actually given the database to the other person? If so, and you  have a well stated policy about such behavior then there really is not  a choice about firing her.

This could be a very bad situation for all involved. If the girls  pictures/info ends up being used as bait for scammers then honest girls  will end up pictured on blacklists without knowing anything about it.  Will you be informing them of this possibility?

In any business there is corporate spying and theft. This is no  different in that respect but maybe a bit more blatent in methodology.  The greed of agency owners will often go far beyond any ethics they may  have or have at one time had. In our case, after we had been married  for some months we got several e-mails and Elena got a couple of phone  calls from the agency where we met telling us that we needed to pay a  $300.00 "Bride Fee" to them. We were told that it was in the contract  that Elena signed when she joined the agency. I replied that if she  signed a legal contract for such (Elena does not remember any such  document) we would pay it and to please send me the contract? After  multiple requests for this document we have never recieved it and have  had no more requests for this money. All goes to prove to me that it  did not exist and it was just a poor attempt at extortion. Any Russian  business person that I know of would have made some genuine attempts to  get this amount of money collected if it was real to begin with.  Dishonesty comes in many shapes and sizes.

Ken

[Rvrwind]

Okay, I'm going to add my thoughts to this & I may get flamed but please before you do, think logically & from the point of view of a competing agency & one that knows Marcs modis operandi quite well.

First lets determine right off the bat one thing: was the person in question truly bribed or was the information offered? Was the person employed with the company at the time or was this person not an employee at the time?

The way I see it for one thing, in the way Marc operates, he has no control over what goes on in Tver. He shows up once or twice a year, fires & hires & rehires old fired employees, then gets on a plane & heads home. That doesn't buy him, as an employer, much credibility or loyalty from people, that is fact.

He has several people in his office that have access to his data base, a totally unnessessary situation, if you are taking care of buisness. I know Marc will come up with a hundred reasons why he can't be here & that is not the point. If you are not here, you don't have control, period, & that is the bottom line. You cannot run a buisness from 10,000 miles away, not in Russia.

He has fired employees who being somewhat disgrutled & having had access to the information in his data base are going to retaliate, period. If that means selling his data base to the highest bidder well that is the consiquences of actions that he himself has perpetrated. You can't fire everybody & then hire them back months later & expect them to be loyal to you knowing that it is quite possible that in another six months you will blow back into town & do it all over again. Loyalty & respect are not earned in this fashion, I should have thought Ivanovo would have taught you that, if nothing else.

From my point of veiw, I am in charge, nobody has access to my data base or my website, but me. My webmaster has access to the website but not my data base of ladies & men. Sorta limits the possibility that it can ever be stolen. Not only that I have surrounded myself with people I trust & know that they cannot be bought for any amount of money. Marc knows this well, as his company has been trying unsuccessfully to hire my #1 interpreter away from me for the past year. True friendship, loyalty, trust & respect are earned, not bought.

The way I look at it is thusly. I would not approach a current employee & bribe them as you put it for the information. However if this same employee was at the time not working for you & came to me & offered me this information for a price, well I hate to say it Marc but I wouldn't hesitate, I'd buy it in a heartbeat if I had the cash to do so & I wouldn't feel one bit guilty. That's buisness. Its like dealing drugs, its against the law to sell them, its against the law to posses them, but the loophole is, it is not against the law to buy them.

The loophole in this circumstance, the way I see it, is as long as I don't just add your entire data base to my site but contact each individual on the list & ask them to join our program, thereby getting their permission, I see nothing illegal or imoral about that. Lets face it, we are in the same city, we are going to have women who are on several sites, am I therefore required to check with you or the other agencies before I sign a woman to my program & refuse her if she is in yours, I don't think so. So what difference does it make how I get the lady to sign up, through local advertising or by purchasing a database that was offered for sale.

Like I said I wouldn't actively seek out & bribe anybody, but if it is offered, why not & if it is a current employee & he/she gets fired over it, that ain't my problem. They know the rules, they made the choice, they decided their fate, end of story.

