Score one for the good guys!

[Antiscam]

Photo,

Yep, I envision some type of boileroom operation.Word of mouth applicants to come and do "telemarketing" and write emails. Of course, there are the babushkas and fat Yuris too. It's big business now.I have heard that corruption and scams are really enculturated there.  The legacy of the FSU?

So below is my appeal for the "medallion". This should be the last email as she won't have any medallion or coin to send and certainly no visa "contract". I wonder what they will come up with now..

It's hard to walk the line of not being lovestruck enough or being insincere..Did I lay it on too thick or not enough?

 

My sweet Olga,
Hi baby! I just want to say that you are a beautiful writer! You express yourself so beautifully! I love that about you. I agree with all that you say about our future together and out feelings for each other.(I cannot write as well as you but I wish I could! )As they say, love conquers all! I cannot beleive that we have found each other..this is a big planet.Don't you love the internet? Soon we will be together my love. I have been thinking about how to make it happen and I think I have a very good idea..if you trust me..and I know you do because you have told me that many times.

That medallion could be worth much more money than you or the man at the pawn shop think it is. If it's from the late 18th century, it could be from the time of Catherine the Great (1762-1796). The next czar was Paul 1st(1796-1801). Since his time was so short,( he was suffocated by conspirators) items from his time would be very rare and collectable. Of course, Catherine is always in demand.After Paul came Alexander the 1st and he was very popular. There is a story that he went away and lived out his life as a monk!
I want to take the medallion to one of the big auction houses in New York (Sotheby's, Christie's?) and that way you can get the highest possible amount.They are true experts and have buyers and collectors from around the world.I am almost sure that it would be more than $3000..maybe twice that...who knows.10k?
You can live quite well on that in Russia. And it will allow you to travel. And then we can meet!
Ask your aunt about this idea.

I want you to send me the medallion my darling. You know that I would send you the money back . I do not want to risk losing you before we have even met! Imagine what having all that money would do for us! It would also help your grandmother!
Don't you think this is a great idea? I am very excited about it!

Sweetheart, where do you want to live together? Russia or USA? Or another country? I really like the tropics. We can sell some of my property and get a sailboat and see the world! I have been planning this for years and am ready to do it now.We would LOVE it!! Have you ever been sailing? Do you want to have a family? If you do not, that is ok..
The next time you call me I hope we don't get disconnected so fast. That was very sad having such a short call..
Please get two copies of that visa contract and send it to me! I will give you my fax number when you get it. or you could mail it to me. You are doing such a great job taking care of all these  matters on your end!
When you mail the medallion we will REALLY be in heaven after it is sold!!

I need to go now sweetie..

Have a fun day!

All my Love,

Michael

[Bruno]

You scam-baiters are just touists compared to this guy:

http://419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm

I have use 3 hours for these link... 1 for read it and two more laughting on the ground... the best link i have ever read about scam :D:D

 

[Rvrwind]

http://419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm

[/url]I havn't laughed that hard in weeks. TFF:D:D:D:D

RVR - Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[groovlstk]

Here's my personal fave, again a 419er:

http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/drinkwater/Momoh.1.htm

 

[Antiscam]

I want to say that I found this site in one of my first searches for Russian MOB's and women. I thought I was being clever with my bright idea of stringing a scammer along.You guys knew about the scambait sites that I have since found and I thank you for contributing to my education with those links. 419eater and sites like them do a real public service.

It seems I am more of a rube than I thought I was! I guess the term newbie is relative.I did not know that there has been a cybersport all along known as scambaiting. But I enjoy the sport very much!

Anyway...here is the prompt response from "Olga" to my proposal for mailing me the medallion.

"My love,
Your idea is very good, but Russia and USA are very much differs. I do
not trust Russian mail. I have some cases here when my packages have
stolen. I think, that if I have sent you a package with such expensive
medallion then it would be stolen too. The insurance companies would
not began to insure a medallion because they know about Russian mail
too. Thank you for understanding and care.
I very much worry that I can not fly to you. I cannot find tickets in
smaller cost I informed you cost of the ticket earlier. It is very
expensive for me. As I informed you that I have a part of money but
this money there is not enough. I do not know What I can do. The
meeting between us is my dream, but I very much am afraid to lose it.
Your Olga"

Unusually short and to the point..I think she is on to me.

I am pondering my response. Can someone give me an alternative to the Russian mail that I can tell her about? The Russian version of UPS, Fedex or DSL? Any other suggestions? Please help this rookie scambaiter!

