Meeting with a Pro-Dater. My Story.

[valence]

HandyCam, my comments were not provenanced in a desire to hurt or insult you.  Apologies if it came across that way...

[Maniac999]

Handycam,You're clown. If you are not aware of this huge red transparents from the beginning, then its no wonder your getting ripped off by little girls. lol

[Johnny2009]

Handycam,You're clown. If you are not aware of this huge red transparents from the beginning, then its no wonder your getting ripped off by little girls. lol

WOW  That's a really harsh first post! The guy made plenty of mistakes but had the guts to tell everybody in detail!

Taking your photo into account, I have a question? Which end does the taking? 

[CallMeSasha]

Handycam,You're clown.

maybe he is but i pity you more than him 

[MatryoshkaMan]

Handycam I read your TR like a lurid novel which I just couldn't put down! You were fed into the Western Man grinder and spat out the other side..

I was just in Moscow for 2 weeks and my impression is that most women there are devious and will use you like a paper towl if you give them a chance. They are haughty, difficult, needy, high-maintenance and demanding. Have I forgotten anything? Most men going over there have no idea about the shark tank in which they are going to swim in. The women are the sharks and they are the bait. How any men can get through this process from start to finish without going broke mentally and financially? Seems more dangerous than walking through a minefield blindfolded at night to me...But hey I am in that minefield right now!

As far as the age thing you **perhaps** were a little out of your league with this young firecracker. But then again you might be good-looking, chiselled and have a bulging wallet for all I know. If not you might have been somewhat deluding yourself. Would this young woman go for you in your hometown? If maybe, then you had a fighting chance. If "not in a million years" then you were trying to use your leverage as a "western man" to get an edge. But this will only work if the woman you are chasing is sincere.

Don't give up, just be more realistic next time. Stop using agencies and make direct contact yourself! Join singles.ru and get out of the WM meat grinder!

[JR]

$500 for ONE day! My only question is: Why the F*** was there a second day?

[RussianWind]

$500 for ONE day! My only question is: Why the F*** was there a second day?

Love is blind, you don't know this?

[JR]

Love is blind, you don't know this?

Of course it is but you can still read the writing on the wall by using Braille!!! And at $500 bucks a day....oh never mind. At least this T/R is a good warning to others, thx for posting it dude. I hope your next experience is a better one.

[Mir]

A quote from the young lady's profile:

I know that life is perfect,I just want somebody to share this perfect life with

 

Hmmm and curiously few members rate her as 9 based on professionally taken provocative photos in full makeup.
Personally I would not rate her as a 9 even if she was in US or UK.

[valence]

Well...  where would you put her?  Or alternatively, can you show a 9 for benchmark purposes?

[Miss FSU]

Found this story pretty entertaiming
But, come on guys, dont call this highly non-professional gang- pro-daters.  :cluebat:You'll offend real prodaters this way
I worked as an interpriter for most of kiev agenciesas a part-time job while was a student and have seen loads of different cases.

I would say that real prodater would never be reported.

Whats more EVERY agency has some % of prodating traffic(income is shared between the owner & girls).But no agency would want a girl who would act so direct and stupid as in this report.

The most pro-dating agencies & interpriters are listed on your forums as highly recomended honest services with lots of positive reviws(although no marriage results ) That is what I would call real PRO

I was neither pro-interpriter neither professional interpriter but I knew for sure that

a) I am the best friend of foreigner, not the gal
b) No communication bitween me and gal during session
c) No phone calls

Those are the main points that could guarantee good tips

I won't cound the dater's mistakes there are minimum 100 of them, but they were lucky enough to have such a stupid customer, I don't even remember anyone who could eat such an obvious scam

[Lily]

Miss FSU, welcome to the forum   you have a very promising nickname I anticipate a great interest to your posts here.

I would say that real prodater would never be reported.
 

Why not? would like to read your opinion on that.

[RussianWind]

I would say that real prodater would never be reported.

I agree with Miss 

[Jooky]

The most pro-dating agencies & interpriters are listed on your forums as highly recomended honest services

Which ones?

[Faux Pas]

I would say that real prodater would never be reported.