Thats just my take on it. If you don't want such worries & want more loyalty from your employee's it is incumbant on you to change your tactics & mode of operation, not on others to keep your employees in check by refusing to purchase information that is of value to them.

JMHO

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

 

[jb]

Richard,

Seeing as how your stable of fillies has not grown very much,  I  think we can rule you out as the potential buyer of the LTP Tver  database.

But, I agree with you 100%, business is business.  In fact, in  your shoes I might be checking out all the girls from Tver in all the  competition's web sites and giving them a call in an attempt to sign  them up. 

I see nothing wrong or underhanded in your methods whatsoever. 

[Bruno]

In fact, in your shoes I might be checking out all the girls from Tver in all the competition's web sites and giving them a call in an attempt to sign them up. 

Since my own goal is too find a men for each lady's, i don't see problem with this until the agency owner contact the lady and the lady agree to work with the new agency.

Richard, if you wish, you can contact all the lady from Tver in my site... and ask them to join your site

http://www.love-from-russia.be/woman/0000371.htm

Sorry, i have only one on my site

Via PM, i send you the contact information ( e-mail ) from 3 other woman from Tver... they are from my personal reserve database ( around 5000 ladies ) ...

[Marc Dayton]

Nice spin on this Richard,

There is a second storie starting to come out of this, but knott the one you want to tell. Your #1 interputer worked for us long before she worked for you. Since you want to spin this maybe you should talk to her about how she feels, but you wont your liveing in your own world, and will only see things your own way. I am a bit hard headed myself though.

I don't want to fight with you so I will keep this simple.

Less take your spin on this. If the girl was not working for us at the time. Then she was hired back? you still have to ask why would the man snitch her off after not before Why wait till then. You seam to know something your not talking about ?

Richard when you have more then one person working for you then more then one person will have accuss to your data base. I hope one day you will learn this. About respect I 100% agree with you! you should try to earn it not demand it or lie to get respect.

Once agen nice spin on this earth to Richard.

 

 

 

 

[Marc Dayton]

Thinking about this and you spin on it ?

Maybe we should stop beating around the bush the more I think about your post its only a matter of time before you or I fly off the handel ?

Your spin on LTP is for one simple reason you are the one who snitched off the girl you are the one who just like you spin on LTP  are the one who bites the hand that helped you. When you lost your home who helped you who gave you the money to go home and try and save your home Dennis my partner. Have you offered him one dime back, or has he even pushed you to pay him back?

  My turn to call you out a bit for how long have you been saying the girls in your progream are the same girls in my progream will if they are were are they?

talk is cheep lets walk the walk. You asked me to help you by letting your men meet my girls I tell you No. then we find out 3 weeks latter one of my girls sold you a name and a number. Were you so pissed off at the girl for not giveing you the data base that you snitched her off?

If this is true Richard why did you not tell me when I was there for a mounth, it only came up after I left Tver one week latter John is in Tver, and you tell and American co worker about buying the info. You new John would come back and tell me!

So put you spin on that and tell me why you told him knowing what would happen to the girl. Richard you should think about how you get your info, and burning the person who gave it to you that is the point of this whold story, and post.

Your spin on the story was only to make you feel better about betraing the pepole that try to help you. Dennis Me and the girl!!

Just like the story about changing your fees to dollars you live in your own world hell just look at your site its all about you, were is the girls that you have told the world you have.

100% Richard respect is something you earn on your own back not by sh_ting on those that try to help you! 

Know you got what you wanted from me from your post.

[Admin]

OK, OK - see how naive I am?? I had no idea there was a little conflict brewing right here on RWD?!?

I do not know that the source of the conflict - nor the blame or culpability - but I *do* know that I don't want for you guys to air it on RWD.

Take it off-line and sort it between yourselves. I do not plan to add a "Virtual Cage-Fighting" section to RWD any time soon.

- Dan