Should men seek advice from RWD?

[Jazzyclassy]

You see Bored1 you've touched one of the most interesting topic here, some female members of this forum , russian women, were expressing their thoughts like you, but none of them were successfull.

You have to agree with anything they post here, otherwise get an iron costume and wait for attack

And I agree  , how they portray the whole thing, all those flickering images of half naked girls on the site , the whole content- How to court russian woman, "How to get her in my cage" and so on

It is  almost as a pet shop site, where they promise you that they got the best advise on how to keep "Rare African Parrot" alive, how to train  some very unique dog and so on

I read the forum still cos i hope to find something very informative here one day, am I  a dreamer?

Though at least there are people who enjoy communicating here , maybe this is enough

[groovlstk]

How to court russian woman, "How to get her in my cage" and so on

Jazzy, can you please point to a thread about this?

[Jazzyclassy]

See here you go again

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on "How to get her in my cage"

[Ade]

See here you go again

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A metaphor is a comparison used to add descriptive meaning to a phrase. Metaphors are generally not meant literally, and may have little connotative similarity to the concepts they are meant to portray

on "How to get her in my cage"

So it's not only some of the men here that can make exaggerated sweeping generalisations then...

[Bored1]

You see Bored1 you've touched one of the most interesting topic here, some female members of this forum , russian women, were expressing their thoughts like you, but none of them were successfull.
 

Maybe this is why there is so many problems then.  AM seem to think they know Russia and RW women better than RW women do.  It certainly seems that way from almost any thread you can chose to read.  

You would think that a RW opinions on Russia or RW or even AM would have more of an impact with the posters married to RW and even more so for those who for some reason have decided that a RW is a must have accessory for a successful family life.  

My uncle lives in Beverly Hills nine month from a year and I have been to the USA and have had many mans chasing me thinking that they are going to save me from Russia and my way of life here when they do not know Moscow or my way of life.  

Why do they think they save me or my life is bad here or they are any better then the mens in Moscow?  It is stereotype is the answer.

I will not be concerned of a attack Jazzyclassy as after all as I have said everyone knows RW and Russia better than we RW so all will carry on as before and more stereotype and bad manners to RW will continue in many post together with words about situations nobody really knows about other than those involved in them.  The program of failure will continue through ego warring mens here and I shall return to reading and not post many times  



 

[groovlstk]

My uncle lives in Beverly Hills nine month from a year and I have been to the USA and have had many mans chasing me thinking that they are going to save me from Russia and my way of life here when they do not know Moscow or my way of life.  

Why do they think they save me or my life is bad here or they are any better then the mens in Moscow?  It is stereotype is the answer.

Bored1, you are aware that Western men are also stereotyped when we travel to Russia, yes? People usually don't assume we're poor and in need of saving, but there are a host of other annoying stereotypes that we've all had to deal with. It's perfectly normal even if it's annoying.

If you have something to say, please say it - I would love to hear your opinions on this and any other topics.

[RussianWind]

My theory is follow advice where possible, but also recognize that sometimes you have to follow your heart. 

I love your post roykirk.

I remember I was considered to be a scamer. No, I didn't ask for money. I had nice conversations with a nice man for few days then I got bad news from my home - my mom was diagnosed to have cancer. Being under a big shock and actually not thinking properly I said about it and he disappeared in the middle of conversation and never came back.

Then some time later I talked with another man and said things as they were, as at that time I was at my mom's place taking care of her. He didn't run away but supported me in conversations, I think he was more tolerant because he had cancer treatment himself in the past. We met later on my next trip to England and spent few nice days together.

So just remember that people are living creatures and everything can happen at any time and any moment. This is my advice  

[Bored1]

Bored1, you are aware that Western men are also stereotyped when we travel to Russia, yes?  

I am aware of the stereotype of western mens also yes.  I know only not many western mens in Moscow but they are all here to work and do not fit any stereotype propoganda that is communicated.