Thanks,

Mike

[Photo Guy]

[color="darkred"][size="3"]Hmmm. Tell her  you are going to visit her, and you are bringing your Mom, who works  for the US government. You have been apart for too long! You must meet  the woman of your dreams, soon! You will bring a large diamond ring for  her, that once belonged to your Grandma. Now you need to arrange some  time off from work. You aren't sure yet, when you will be able to go to  Irkutsk, but you will keep her posted. Ask her if you and your Mom can  stay with her. Your Mom is also very eager to meet her.

Have fun with it....[/size][/color][/b]

[Antiscam]

Subj:
Where are you? 

Date:
12/16/05 9:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time


From:
-------

To:
just-olga@-----


[size=2 PT]Hello my darling Olga,
I have been very busy with business and today there is a bad snowstorm here so I have a chance to write. How have you been? It seems we are both very busy trying to make money to try and make our meeeting happen! haha! I am very sure it will be soon. Christmas in your country is on 7 january is that true?
I dream about us being together. I daydream about you all day! I wish our governments did not have such visa restrictions on travel and that you lived closer! It would be so easy to meet!
What did you think about my idea of meeting in another country? 
Now about the mail..Im do not trust Russian mails either.There is another package delivery firm you can use. They will insure the package for very little money. You have a chance to make three years (or more!) of your salary so it is very important to get this medallion in an auction in USA. Then we will have no worries my darling!!
Also my questions about where you want to live after we are together? Do you speak any Spanish? I want to get out of here in the winters now. It TOO COLD!!
I hope this day is a happy one for you!
Love,
Michael[/size]

 

So there it is..trying to keep it real! But I think she/he has moved along .

Thanks to everyone on here that have tried to help me! I have registered at 419eater and there is much to learn about scambaiting! I will keep you posted on how this plays out..

Mike

[Antiscam]

Wow, that only took about 10 minutes! Short and sweet though. I still may spring for some cash so they keep in contact..no answers to any questions though..



Date:
12/16/05 9:35:47 AM Eastern Standard Time


From:
just-olga@

To:
@aol.com


Sent from the Internet (Details)

My love Michael,
I think about you every day and night. I have no a phone line and
Internet service at my house. I very much hope for our soon meeting. I
am is very glad to receive your message. Each your letter is very
important for me because letters it is a part of ourselves. When I
them read that I feel you beside. It is my most treasured dream to be
with you and to be you loved!
I know that cost of ticket is very expensive. But I hope we will meet
soon. I am believe that you will help me soon. I am is right? Please
do it, my dear, for our love. I do not know what to do.
Do you have any ideas?
your Olga

 

[Antiscam]

From:
@---

To:
just-olga@

[size=2 PT]Hi Sweetheart!!
Are you still at the internet club? I will send this quickly if you are so you can reply!

Yes, I have given you my idea! You need to find a parcel delivery service that will send the medallion to me with insurance. Even if it is lost, you wil get the insurance($3000?) so maybe it would be better if it was lost or stolen then you would get insurance money!
All my love,
Michael
[/size]

[anono]

i'm curious. has anyone sent random western union numbers to a girl and told her there was $500 or $1000 waiting for her?

[Jack]

good post's antiscam. If newby's will take the time to read what she has written you they will see many common scam traits and similiar verbage.

Let us know how it continues.

 

[andrewfi]

RE WU numbers:

Given that one can check these on-line, it seems pointless to try to dupe a professional grifter with such nieve tricks.

At the end of the day, all but the most amateur of con artists is going to be using tools to carry out their work. As even less well prepared and trained operators, doing everything by hand and for the first time, it is certain that we would waste much, much more of our time than theirs and like as not merely cause an indulgent smile as Vitaly or Oleg look at their monitor and see another nieve American trying, having already demonstrated his gullibility, to be smart.

The best retaliation is knowledge and self-awareness - adequate amounts of these two remove the oxygen that allows con artists to breathe!

[anono]

doh! stupid brain!

[Leslie]

Why waste your time like this?

Andrew is correct.  You are not in contact with any women you see in the pictures.  You are playing games with "Fat Yuri".  To him business is business.  You are not going to trouble him with your games.  He has seen it ALL before. All you do is waste your time.....

Over the years I have seen several guys posting on the boards get obsessed by scammers. 