The most pro-dating agencies & interpriters are listed on your forums as highly recomended honest services with lots of positive reviws(although no marriage results ) That is what I would call real PRO

I was neither pro-interpriter neither professional interpriter but I knew for sure that



I won't cound the dater's mistakes there are minimum 100 of them, but they were lucky enough to have such a stupid customer, I don't even remember anyone who could eat such an obvious scam

Excellent points. All of them. Your definition of Prodater and the one commonly used on the forum differ in a pretty big way. Prodater on the forum would include any women who dated for profit with no intention of relationships other than one based on cash for company. Perhaps we should just go ahead on call them what they are, prostitutes?

Your definition of PROdater is one who was so good at her trade that her mark would not know the difference? I agree, that would more adequately define "Pro dater".

[RussianWind]

Perhaps we should just go ahead on call them what they are, prostitutes?

You go to far 

As far as I see prodaters don't offer sex. Just on the contrary they avoid sex. Cheaters yes but prostitues..? 

[Faux Pas]

You go to far 

As far as I see prodaters don't offer sex. Just on the contrary they avoid sex. Cheaters yes but prostitues..? 

Prostitutes don't necessarily have to offer up sex either. Amateur daters?

[Gator]

Your [ed. Miss FSU] definition of PROdater is one who was so good at her trade that her mark would not know the difference? I agree, that would more adequately define "Pro dater".

I guess miss Miss FSU's prodater is a stealth long distance runner and Handycam's prodater a sprinter. 

The Miss FSU prodater strings along her WM for a year or so, receiving a monthly allowance while a fiancee visa is being processed.  And when the fiancee visa is approved, she suddenly develops "cold feet."  She may have a couple of WM on the line at the same time provided the WM come from different countries.

There is another difference.  The  prodater must provide lots of mind boggling sex.  While handycam's prodater never gave him a passionate kiss (she has a RM boyfriend).

Thus, both are not prostitutes, just one.  Both are scammers, however.

[Faux Pas]

I guess miss Miss FSU's prodater is a stealth long distance runner and Handycam's prodater a sprinter. 

The Miss FSU prodater strings along her WM for a year or so, receiving a monthly allowance while a fiancee visa is being processed.  And when the fiancee visa is approved, she suddenly develops "cold feet."  She may have a couple of WM on the line at the same time provided the WM come from different countries.

There is another difference.  The  prodater must provide lots of mind boggling sex.  While handycam's prodater never gave him a passionate kiss (she has a RM boyfriend).

Thus, both are not prostitutes, just one.  Both are scammers, however.

But it should be noted that neither could considered as high in the pecking as a prostitute or as revered. Somehow I'd have much more respect for a prostitute 

[Miss FSU]

I guess miss Miss FSU's prodater is a stealth long distance runner and Handycam's prodater a sprinter. 

Not nesseary, if you devide those gangs income in 3 and minus the cost of patrol+food you'll see that the income of the girl itself is not that fabulous,+ they were corresponding for 1 year I dont really see the sence of such a risky sprinters compains.


There is another difference.  The  prodater must provide lots of mind boggling sex.  While handycam's prodater never gave him a passionate kiss (she has a RM boyfriend).
[/quote]

Absolutely not nessesary, program might be same, excluding the driver, + there were LOTS of terrible mistakes .

Generally you misunderstood my point completely. Those guys didnt even bothered to put the right name in letters!!! It's not necessary to give any passionate kisses to heal the customer, just create mess, crowed and pretend as stupid, naive and god-fearing as possibly:wallbash:And avoid mean men

I do not deny that someone provide sex there but i wouldnt call them prodaters neither

[Handycam72]

Thank you all for your comments, I see my topic has been a little busy of late

$500 for ONE day! My only question is: Why the F*** was there a second day?

I ask myself that very same question, I think the head brain shuts down and trouser brain kicks in, so too speak

But you may think I had lost my mind, I have been in contact with people who have made return vists, and yes thats visits, more than one return. Been back 3 even 4 times. Bearing gifts like you would not believe.

Found this story pretty entertaiming
But, come on guys, dont call this highly non-professional gang- pro-daters.  :cluebat:You'll offend real prodaters this way
I worked as an interpriter for most of kiev agenciesas a part-time job while was a student and have seen loads of different cases.

