Accidental letter from agency with three letters from men and their responses

[AW5724]

Like many men who are registered on dating websites I get many emails from women. I sometimes read them if they look interesting or come from a city I will be visiting. They are usually so generic I do not read them but this one was fascinating.

I got this mail (see below) from a women/agency in Odessa, it looks like she copied and pasted in by accident letters she had written that day from 3 different men and her responses rather then her standard introduction letter. The first man General is from Greece, the second Khalil is from Jordan and the third Thenosis is from Spain.

What is interesting is the geographical spread of men looking for Ukranian women and the volume since all three letters are dated the same day and I got this mail mid-morning Ukranian time of that day so I was at least the fourth mail that day and the day was not over.

Not necessarily a scam (but read the last paragraph) but still very interesting.

Below is the email I received

_Larisa_
GENERAL35
here in Greece say "many words are poverty" and I do not speak much, only show operations ... now a lot of kisses

27.10.2009
Good morning Dear!
Thank you that you are interested on me. How are you today? How does you’re work week start?
I have decided that it will be very interesting for me to communicate with you. What is your real name? Why have you chosen this nick name?
I got so much interested in your personality that I have decided – you are the man I want to communicate with. I think that it will be interesting to get to know more about you.
But of course I understand that you may not choose to write me back. For this reason I am going to drop you a few lines about me and my character,
From the words of my friends I am a polite, shy, honest, soft, curious, friendly, kind-hearted, and elegant person. But I think that you should judge about my personality by your experience.
In people, I appreciate sincerity. I like very much to spend my rest in active way. It can be campaigns on a disco with my friends on days off. In one word I like to be in a circle of my friends
So if you get interested in me as much as I got in you, I am impatiently waiting for your letter.

With my warmest regards,

Larisa



Khalil9912
Hello
How are you
I am very happy to receive your message
I think you are a girl interesting
You are a beautiful girl and nice
So I'm very interested in communicating with you and recognize you
Actually
I'm looking for my life partner and my soul Twins
I'm looking for love and compassion the passion and romance
Maybe I will find all this with you
Certainly
I think you are a girl very exciting and delicious
You are a beautiful girl very nice and attractive
I want Wife gives me her heart her soul and her body
I will give you love, care and compassion
I'm interested to identify you
I will tell you something important
I will be visiting Ukraine during the 4 months
If you're serious
I will be visiting your city to meet you
Maybe we will establish a real love affair ends happy marriage
If you are interested
Wait for your message
Khalil

27.10.2009
HelloKhali.
Great to receive your letter, I did not expect to hear from you so I am very glad! ))) You cheer my mood up a lot and I feel something special inside when I read your letter ))) Hope you feel something as well.
You seem to be a very interesting and nice man, I am glad that you answered me  I am sure our communication will be very interesting and exciting! Do you like communication? Do you like writing letters or you prefer to communicate in real life more? I like both – I have always liked communication with interesting people who has active way of living. What is your lifestyle?
In my life I have a lot of friends, who trust me and whom can trust, but not fully…I think it’s really hard to trust someone fully nowadays…I hope my future husband will become the best friend for me  Would you like your future wife to be your best friend too? I think it’s good when a couple are friends!
From your letter I understood that you will be visiting Ukraine I’ll be so glad, but in my opinion first we need to get know each other . We can communicate here if you interested on me, as from my side I’ll be very happy to hear from you and to read your sweet letters like previous one. And what things would you like to know about me?.
I am looking forward to your reply.
Kisses
Larisa


Thenosis
Hi Larisa, I would tell you I like your profile. In your photos I can see you're a beautiful woman. I wish I had a communication with you to know us better. We live far apart from each other, I'm from a town in southern Spain. I've never traveled the eastern countries. I live in Andalucia people are very open and happy. Aque warm weather usually makes people have a lot of life away from home, with many community festivals and fun I am a person that I consider myself a serious and respectable, I am in search of a love that wants to share with me life and living together Paser out to enjoy nature, the beach in the pleasant company of a woman who knows she loves you and wants to be with you. gusataría know me more and I answer my letter. Of all the letters I have received have preferred to answer to you because you have like a beautiful woman, I hope to meet you too, inside and discover that you are beautiful inside also. Today fltan good feelings and happy relationships if there is love there is nothing. I hope to hear from you soon. You can also reply to this address of hotmail com thenosis. Kisses see you soon.

