Should men seek advice from RWD?

[KenC]

OK, I'll play.  

I find it strange that you mock a man that obviously judges himself against extremely high ethical standards

"Judges himself against" or puts himself above anyone that disagrees?  Hmm?
 

without, AFAIK, overly moralizing with those that differ in opinion. I certainly don't agree with GQ's position on everything myself but I can appreciate his honesty and integrity.

Key word here is "overly." Rather subjective now isn't it?

I wonder what you would say if Ambach said, "Couldn't help but look down from your mountaintop yet again?" to you?

And he did, many a time too.  You would be hard pressed to find any member lower than ambach in the history of RWD and therefore he would be looking up to everyone here.  ambach is the polar opposite of GQ and yet their contempt for others with opinions different from their own, is rather similar.  GQ is not as caustic as ambach was, but their mutual disdain and haughty attitudes were both very transparent.
KenC

[Ade]

OK, I'll play.  "Judges himself against" or puts himself above anyone that disagrees?  Hmm?
 Key word here is "overly." Rather subjective now isn't it?

Sorry, I just don't see it. Maybe I've missed some posts or maybe it's just that you are projecting, assuming condescension where none exists because you compare yourself against him and find yourself wanting?

And he did, many a time too.  You would be hard pressed to find any member lower than ambach in the history of RWD and therefore he would be looking up to everyone here.  ambach is the polar opposite of GQ and yet their contempt for other with opinions different from their own, is rather similar.  GQ is not as caustic as ambach was, but their mutual disdain and haughty attitudes were both very transparent.
KenC

I don't see it so either I'm missing the obvious, it isn't "transparent" or perhaps the "disdain and haughty attitude" you accuse GQ of only exists inside your own perceptions. Or perhaps you are having me on, after all, this wouldn't be the first time you exaggerated beyond reason in an attempt to win an argument with someone.

[KenC]

Sorry, I just don't see it. Maybe I've missed some posts or maybe it's just that you are projecting, assuming condescension where none exists because you compare yourself against him and find yourself wanting?

Yup, that's it!  I wanna be just like him when I grow up!

Look SJ, I have shown my respect for GQ's opinion when I complimented him on his well planned out trip and even defended the validity of the post describing it.  However, it doesn't mean that I would do things his way at all.  GQ has not shown the same respect for me and others (dogspot, Mars) that have a difference of opinion on certain aspects of first meeting RW.  The agreement of some RW to our way of thinking (Bored1, Blues Fairy) has not softened his position at all.  His condescending jabs still continue even in his last post.

I don't see it so either I'm missing the obvious, it isn't "transparent" or perhaps the "disdain and haughty attitude" you accuse GQ of only exists inside your own perceptions. Or perhaps you are having me on, after all, this wouldn't be the first time you exaggerated beyond reason in an attempt to win an argument with someone.

Maybe because you have the same exact opinion on this subject as GQ and a similar attitude toward those that disagree?
KenC

[BC]

And, FWIW, you should check out the definition of "cynical" as yours is way off the mark and doesn't fit anything I've read from GQ, Ambach yes, but not GQ.

Here it is from dictionary.com just for you;

[Al_C]

Absolutely.  But take it all with a grain of salt.  While we are all well intentioned, some of us are no better than you are at figuring things out, and some of us are worse.  So look at the facts, including the experience and other credibility factors of the person advising you before you act.

[GQBlues]

However, it doesn't mean that I would do things his way at all.  GQ has not shown the same respect for me and others (dogspot, Mars) that have a difference of opinion on certain aspects of first meeting RW.

Ken-

Why do you persist of being such a fatalist?

If I remember correctly, you do NOT have one clear and distinct stance in this issue because you stated TWO different contradicting views within two pages of this thread. I even re-quoted it to you. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Maybe you have plenty of idle times these days, but man you need to find a hobby to occupy yourself.

1. I never disrespected dogspot because he disagreed with me.
2. As far as Mars is concerned, I simply keep batting back what he pitches at me. I don't take too kindly to GrandPa reflexes.