They had signatures like "Who are you going to call - Scam Busters". :cool:

Not a single one of these guys ever married an FSU woman. 

Don't waste time playing with scammers.  Not even a few minutes.  It is counter productive.  First red flag and you send a dear Jane letter.  Move the e-mail address to the blocked list and delete all the old mails.  NEXT !

You are looking for your future wife.  Spend your time and effort on decent women

 

[andrewfi]

Leslie ~ Is there anything in the posts above that leads you to think any of the posters is going to get married to a woman from around these parts any time soon?

[Leslie]

Andrew,

I agree with you.  I was addressing the gallery (most people read but seldom post).

I don't agree with the characterization of  playing with scammers as the "good guys".

I have no sympathy for guys who get scammed.  A moments thought would tell them that this is too good to be true.  Guys get scammed because they succumb to their own lust.  They know there is no way a hot young woman from their country would come on to them in this way. 

This only takes a single digit IQ

But lost in their delusions they send money to someone they have never met.

Fewkin Stupid !

Then they make complete fools of themselves by baring their asses on a public forum to complain or warn others. :huh:

The so called scam listings are chock full of the maunderings of stupid old farts who have been deluded by their own imaginings and the insistance of their little heads.

Every guy should spend a couple of evenings reading scam listings or the scam sections of the boards.  This will give you enough knowledge to avoid being scammed.  Beyond that it is pointless.....

[Antiscam]

Thanks Jack!

 

There is a discussion topic on this site about scammers.

If people who want to warn others( yes as lonely, naive, and as single digit as they are) of scammers are "complete fools", then are the people that run this site "complete fools" also for getting involved in warnings about scammers? No, I do not think so..

It is GOOD to raise awareness of the proliferating romance scams!

Mike

[andrewfi]

Antiscam ~ It might well be seen that the purpose of one who deliberately styled him/herself 'Antiscam' might be other than marriage. If such a person tried to claim that marriage was the purpose of his/her quest, then one might legitmately question the poster's real motivation.

It has, in the past, been the case that, invariably, those who waged war against the windmills of photographs of pretty girls and the writers of the associated profiles had more personal baggage than the Samsonite factory and that their self appointed role of educator and seeker of truth provided cover for an inability to move past the disappointment of discovering that they had acted in a foolish manner over the photograph of some young and usually innocent bint.

Of course Antiscam, you may be different, but the weight of history would suggest otherwise. What is your story? Which photograph tempted you into foolish actions and a new hobby/crusade?

[Antiscam]

Sorry, I just reread that and see that it is the already scammed, who then complain and warn, who are the complete fools.

[Antiscam]

Ok, Andrew I will take the bait..

The photos are nice but what pissed me off was the discovery of this vast network of thieves. I don't like thieves. I can't keep on walking by if someone is being raped..or otherwise violated.

 

Enjoy your day, as i am!

The hapless baggage laden do-gooder,

Mike

[andrewfi]

The issue is not a lack of awareness, just as it is not a shortage of fools. In reality, there are adequate supplies of both and neither commidity will ever run out. There is a difference between being a fool and carrying out a foolish act. One is a lifelong pattern of behaviour, the other an isolated experience from which a learning conclusion is drawn.

The difficulty is twofold:

1) How to connect the the fool and the information. Practical experience tells us that the fools can not listen and read, or they can they do not learn.

2) That there are some, a small minority, who allow what could and should have been a part of their learning process to take over their lives and diminish their abiliity to undertake that which they set out to do. These sad individuals end up on a Quixotic quest to tell the world that which it already knows full well and achieve neither that which they set out originally to do, or to reduce the number of fake profiles on the interweb.

(The implicit question then is: Is the latter group made up of fools, or people engaged in a foolish action? I guess the crusaders who end up casting aside their antiscam appelations and actually find a bride learned something, so I suggest the jury is out on that little group!)

[Photo Guy]

[size="3"][color="darkred"]Mike,

You've made a couple of mistakes. You have chosen the name, 'Antiscam', given us an account of your experience with a scammer/group, and then gleefully told us about your desire to scam the scammers.

For doing so, you've been labelled a fool, and told that you aren't very intelligent. I'm surprised these people think they know you so well. I guess there are only definite categories of humans that fit into pre-determined folders and boxes.

I recommend that you do not take these snap judgments too seriously. It may take thousands of hours of face time to figure out a potential wife, but in your case we can judge who you are in a few paragraphs. :shock:

I enjoyed reading your scammer experience, especially since I had dealt with the same scammer(group) You have shed some light on the subject for newbies. That's a good thing.