27.10.2009
Hello Dear
How are you doing today?
As for me, I feel great! And do you want to know the reason? Well, it’s simple – cause you wrote to me! So lets cheer each other up with our letters
You know, I really enjoyed your letter and your profile, I think it is a good start .I really hope you are here to find the woman to share your life with. Because, frankly speaking you seem to a man who I'm looking for.
Maybe your question will be Whom I am looking here? Well I am going to answer … As for me I'm here to find real love, true love, one love. For me love is when you can't live and even breath without the person you love.
Everything is interesting for me: your interests, style of life. Do you enjoy traveling?.
You seem to be a sincere man. I'm sure we will find great deal of topics to talk about and will get know each other more. So you are free to ask me everything you want.
Unfortunately I am not be able to correspond with you through hotmail because I have no email address and I even do not have a computer at home. I really hope you will agree to correspond with me here.
Looking forward to hearing from you back and receiving your next nice letter!
Regards
Larisa


 From: _Larisa_

[Johnny2009]

Oh dear  that's a large geographical spread here! Choosing my words very carefully, I have to say "this girl is not to fussy" who she corresponds with 

[Ade]

Oh dear  that's a large geographical spread here! Choosing my words very carefully, I have to say "this girl is not to fussy" who she corresponds with 

Um. Seriously, you have to be kidding? Most of the guys on this very forum focus on an area of the world a damn sight larger than that covered by Spain, Greece and Jordan combined, even if you include the area in between. 

[Johnny2009]

Um. Seriously, you have to be kidding? Most of the guys on this very forum focus on an area of the world a damn sight larger than that covered by Spain, Greece and Jordan combined, even if you include the area in between. 

OK, rephrased "Cultural spread"!

[Bored1]

Speaking as a RW, why should she not speak with all these men regardless of their culture?

I did not realise love or friendship was hostage to culture.

How many seperate cultures do you think there are within Russia?

[Gator]

My opinion:  this is an agency letter writing scam.

I infer from Larisa's last paragraph in the third letter that she is communicating thru her MOB agency.  AW, you know the agency.  I assume the agency charges a flat rate per letter.  True?  If so, it is likely that Larisa never saw the three letters from General, Khalil and Thenosis. 

At best, an interpreter called her and discussed the men's letters and the interpreter then wrote a reply to each, encouraging each man to write more letters (i. e., generate more revenue).

This is verified in her statement to the man who says he will coming to Ukraine and could meet her:

From your letter I understood that you will be visiting Ukraine I’ll be so glad, but in my opinion first we need to get know each other . We can communicate here if you interested on me, as from my side I’ll be very happy to hear from you and to read your sweet letters like previous one.

So this man must write her many letters before he can meet her. 

Is Larisa hot?  If so, it is quite possible that Larisa is not real or at least has no interest in marrying a foreigner.  When it is time for a meeting, she will either be visiting her grandmother or she will give him a pro-dater fleecing.  See Handycam’s http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=10490.0

An agency such as Cindy uses interpreters to write letters.  However, the interpreters first call the UW to draft a response.  And one can meet Cindy women just by showing up in Dnepropetrovsk without having written one letter. 

[Johnny2009]

Speaking as a RW, why should she not speak with all these men regardless of their culture?

I did not realise love or friendship was hostage to culture.

How many seperate cultures do you think there are within Russia?

I don't really care but I am sure you can't wait to tell me the answer anyway?

[I/O]

Oh dear  that's a large geographical spread here! Choosing my words very carefully, I have to say "this girl is not to fussy" who she corresponds with 

OK, rephrased "Cultural spread"!

Is the distance between Kishinev and Vladivostok (about 10 time zones) an acceptable target area? Not too large? Not too many cultural variances? We see men writing to women across this range but I guess they are very fussy and that is why they need to check out all before making serious commitments?

BTW, yes Gator, it’s the basic PPL scam.

[RussianWind]

I have to say "this girl is not to fussy" who she corresponds with 

Maybe she wants to marry a guy, not a country 

(Well, not this particular one but you get the idea )

[Johnny2009]

Is the distance between Kishinev and Vladivostok (about 10 time zones) an acceptable target area? Not too large? Not too many cultural variances? We see men writing to women across this range but I guess they are very fussy and that is why they need to check out all before making serious commitments?

BTW, yes Gator, it’s the basic PPL scam.

No not at all, I live 120 miles from London, my wife was from Vladivostok, she now lives here with me, so its safe to say that I have experience!

Answer to you second question, I am fussy, and if a girl is not, she is simply not for me!

[Johnny2009]

No not at all, I live 120 miles from London, my wife was from Vladivostok, she now lives here with me, so its safe to say that I have experience!

Answer to you second question, I am fussy, and if a girl is not, she is simply not for me!

Opps  Thats what get for posting while I am on the phone, forget last sentence 

But, basically, I would prefer a lady to have high standards!

[I/O]

But, basically, I would prefer a lady to have high standards!

What demonstrates the lady hasn't? She writes to men in three countries, what a tart...!!!! How dare she?

[Johnny2009]

What demonstrates the lady hasn't? She writes to men in three countries, what a tart...!!!! How dare she?

She is writing to one gentleman whose culture has zero respect for women! Maybe he is different and the electronic translator he is using will explain all? Also he clearly has limited if any knowledge of English/Ukrainian/Russian and she the same limitations with English/Jordanian, what fun they will have!

[Sculpto]

I agree with Gator..

The tone of the replies is trained terp working at HRB, Anastasia or some other crap agency of the sort.  Dear Larisa has no idea about those men and most likely hasn't been to the agency in a long time..  Since the idiot terp made such a big mistake it would indicate a much heavier work load than the four mails he knows about.  Might be like four or more an hour.. not per day.  Maybe the OP can tell us what agency/site he is wasting his money on?