If none of those mens fit the stereotype how many RW meet the stereotype written about here?  

I do not only mean the scams which posts seem to write so much about but also that we are all good cooks, all want childrens, all want to leave Russia, all think foreign mens and better than local mans and all thinks our lives would be so much better with a foreign mans.

The route to my affection may be different from that to my sister or my mother or my grandmother.  My perception of life may be different to them also.  What I want from life may is certainly different to that of what my grandmother wanted because time is changed and so have people.

The situations of some RW has changed much in recent times and independence and reliance on mans for some does not mean that a better life can be offered anywhere now.  

That is not true of all womans but so to it is not true of the stereotype also if many womens do not fit the stereotype.

[Jazzyclassy]

Maybe this is why there is so many problems then.  AM seem to think they know Russia and RW women better than RW women do.  It certainly seems that way from almost any thread you can chose to read.  

You would think that a RW opinions on Russia or RW or even AM would have more of an impact with the posters married to RW and even more so for those who for some reason have decided that a RW is a must have accessory for a successful family life.  

My uncle lives in Beverly Hills nine month from a year and I have been to the USA and have had many mans chasing me thinking that they are going to save me from Russia and my way of life here when they do not know Moscow or my way of life.  

Why do they think they save me or my life is bad here or they are any better then the mens in Moscow?  It is stereotype is the answer.

I will not be concerned of a attack Jazzyclassy as after all as I have said everyone knows RW and Russia better than we RW so all will carry on as before and more stereotype and bad manners to RW will continue in many post together with words about situations nobody really knows about other than those involved in them.  The program of failure will continue through ego warring mens here and I shall return to reading and not post many times  



 

Again agree with this, nobody knows RW and Russia better than we do

As for me I find Russia to be the best country in the world, there are issues in Russia, but where will you find a country which has none? impossible.
I 've lived in the Uk for 1 and a half year and I can totally say that yes it is a lovely country , great nature, fresh air , "fake friendliness " around you, there is no soul to it, like there is in Russia- these are my own feelings.

[Mars]

I will say that there is good advice to be taken in the physical how do I get there, what are the costs of hotels, visa issues both in Russia and America, divorce and married protocol but very little else is anything more than ego, chat and stereotype.

Almost everything written about FSU woman is stereotype general rubbish when I compare it to myself and my friends.   

You and others of a like mind are totally missing the point.

Of course you can interpret as stereotype, but you don't have to.

When someone, man or woman writes that FSUW or FSUM or WW or WM are like  such and such . . . . what it means is that is their experience with X number of persons.  Of course, this cannot be generalized to everyone in that category, but it does not mean their observations are invalid.

So when someone writes all FSUW are like . . . .  the reader merely should read it as that is what the FSUW that this person met are like.

However, when many, many people write that FSUW are like . . . . and they are fairly consistent; then it gives some support to the proposition that FSUW are indeed like that.

There is something behind every stereotype; elsewise the stereotype would not have gotten started.

For instance:

Do you often hear that Jewish people are good athletes and dancers?

Do you often hear that African people are good with money?

[Jazzyclassy]

 Bored1, you are aware that Western men are also stereotyped when we travel to Russia, yes? People usually don't assume we're poor and in need of saving, but there are a host of other annoying stereotypes that we've all had to deal with. It's perfectly normal even if it's annoying.
      

I think you are a bit stuck in the past , that could be true some years ago, but not now. A lot of russian people now travel and they do meet poor western men, with huge eggos and they are aware of the fact that there are poor people out there ,as well as in the USA

Plus people do read forum  something like this and quickly become aware of financially insecure and poor people, there are no such stereotypes anymore.  A lot of people who communicated with people around the world got the idea of how they treat to money and how they save on everything.