I would say that real prodater would never be reported.

Whats more EVERY agency has some % of prodating traffic(income is shared between the owner & girls).But no agency would want a girl who would act so direct and stupid as in this report.

The most pro-dating agencies & interpriters are listed on your forums as highly recomended honest services with lots of positive reviws(although no marriage results ) That is what I would call real PRO

I was neither pro-interpriter neither professional interpriter but I knew for sure that

a) I am the best friend of foreigner, not the gal
b) No communication bitween me and gal during session
c) No phone calls

Those are the main points that could guarantee good tips

I won't cound the dater's mistakes there are minimum 100 of them, but they were lucky enough to have such a stupid customer, I don't even remember anyone who could eat such an obvious scam

Thank you. I will be sure to stop being a "stupid customer" in future

Your main points for the interpretor I agree with totally, the interpretor on my last day (airport day) was very professional.

Hmmm and curiously few members rate her as 9 based on professionally taken provocative photos in full makeup.
Personally I would not rate her as a 9 even if she was in US or UK.

I will play this bizzare rating game that some play on here, and she is not a 9, a 7 at a push for UK, by Odessa standards I would take that down to a 5

Now for an small update.
Her profile on anastasiadate has been deleted, her reason for deleting it, "I am moving to Kiev to carry on my study so I am leaving the agency", that is from a letter I received through the site.

Now enter her natashaclub profile "tenderisme". With one less site, thats loss of customers, so a doubling of effort is required, so on come the videos. The best one is called "I Love This" just from an entertainment viewpoint, She is walking around a shopping centre pointing out all the great clothes and perfume shops. Now at least she being more honest about what you will be doing when your there

Oh yes now the girl really hates my guts as I have put this report all over the internet, even made it available to the people of her academy in Odessa The insults are coming thick and fast

[RussianWind]

I ask myself that very same question, I think the head brain shuts down and trouser brain kicks in, so too speak

Being very curious I actually showed her photos to a psychologist. She is a smart manipulator and certain category of men fall for her easily. Just forget and relax now.

[Sculpto]

why are you even still talking to her? 

At this point.. by humiliating her in public.. you are actually hurting other men more than you are hurting her.

[Miss FSU]

Handycam72 I also would ask you, do you really have such a serious problems with women in US that you crossed the ocean to meet the girl who called you Jim, John or Matt in letters? If so, may be you should be thankful to her that she spent some time with you
I am sorry, Ive never seen you but most of the guys those prodaters date are really "special", personally I wouldnt be satisfied with the payment they get if I were in their shoes I feel so sorry for those girls sometimes to stressful job

I don't really think that her academy(if its really the one where she studies) will be highly impressed with the story, everyone knows that half of Odessa students are into this buisness, they will just gigle a bit and tell her to be more careful next time with "customers".

I don't really think that your reports will improve the situation generally, her gang will just pick up another girl and continue developing of the main ukrainian industry.
Will your reports help other guys to avoid scammers? I don't know. Basically in a nutshell what you posted here is" If she is scamming you, she is a scammer" What an outstanding conclusion

[Handycam72]

why are you even still talking to her? 

At this point.. by humiliating her in public.. you are actually hurting other men more than you are hurting her.

I am not still talking to her, she sends the odd message now and then.

How would I be hurting other men more than her?

Handycam72 I also would ask you, do you really have such a serious problems with women in US that you crossed the ocean to meet the girl who called you Jim, John or Matt in letters? If so, may be you should be thankful to her that she spent some time with you
I am sorry, Ive never seen you but most of the guys those prodaters date are really "special", personally I wouldnt be satisfied with the payment they get if I were in their shoes I feel so sorry for those girls sometimes to stressful job

I don't really think that her academy(if its really the one where she studies) will be highly impressed with the story, everyone knows that half of Odessa students are into this buisness, they will just gigle a bit and tell her to be more careful next time with "customers".