I agree with the general cautionary advice that tells you not to waste too much time trying to fool scammers. We do assume that you are like most of us, in wanting to find that appropriate woman for marriage. Focus on that, rather than spending time on anti-scamming.

Thanks again for sharing your experience.  -doug

PS Don't let the bad table manners bring you down.[/color][/size]      

[RacerX]

Interesting contradiction being posed here - does the "anti" scammer, who provides a valuable service by educating future potential scammees do himself a disservice by being so vigilent??

Antiscam, I think what these guys are trying to tell you in their own charming fashion, is don't get so caught up with vengeance that it becomes your raison d'etre.  Personally, I think you have done a commendable job of presenting some concrete examples of a real-world scam.  If I could chime in on the negativism, I would only caution you that by scamming the scammer, you run the risk of impinging upon some legal niceties and you definitely don't want to go there!

So, will we be seeing some posts from you telling how all of this newly acquired knowledge helped you find Ms. Antiscam?

[jb]

The photos are nice but what pissed me off was the discovery of this  vast network of thieves. I don't like thieves. I can't keep on walking  by if someone is being raped..or otherwise violated.

You are obviously a very astute individual to have picked up on the  scamming nature of the MOB scene, I don't like thieves, liars, or  cheats either.  However, I don't allow their existance to color my  thnking.  People like that have always been around, feeding on the  fringes.  The important thing is to simply acknowledge that you  are aware of them and not become obsessed.   I think what  Andrew and Leslie are telling you is that no good can come out of an  unhealthy fixation on the evils of this world and especially the perils  encountered in the pursuit of RWs.  We have on average a couple of  dozen or more newbies on this, or the other site, per year showing up  asking; "Am I being scammed?", generally they already know the answer  to their question.

This road is fraught with enough potholes as it is when you find  yourself embroiled with a good woman, no need to go looking for  trouble.  Besides, the only person you are amusing as you attempt  to scam the scammer is yourself.  The scammer merely deletes your  folder in his computer and sends out yet another letter to the next  prospect.  You are not going to stop the practice, you won't even  make a dent.

When you look at the numbers for membership on this board and all the  other places where a man can look to become educated, we are in such a  minority of the total men looking to land a trophy wife from the FSU as  to be negligible, not even 1% of 1%.  Fat Yuri can afford to  forget about you because there are lots more fishes swimming in his  pond.

Better to concentrate your efforts on better and more productive things.

[tim 360]

I must admit that many of the characters running around posting about how they got "scammed"seems to me to be a rather specious and feral grouping of some very dim nit-wits.  Get over it.

Like with any good con,  whether investments or financial or biz or the nether reaches of the heart it is the shill who really scams himself.  All the scammer does is manipulate the bait so the shill will bite.  Akin to fly-fishing for trout.  Trying to present the phoney bait as if it is the real thing.  And many trout will rise to the surface for a bite only to discover they have impaled their mouth upon a nice sharp barbed hook. 

Some of the wiser trout saw that exact same bait,  but yet they first inspected it closely before they thought of taking a bite.  The bait just did not look right to them.

With people an effective con or scam works because people are greedy,  something is too good to be true and they must act now.  Now with women some men can become quite delusional about themselves.  In this RW thing I think scales new heights of stupidity in some men.  To call it a fantasy would be polite.

I guess if Mike wants to spend his time compiling this drivel,  fine it is his time and his life.  Does seem like a waste of time to me.  Time which could be better spent.

The 70 year old guy crying foul 'cuz he sent some 20 year old $1200 in Novosibirisk should be spanked.  Did the guy really think this babe was going to come over and give him sponge baths???  He deserved to be scammed.  Gggeezzz,  the guys who fell in love with a couple pictures and emails???  @$#%&(!  So many of these nit-wits it is just staggering.

Needless to say this RW thing does attract some mighty queer folk.  With some strange ideas.  Some stranger than fiction I am sure.  Some are just not quite right in the head.

Mike,  it's kinda nice you devote so much energy to cataloging all these humorous scams,  but do you find it fulfilling?  It seems like you like to help people and maybe you would find a deeper reward devoting all this energy to the orphans in Ukraine or Russia.  Seems like it would be better than baiting Yuri's and trying to educate the shills.  Who will probably only be scammed again.

A fool and his money will be parted....always.