[roykirk]

I think you are a bit stuck in the past , that could be true some years ago, but not now. A lot of russian people now travel and they do meet poor western men, with huge eggos and they are aware of the fact that there are poor people out there ,as well as in the USA

I have a weakness for Eggos, especially with gobs of butter and maple syrup!  Sorry, I couldn't resist.   

[groovlstk]

If none of those mens fit the stereotype how many RW meet the stereotype written about here?  

That's a little bit trickier, Bored1. Unfortunately there are a percentage of Western men who DO fit these stereotypes. We have a saying: For every stereotype, there is a prototype

The best anyone can hope for is that the people they meet will take them as they are, but I know from my wife's experiences here that such people are not so common.

I do not only mean the scams which posts seem to write so much about but also that we are all good cooks, all want childrens, all want to leave Russia, all think foreign mens and better than local mans and all thinks our lives would be so much better with a foreign mans.

I agree with you 10000% here.

[Bored1]

You and others of a like mind are totally missing the point.

Of course you can interpret as stereotype, but you don't have to.

When someone, man or woman writes that FSUW or FSUM or WW or WM are like  such and such . . . . what it means is that is their experience with X number of persons.  Of course, this cannot be generalized to everyone in that category, but it does not mean their observations are invalid.

So when someone writes all FSUW are like . . . .  the reader merely should read it as that is what the FSUW that this person met are like.

However, when many, many people write that FSUW are like . . . . and they are fairly consistent; then it gives some support to the proposition that FSUW are indeed like that.

Russian and Ukrainian people stereotype Moldovan people as stupid.  It is still a commonly heard insult when someone does something stupid.  I have met almost 50 through work and none are stupid but ther stereotype still continues whist my experience is 100% opposite to the stereotype.

A man from England told me that they say the same of people from Ireland and he had never meet a stupid Irish person either.

At what point does stereotype become legend or myth?  Are Molodovan people to be seen as stupid in Russia and Ukraine forever because of the stereotype?

[Mars]

Russian and Ukrainian people stereotype Moldovan people as stupid.  It is still a commonly heard insult when someone does something stupid.  I have met almost 50 through work and none are stupid but ther stereotype still continues whist my experience is 100% opposite to the stereotype.

A man from England told me that they say the same of people from Ireland and he had never meet a stupid Irish person either.

At what point does stereotype become legend or myth?  Are Moldovan people to be seen as stupid in Russia and Ukraine forever because of the stereotype?

You simply have to separate stereotypes into two groups:

1) Those that are based on truth.
2) Those that follow from jokes.

It is actually very easy to put a stereotype into one category or another.

You gave the examples of Moldovan and Irish.

These exist in every country with respect to another country.

In USA, there are many Polish jokes.  There are many 'redneck' jokes.

I met several people from many European countries while I was vacationing with a FSUW in Turkey.

I told these people  some Polish and redneck jokes.
They readily recognized the gist of the jokes and commented;
"In my country we tell these jokes as about Belgium or French or Czech people."

On the other hand there is the 'stereotype' of the stubborness of FSUW who will never admit they are wrong!!!!!!!

[RussianWind]

You simply have to separate stereotypes into two groups:

1) Those that are based on truth.
2) Those that follow from jokes.

All stereotypes are based on truth at some level, nothing comes from nothing. All jokes come from standing stereotypes.

If Russians drink vodka, they damn do drink vodka. Not the majority but more than rest of the world.
If Finnish people are slow, they are damn slow. Not the majority but more than people in any other country.

Stupid in not the right word, there are no stupid nations. If you say stupid, you don't understand the difference in mentality or level of education.

[Admin]

All stereotypes are based on truth at some level, nothing comes from nothing. All jokes come from standing stereotypes.

If Russians drink vodka, they damn do drink vodka. Not the majority but more than rest of the world.
If Finnish people are slow, they are damn slow. Not the majority but more than people in any other country.

Stupid in not the right word, there are no stupid nations. If you say stupid, you don't understand the difference in mentality or level of education.