To give clarity again, YES, I have great disdain and disrespect for men who would willingly and willfully deceive a woman just to get a date, let alone one he professed promises of exclusivity and endearment to. Whether they do this in FSU, here at home or anywhere. The rest is up to you to conclude. 

[KenC]

Just tired of your overly moralistic BS and condescending attitude toward me and others.  You didn't "get it" the first two or three times, why would you now?  Have a nice day on your mountain top.
KenC

[GQBlues]

Hmm, I don't know about that.  Asia is fairly large.  I will say, in my experience, Chinese and Filipina women, like most married women, rule the roost. 

You mean like when Russian family roles are best described using head and the neck to show who rules their roost?   

[JohnDearGreen]

I was a VM......
I wrote to, and received letters from, a number of women......I met these women in Moscow....Fortunately, 70% of the women were Moscow residents.

GQ:  I understand the next to last lady worked out for you.  Do you think things would have worked out if your favorite was one of the Moscow ladies you met in the first few days?  Would she have understood you spending the rest of your 2 or 3 weeks with introduction to other ladies, even though you told her upfront the game plan?  Would she (or her friend) be sneaking into the lobby and nightclub watching your escapades?  By the way, your method is similar to the one I used in my first trip to Moscow at Hotel Cosmos, though on a smaller scale.  I met a lady from St. Pete, Rostov, Volgograd, a small city close to Moscow, and two from Moscow(both lasted about 10 minutes).   I had a difficult time finding quality ladies living in Moscow who wanted to meet me.  Only the lady from Rostov interested me.  What was your opinion of the 70% Moscow ladies?

[RussianWind]

I had a difficult time finding quality ladies living in Moscow who wanted to meet me.  

Who do you call quality ladies?

[I/O]

Here we go, this could be good..................

[JohnDearGreen]

Who do you call quality ladies?

RW:  I didn't say I didn't find any quality Moscow ladies on the web sites.  I did.  They just didn't want to meet me.  One was a reporter for a Moscow TV station.  She quit answering my emails as soon as I checked in.  The 2 ladies   from Moscow and the ones from St. Pete and Vgrad had absolutely no resemblence to the pictures they posted on their web site profiles.   A quality lady will provide an accurate representation of herself.  She probably won't be living with ten of her relatives in one apartment in the southeast side of town.

[RussianWind]

A quality lady will provide an accurate representation of herself.  She probably won't be living with ten of her relatives in one apartment in the southeast side of town.

Sorry...?

By the way how often you meet women who look different than in their photos?

And looking at those glamorous photos, do you understand that the reality can be different?

[JohnDearGreen]

Sorry...?
By the way how often you meet women who look different than in their photos?
And looking at those glamorous photos, do you understand that the reality can be different?

Only the photogenic people look like their photo.  I generally have to get 30 pictures of myself to find one I would want to display on internet.  So I would say 95% look different from their photos.   Some actually look better.  Thank goodness for videos.

It doesn't take long to find out about the glamour photos.  I even see ladies with different photos on 2 different web sites. Sometimes it looks like a before/after commercial with major work by Maybelline, Playtex, and the plastic surgeon.

[RussianWind]

I hoped you would explain me your line:

A quality lady will provide an accurate representation of herself.  She probably won't be living with ten of her relatives in one apartment in the southeast side of town.

[GQBlues]

JohnDear-

This post is in strict response to your questions. Considering the hypothetical nature of your questions, I will try to answer the best way I can.

Q: Do you think things would have worked out if your favorite was one of the Moscow ladies you met in the first few days?
 -    I have more than a couple of reasons to believe so. I don't think it would have changed or influenced anything based solely on the ensuing events that took place after I left. Everyone knew what that trip was all for anyway - a chance to meet in person.


Q:  Would she have understood you spending the rest of your 2 or 3 weeks with introduction to other ladies, even though you told her upfront the game plan? 
 -  I have no reason to believe otherwise. Had it been an issue for her, it never would have been an issue for 'us' cause I would not have been a part of it.

