Dynamics of VM vs VO

[RussianWind]

Congratulations Jaded - SEVEN forum members now have you on "ignore"

Am I the sixth? JollyRats, dear, could you pass me your tomahawk please, I will take my scalp?  

[elliott]

Your "smugness" comes through in every post you make.

RussianWind is not smug.  Rather, she is very candid and usually quite humorous.

While you might consider it a "plus", trust me when I say most potential suitors won't.

Good for her, then.  She can weed out the sorry ones that can't take point-blank honesty, some sarcasm, and a good ribbing every now and then.

[Gator]

Shakespear,

What you detect as smugness may be your outdated chauvinistic ideals reacting to smart, independent women who speak their mind as opposed to women dreaming of keeping a cozy home. 

Frankly, Bored1 and RussianWind sound in many ways like my wife.  I find such women as invigorating.  In contrast, the "cozy home"  women would have bored me to tears. 
 

[shakespear]

Shakespear,

What you detect as smugness may be your outdated chauvinistic ideals reacting to smart, independent women who speak their mind as opposed to women dreaming of keeping a cozy home. 

Or I could be correctly labeling a smart-ass as a smart-ass.     The fact that she's admittedly single leads me to believe it's the later, but each will have to come to their own conclusion.     

Frankly, Bored1 and RussianWind sound in many ways like my wife. 

Don't complain to me, I have my own problems to worry about.   

I got no beef with Bored1.

Can I ask, how long have you been married anyhow?

[shakespear]

10 years ago few quality men were visiting. 

Speak for yourself.   

I would definitely agree that the ladies (in Russia anyway) are much less desperate for an escape.  The economic situation had improved greatly between 2004-2008 and their reasons for seeking life elsewhere have clearly diminished. 

Ukraine for the most part, has not experienced the same economic improvement.  The ladies there have the same economic based motivations as Russian ladies previously had.  Is it any wonder that Ukraine is the destination of choice for the majority of American bride-seekers and sex tourists?

It's my own personal observation, but I believe there are MANY MORE sex tourists and men with dubious motives active in this quest NOW than there were 10 years ago.     

[Gator]

Or I could be correctly labeling a smart-ass as a smart-ass.     The fact that she's admittedly single leads me to believe it's the later, but each will have to come to their own conclusion. 

Don't take RW too seriously - read her signature where she warns you.
   

Don't complain to me, I have my own problems to worry about.   

Oh yes, my wife can be difficult at times.  Smart, independent, spirited, sarcastic, resilient, and overflowing with pride (but not false pride). 

Can I ask, how long have you been married anyhow?

Sure.  We met in 2002 and tied the knot 20 months ago.  The delay resulted mostly from my concern about a huge age disparity. 

[RussianWind]

The fact that she's admittedly single leads me to believe it's the later, but each will have to come to their own conclusion.     

There are lot of single men in this board and in the Internet. What's your conclusion?  

[Gator]

It's my own personal observation, but I believe there are MANY MORE sex tourists and men with dubious motives active in this quest NOW than there were 10 years ago.     

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing.  It seemingly would have been easier 10 years ago to deceive a RW.  What I saw 7 years ago was so easy that I do not understand why there would be any demand for hookers. But maybe the men who came 10 years ago were mostly about finding a wife.

Today, men with jingle in their pocket will know that it is less expensive to sponsor a RM vs. marrying her and bring her to your country (not even adding some stochastic amount to reflect the expense of divorce). 

[Gator]

It's hard to say how many of those visas were given to agency brides, but I think you're right, out of the 20-50 thousand women listed on agency sites, I'd guess only several hundred from Russia and several hundred from Ukraine actually end up married to an American.

Thanks for the statistics.  I would have assumed Bored1 was correct based on my one experience with using a medium-sized agency to arrange meetings. 

While waiting for my date to show, I thumbed through the agency publications.  The agency had a Valentine's listing of women who had married.  It was something the agency was touting to its clients.   My guess is that only 20 women had married/become engaged out of hundreds listed as available. 

Maybe there was another book.  I don't know, yet this seemed so low especially since it covered several years.

[Ade]

Congratulations Jaded - SEVEN forum members now have you on "ignore"

No loss there then.

[JR]

Am I the sixth? JollyRats, dear, could you pass me your tomahawk please, I will take my scalp?  

WHAT! ! ! HUH!!!! NEVER you my dear! That was addressed to Seriously Jaded, not me! I would never ignore you....now what were you saying?

Heheheee. I went back and read the deterioration of the thread. Now i see, you want to borrow my tomahawk so you can take a scalp...helps to actually read before responding huh?

[2tallbill]

Perhaps if you made about a dozen failed WOVO trips you might change your mind.   Perhaps the women who are scared away by a vm man are the good ones or perhaps they are the insecure ones who have a lack of self confidence.   Sometimes a little competition can bring out the best in someone.   If she sees you as a really good catch, knowing if she wants you she needs to work at it might be a really good thing.

The problem most guys have with VO trips is not having a backup plan to put into action immediately
if there is no mutual chemistry, to find and meet other girls.

The problem most guys with VM trips is that they are indecisive, recycle girls (especially if they are hot)
and the worst in my opinion is that they use VO tactics. i.e. extensive communication before meeting them.

Many members would communicate with several different women for several months then go off to visit
all of them. That in my opinion is a recipe for failure.

[ML]

Many members would communicate with several different women for several months then go off to visit all of them. That in my opinion is a recipe for failure.

I did communicated with many, many women before my WMVM trips . . . but only for 6 weeks not several months.  And only one email per week until the last week or so when I had them narrowed down to 12-16 gals.