For me the giveaway was the refutation of the second writer who is coming to Ukraine soon.  Sure she is happy about it,    but, shows no interest in meeting with him, encourages him to keep writing through the agency and then when you look back over the letter she set up the pen pal scenario from her first comments.  Really expert sales pitch.

In my eyes.. if I am the terp writing the scam reply, I am baiting someone I think is a sucker.  And, many of you may not know this, but, the real cash cow for agencies are in fact well healed Arab men... thats not a value judgement.. just a fact...

[I/O]

She is writing to one gentleman whose culture has zero respect for women!

[groovlstk]

She is writing to one gentleman whose culture has zero respect for women! Maybe he is different and the electronic translator he is using will explain all? Also he clearly has limited if any knowledge of English/Ukrainian/Russian and she the same limitations with English/Jordanian, what fun they will have!

So what's her alternative? Writing to socially awkward Western men who are 25 years her senior? She may have to flip a coin to decide that one

[valence]

What's disturbing in the three responses is that a serious minded woman would flat-out discourage a face-to-face on her own turf in favour of more emails through the agency.  Presumably we're not talking about a face-to-face in some abandonned mine shaft 1,000 miles from nowhere where she might face danger, but rather a face-to-face amidst a hustle and bustle urban setting.

So either the three guys were all simultaneously coyote ugly and she was trying to put them off gently, or...

she's not serious, but instead gets some sort of benefit from generating emails, or...

she's 'renting' her profile to the agency and she's not involved in what's happening on a day-to-day basis, or...

The agency outright fabricated her profile using some nicked photographs and personality attributes that would be appealing to a broad class of men.

[SANDRO43]

the real cash cow for agencies are in fact well healed Arab men...

Which means that ailing and convalescing Arabs are safe ?

[Johnny2009]

So what's her alternative? Writing to socially awkward Western men who are 25 years her senior? She may have to flip a coin to decide that one

Maybe he is a socially awkward 50 year old Jordanian! 
In this case its pretty safe to say that the lady in question is not genuine in the first place! So its mostly a redundant question anyway!

[Sculpto]

come on you guys.. Larisa is not aware of these men and isn't writing to any of them.  Get it into your heads.. thats how it works.. the terps do the writing and the barbie doll in the profile sits around waiting until she is required to actually meet one of the suckers foolish enough to go visit her at which point she will polish up her pointy fingernails and practice smiling beautifully at men she finds repulsive!

Whoever made the comment about a certain culture not respecting women might consider putting some different shoes on and trying to view things through a different aperture.  What you should have said is..

"I do not understand the nature of the gender relationship in the Muslim world"

[Johnny2009]

come on you guys.. Larisa is not aware of these men and isn't writing to any of them.  Get it into your heads.. thats how it works.. the terps do the writing and the barbie doll in the profile sits around waiting until she is required to actually meet one of the suckers foolish enough to go visit her at which point she will polish up her pointy fingernails and practice smiling beautifully at men she finds repulsive!

Whoever made the comment about a certain culture not respecting women might consider putting some different shoes on and trying to view things through a different aperture.  What you should have said is..

"I do not understand the nature of the gender relationship in the Muslim world"

You're correct I should, but won't!

I feel like not being very PC, so I will stick with my previous view! Thanks anyway!

Regardless its a scam all the way, so hopefully the other 3 guys (probably more?) are also aware of this and have all run for the hills!

[groovlstk]

Maybe he is a socially awkward 50 year old Jordanian! 
In this case its pretty safe to say that the lady in question is not genuine in the first place! So its mostly a redundant question anyway!

I agree, and it wouldn't be the first time we had a 20-page discussion about straw men or hypothetical women 

[Sculpto]

You're correct I should, but won't!

I feel like not being very PC, so I will stick with my previous view! Thanks anyway!

Its not a question of being PC or not.. its a reality of you demonstrating a high level of ignorance about other cultures.

And, FWIW.. the arab guy's letter was by far the most romantic, which is exactly why the terp responded the way she did.. thats one they can milk for a lot more money on letters and gifts and most likely manipulate the longest before demanding a visit.

[Johnny2009]

Its not a question of being PC or not.. its a reality of you demonstrating a high level of ignorance about other cultures.

And, FWIW.. the arab guy's letter was by far the most romantic, which is exactly why the terp responded the way she did.. thats one they can milk for a lot more money on letters and gifts and most likely manipulate the longest before demanding a visit.

Back up dude, I certainly would not consider myself ignorant, here in the UK I feel we are very culturally aware. Its a very bold statement to make about someone you don't know.

[Ade]

Back up dude, I certainly would not consider myself ignorant, here in the UK I feel we are very culturally aware. Its a very bold statement to make about someone you don't know.

And you, making negative character assumptions about a woman you don't know just because she's writing to guys in several different countries isn't "bold" I guess? Seriously, you come across as ignorant and racist - and don't try to pull that "I'm from the UK so know what I'm talking about" crap, please. FWIW Not everyone in the middle east or those that are Muslim treat women badly you know.