Q: Would she (or her friend) be sneaking into the lobby and nightclub watching your escapades?
 -  What I found out in my experience on that trip was that women react to the same stimuli they do at home. Sure there's some slight societal variances, but for the most part - women are women. There were a couple of moments that may be considered uncomfortable had it not been for the fact I didn't have anything to hide, thus had no fear of what was happening.

One example was I remember walking back into the hotel with the woman from Ekaterinberg. She just arrived earlier that day and we had a late lunch in Arbat. She knew I had to be back by 5 PM because one lady from Moscow was meeting me for dinner. But the Moscow lady was early and when I walked hand in hand with the Ekat lady through the lobby towards the elevator, Ms. Moscow was sitting on the couch watching us. I smiled and waved, she waved. I walked the Ekat lady to her hotel room, bid me good luck and asked I call her when I get back, and went downstairs - and that was that. No mention of it anymore from anyone.

Q:  What was your opinion of the 70% Moscow ladies?
 -  Extremely wonderful, gracious and pretty much wear the same feline suit as the ladies of LA - for the most part. And yes, the game's d' same.

I can tell you a more detailed response but in light of the obvious fact this is NOT the proper venue, I can only hope the answers I did give were enough.

Good luck.

[Ludmila]

Quote GQ:

"One example was I remember walking back into the hotel with the woman from Ekaterinberg. She just arrived earlier that day and we had a late lunch in Arbat. She knew I had to be back by 5 PM because one lady from Moscow was meeting me for dinner. But the Moscow lady was early and when I walked hand in hand with the Ekat lady through the lobby towards the elevator, Ms. Moscow was sitting on the couch watching us. I smiled and waved, she waved. I walked the Ekat lady to her hotel room, bid me good luck and asked I call her when I get back, and went downstairs - and that was that. No mention of it anymore from anyone."


'TIS SAID THAT THEIR LAST PARTING WAS PATHETIC
AS PARTINGS OFTEN ARE, OR OUGHT TO BE,
AND THEIR PRESENTIMENT WAS QUITE PROPHETIC,
THAT THEY SHOULD NEVER MORE EACH OTHER SEE,
( A SORT OF MORBID FEELING, HALF POETIC,

WHICH I HAVE KNOWN OCCUR IN TWO OR THREE),
WHEN KNEELING ON THE SHORE UPON HER SAD KNEE
HE LEFT HIS ADRIATIC ARIADNE.

[Ludmila]

This stanza's to distract and caress GQ's ear:
(Northern Thor-- Russia. Thor--the God of Thunder in ancient Scandinavian mythology).



Crushed was Napoleon by the Northern Thor,

Who knocked his army down with icy hammer,
Stopped by the ELEMENTS-- like a Whaler--or
A blundering novice in his new French grammar.

[Boethius]

Thus unlamented pass the proud away,
The gaze of fools, and pageant of a day!
So perish all, whose breast ne'er learn'd to glow
For others' good, or melt at others' woe.

This stanza's to distract and caress GQ's ear:
(Northern Thor-- Russia. Thor--the God of Thunder in ancient Scandinavian mythology).



Crushed was Napoleon by the Northern Thor,

Who knocked his army down with icy hammer,
Stopped by the ELEMENTS-- like a Whaler--or
A blundering novice in his new French grammar.

Do you believe GQ is such a rube, he doesn't know who Thor is?  My kids at 6 could have identified Thor.

(ETA:  If you're a Byron fan, you may wish to pick up Fiona MacCarthy's fascinating biography.)

[Gator]

Do you believe GQ is such a rube, he doesn't know who Thor is?  My kids at 6 could have identified Thor.

Yes, we know Thor.  Everytime I see a rainbow, I look for Thor in his chariot racing away from the rainclouds to get to the rainbow.  Or is that Punxsutawney Phil? 

[Gator]

I hoped you would explain me your line:  "She probably won't be living with ten of her relatives in one apartment in the southeast side of town."

RussianWind, it makes no sense to me either.  Perhaps it is something from his local newspaper about a missing Mexican woman, and it erroneously became spliced with his post.

[Turboguy]

Yes, we know Thor.  Everytime I see a rainbow, I look for Thor in his chariot racing away from the rainclouds to get to the rainbow.  Or is that Punxsutawney Phil? 