I don't really think that your reports will improve the situation generally, her gang will just pick up another girl and continue developing of the main ukrainian industry.
Will your reports help other guys to avoid scammers? I don't know. Basically in a nutshell what you posted here is" If she is scamming you, she is a scammer" What an outstanding conclusion

You would not believe the problems I have meeting women in the US, it is like I am invisible, like I am not there
Why do you assume I am from the US? I know on this site it appears that only American Men exist, and there are no other men or countries that exist outside of the US, so I might forgive you this little mistake
As for the letters being addressed to me with a different name, they never were addressed to me using a different name, they only had a different name in the letter itself, out of close to around 250 letters, I would say it happened in about 10 of them. Maybe I should of mentioned this in my report

If I have read you correct, these "Special" guys which you refer too,  Now I would class them in 3 categories.
Type 1,
These are the types of people who lack social skills, usually very quiet, more often recognised with bad body odour and general poor personal hygiene, what you could call reclusive or loners. These types of people would have difficulty forming any types personnel relationships.
Type 2,
I feel from what I saw, is your more common person that would travel to FSU to meet a woman, this guy is often arrogant, sometimes to the extreme, he sees the woman more of an asset than a person, abit of arm candy. He does not care about her country, does not want to know about her culture. He will assume that every woman he meets will want to leave her country and live in his, also he will tell her to learn his language but will make no attempt to learn hers. Often very controlling and belittles those around him.
Type 3
I would call the ordinary guy, he is someone you will meet anywhere, the average guy who thought of trying something different, probably not even aware of "Pro-Dating" scams. He is just trying it and seeing what happens. He has no problems in his own country meeting people and developing friendships, he just fancies casting his net wider. These I would say are the ones that are a minority.
Now I would agree with you sympathising with the girls when having to deal the types 1 and 2, in fact if I knew a girl who was dealing with a type 2 I would even advise and offer my assistance. I have read some real horror stories from girls, since my trip, about some of the guys they meet, it did make me think why they even bothered. But I have no sympathy with the girl if they carry on doing it to a guy who is friendly, courteous, treats her with respect, takes an interest in her as a person and an interest in her culture. Maybe you disagree, I would be interested in your thoughts MissFSU

Now you have contradicted yourself. First you say, you don't think the academy will be highly impressed with the story, then you say "everyone knows that half of Odessa students are into this business" so if everyone knows, then so should the academy (Yes it is the one she goes too) and if they are not impressed why let it carry on, or is it because they just let it happen and too hell with it. Now I knew that others who do the same thing will just have a laugh about it, but of course they do not know it is there name and details that can be put all over the internet. The agencies (or gangs as you call them) only tell them about the money and free gifts, and when the guy works out what has happened he will vanish with his head down and tail between his legs, too ashamed to do anything. Would you agree?

I did not think my report would bring an end to this little business, I wrote it too show people who are new to this kind of thing what can happen and to use it as an education tool
"Basically in a nutshell what you posted here is" If she is scamming you, she is a scammer" What an outstanding conclusion"
Yes I would say it is "an outstanding conclusion" if it means someone has learnt something and stops them throwing their money away.

Now I have been to Odessa and seen it for myself and also done alot of reading and talking to various people with in depth knowedge, I can safely say ( I am sure you will agree with me on this MissFSU) that the whole idea of solely going to FSU with the direct plan of finding your wife is nothing short of a fairy tale. Yes maybe 10 years ago it would of been possible, but now I feel that it is just a business to extract money from Westerners who still have pre-concieved ideas that the FSU is still a place bursting at the seems with poverty, Mafia gangsters, drunk men who beat their women and all the women are desperate for their Western man to come and rescue them, take them away from the hell that they live in.

There is an interesting quote I have read a few times about Ukraine from a Russian billionaire , I do not know his name, but he says "Ukraine gives corruption a bad name, it is practically drowning in corruption. It is ingrained on the psyche of its people."
I have heard being said about the FSU in general. But can we say the West is any different? not really, we just have different name for it. Some call it "white collar crime" or as its more commonly known as "Fraud"

Is there a great difference between the people of the FSU and people of the West?  The difference is in our heads and how we see each other, the Westeners think all FSU people are drunks, poor and needy, FSU thinks all Westeners are greedy and drowning in their own cash, both I would say are complete myths

I have probably just opened a complete new debate with that statement