I think a large part of the problem is that many current stereotypes about Russian women can be traced to one of two (both fallacious) sources.

In the first case, there were many stereotypes about Russians, in general, emanating from the Cold War propaganda campaigns. I am a bit ashamed to admit it, but for a very long time while growing up, I imagined the majority of Russian women as being thick and stout and plowing potato fields with their hair covered by a scarf. Oh, and a couple of gold teeth. That may be a bit of an exaggeration - but not much.

The other fallacious source of stereotypes emanated from the agencies, who promoted (and still promote) Russian women as virginal traditional hand-maidens to their husbands who are cover-girl beautiful and cannot get enough sex - from ONLY their Western husbands of course. Again, a bit of an exaggeration, but not much.

I very much appreciate the Russian women who contribute to RWD, and we now have a great number who are balanced and intelligent and offer wonderful insights into the Russian culture and how if affects the women, and the men - and how that translates into romantic relationships with western men.

It would be interesting to see if we could compose a list of the more common stereotypes - and then debunk them with real life facts and experience.

Just a thought.

- Dan

[Misha]

Maybe this is why there is so many problems then.  AM seem to think they know Russia and RW women better than RW women do.

Well, I would add that RW are pretty good at generalizing themselves from time to time and some seem to think that what they believe and think is generalizable to all RW  What is true for one part of Russia may not be true for all the FSU and what is true for one segment of Russian society may be irrelevant to others.

[Misha]

Russian and Ukrainian people stereotype Moldovan people as stupid. 

And, let us not forget the poor Chukchi who are the butt of many Russian jokes. Sometimes it seems that there are more jokes about the Chukchi than there are Chukchi. The jokes are told and retold even if few Russians will have actually met a Chukchi.

[roykirk]

Let us also not forget that some of these stereotypes can be perpetuated by Russian women themselves.  While my wife dismisses many of the stereotypes of Russian men and women as untrue, she will readily claim that rampant alcoholism and unmotivated men (career wise) were some of the things that made her want to look outside the country.  As to the former, she calls it Russia's "secret shame" and says people play it down as a stereotype for the simple fact that it's so embarrassing.  Take that for what it's worth.

[Bored1]

Well, I would add that RW are pretty good at generalizing themselves from time to time and some seem to think that what they believe and think is generalizable to all RW  What is true for one part of Russia may not be true for all the FSU and what is true for one segment of Russian society may be irrelevant to others.

This is the issue I am trying to raise exactly thank you Misha.  What is true of me and my life here is not true of a RW from Reutov, Samara or Sochi.  Life and attitudes, needs and requirements are not the same for each RW or each place.

Not 2 RW are the same in circumstance even if in location and should be treated as individuals and not classed in a certain way without evidence of such.

The only 100% accurate statement about a RW is that she is R and W  

[kievstar]

In the USA Polish people are thought as stupid and ugly.  Just google Polish jokes.  I lived in Poland several years and found the women very attractive and intelligent.   Anyone ever try Polish arm wrestling?  - in 7th grade I saw a kid break his own nose with his own hand doing this.  Got rushed to the hospital and later had plastic surgery. 

[RussianWind]

And, let us not forget the poor Chukchi who are the butt of many Russian jokes. Sometimes it seems that there are more jokes about the Chukchi than there are Chukchi. The jokes are told and retold even if few Russians will have actually met a Chukchi.

True. But someone who says they are stupid don't understand their culture and mentality. All jokes are about how they can't follow the technical progress or lost in Moscow. It is understable why. They probably think all other people are stupid because can't condact a simple deer 

[dogspot]

If Finnish people are slow, they are damn slow. Not the majority but more than people in any other country.

I heard a group of Muscovites refer to Estonians in this way.

[Bored1]

All jokes are about how they can't follow the technical progress or lost in Moscow.

I have lived almost all my 23 years of life in Moscow and there are still parts which I am so unfamiliar with I can take the wrong route.