I am glad you told me who Thor was.   I would have thought it was our Norwegian member who used want ads to meet his dream girl in Ukraine.   Good thing you are not from Punxy Gator.   I wonder if anyone from there names their son Phil?

[JohnDearGreen]

I hoped you would explain me your line:

RW: It was in remembrance of another Moscow lady I met for lunch at the mall on another trip.  She said she worked for $1/hour at one of the warehouse mall low budget dress shops.   She told me how her sister met a man on internet.  The man had lied to her about his occupation, his age, and several other things.  She said the sister forgave? him and married him anyway.  He moved into their apartment and they had a baby now.  Her grandparents also lived in the apartment.  Must have been about 10 in the one apartment.  Sad.  But I wasn't looking for a desperate lady.

[JohnDearGreen]

-  Extremely wonderful, gracious and pretty much wear the same feline suit as the ladies of LA - for the most part. And yes, the game's d' same.
Good luck.

I'm just extremely surprised that all would go on schedule.  The 1st 5 days of my trip were a disaster.   I had two ladies back out at last minute.  My #2 choice from St. Pete said she decided to go Turkey instead.  While I was meeting with another lady, she called my interpreter and said she was on a stopover at the train station coming back.  I guess her better offer didn't work out.  Would I come over to meet with her for 30 minutes.  I declined.  She then sent me an email with a virus attachment.  The other lady from St Pete seemed to be a bit mentally retarded.  Another said her work schedule would make her delay her arrival, causing her to arrive the same day the Rostov lady (my #1 choice all along) arrived.  She was an extremely nice lady, just not my type, so I felt bad about saying goodbye to her after a 2 hour visit.  I got food poisoning eating the food at the park next to Hotel Cosmos.  Fortunately I recovered and everything went well with the Rostov lady.

[GQBlues]

Crushed was Napoleon by the Northern Thor,

Holy Homo Lord of Thunder Batman! Whodat?

Thor, you say? Well, Golly Gee 'spose it'll depend on which one. Oku-Thor or simply Thor? The Germanic mythology version or the Scandinavian clown? Maybe even the Marvel comic version's of the son of Odin (yeah, recently adopted by good ol' Mickey himself so Odin is now the official bastard 'POPs' of the son of God and Earth, Lord of Thunder, Protector of Disneyworld in association with The Gays and Lesbians United Front of Hollywood)

Incidentally, he was last spotted two Halloweens ago on the streets of Sta Monica Blvd. and La Cienega with his beloved kissin' cousin in tow. Rumor has it Thor actually had a mistress, (that womanizing swine, hehehe)...since he had a hard time looking for a nice, warm and dark hole to insert his lighting rod. Silly Boink of Thunder, trix are for Kix.

Anyway, he claims to be THE redheaded, bearded Thor but his cousin bore a much more strikingly glamorous long blonde locks...dunno, I think they need a new face for Thor for the sake of being PC and this time I really think he should have Rustafarian dreadlocks while screaming It'sa Hammertime! Who's Yo Dahddeeee? . (Out with the dated hammer though, man. We only do unmanned weaponry these days.)

Heck, I'll stake my money on Baku than this loser myth anyday. Thor came out of the closet many moons ago soon after riding his sweet gawdy chariot. Must be the effects of staring and striking at those equine rear ends, eh? At least Baku and his marauding hordes successfully left their Mongolian (Yikes! Asians!) cultural footprints all over (amongst other things), well, you know where....and good 'ol' Thor, The Boink of Thunder, was nowhere to be found.

No Lida, you can't have Alaska back, neppers, nope, no way! So don't worry, be happy...and make mine an expresso, please. Double.  

oh and btw Boethius, great elegy! Thanks.

O, ever beauteous, ever friendly! tell,  
Is it, in Heav'n, a crime to love too well?  
To bear too tender or too firm a heart,  
To act a lover's or a Roman's part?  
Is there no bright reversion in the sky  
For those who greatly think, or bravely die?
Why bade ye else, ye Pow'rs! her soul aspire  
Above the vulgar flight of low desire?