Score one for the good guys!

[Bruno]

[user=62]tim 360[/user] wrote:

I guess if Mike wants to spend his time compiling this drivel,  fine it is his time and his life.  Does seem like a waste of time to me.  Time which could be better spent.
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Mike,  it's kinda nice you devote so much energy to cataloging all these humorous scams,  but do you find it fulfilling?  It seems like you like to help people and maybe you would find a deeper reward devoting all this energy to the orphans in Ukraine or Russia.  Seems like it would be better than baiting Yuri's and trying to educate the shills.  Who will probably only be scammed again.

I have some allergy to scam hunter... these guys become very parano with time and don't hit only scammer... some usual women become the victim of so scammer...

They build letter fully of traps... waiting that some women fall in it...

by example, they propose the woman to visit him in USA and the woman who don't know that it is impossible reply that she agree but she have not the money for so trip... for him, the alarm ring and he list her like scammer...

Other example, he propose money for help the woman. Who refuse money ? Not a lot... if she accept, she become a scammer...

Usualy, they use nuclear bomb for kill a mosquito... and they have no regret for collateral damage... for a scam hunter, each women is a potential scammer and he will make all is needed for she fall... lie and provocation is his weapon...

At a other level, he need to contact women for test her... he start a false relationship... if she is not a scammer, after some time, he drop her... result : he have create a woman who cannot more trust a foreign man...

For me, these scammer hunter are the worse... usually, real scammer are enough intelligent to detect the scammer hunter... the usual woman don't detect him and his lie... he use her time and hurt her feeling...

So, scammer hunter and scammer are equal... they are bad... both are specialist in deception and hurt normal people...

[Shadow]

After all the comments against scambaiting let me give you a positive one.

While in preparation to meet my girl I got contacted by an obvious scammer. I played along and, with some very 'interesting' pictures:shock: soon got the money request. I had a strategy planned (as the 419 guys have) on what to do to annoy this scammer.

Part 1 played perfectly. After sending a control number one digit short the next money was lost. As I wrote about having a previous bad experience before sending the money, it was not illogical. She claimed she took the money from her father and moved to the next scam try.

Part 2 of my stategy was not played out as things happened in my private life that prevented me from continuing. The strategy was to get the scammer to send me some $$ to 'verify' her being a real person, as my WU office was needing verification because the first money was lost. If this would work or not, next would have been a picture request. As said I never got to play this one.

As the posters who are negative know, I am not stupid, never got confused in revenge and did find a good Russian woman.

 

[Photo Guy]

[color="darkred"][size="3"]Bruno,
I agree with your ideas about guys who encourage scammers or turn good  women into alleged 'scammers', but Antiscam is simply telling us about  an experience he had with an actual genuine scammer. There's a big  difference, no?

Maybe Antiscam is spending too much time trying to score one for the  good guys. Maybe not. I don't know. I don't think we should put him  down. How well do you know him?
On the other hand, it makes sense to warn him that his efforts are probably a waste of time.

If fighting scammers is his primary goal, what would you advise him to  do? Besides ignoring scammers, are there any pro-active steps that can  taken?[/size][/color][/b]

[andrewfi]

If this guy's primary goal is tilting at windmills (fighting identifying profiles, pictures or names of 'scammy' 'women') best advice is already given. STOPPIT.

The sensible people can generally identify the nose in front of their face and usually discover that repeated banging of said proboscis against a wall causes pain and so desist. The ones that are too stupid to connect banging of nose against wall and consequent pain, well, nobody can help them.

So, in the end, the silly scam hunters serve only to increase the general noise level and add little, if anything, constructive to the programme by which two people meet and marry. Think of this - In several years of reading these boards, I do not recall a single person who set themselves up as a 'scam buster' who actually found a life partner. That says something to me about the generality of the people who are foolish enough to allow themselves to be firstly scammed and secondly distracted from their purpose. 'Obsessional' is perhaps the key word here.

[Shadow]

Andrew I have warned many guys not to get caught up in revenge or trying to lure scammers in to the traps as this might accidentally hurt real people.

And about the behaviour I would say I see many guys who claim to be experts in relationships and meeting women, yet have been unable to find their life partner.  This is not exclusive for scambusters.

[RacerX]

Andrew  ----
And about the behaviour I would say I see many guys who claim to be experts in relationships and meeting women, yet have been unable to find their life partner.

Andrew, aren't you a member of the "club" Shadow mentions? 

Sorry, but only saw the irony in  these posts.

[andrewfi]

Of course, Shadow, but I wonder how many of these soi disant scambusters are even looking for women whilst in the condition they are in and how many can even find it within themselves to trust other people, especially women?

The result being that not only are they unable to actually help those who most need help, but they are unable to move themselves forward because of the barriers to success that they have, themselves, built up as a result of the scarring and scabbing caused by their own gullibility in the first place and their unwillingness to accept responsibility for what happened to them in the second.

[andrewfi]

RacerX ~ If I were actually seeking a life partner at this point in my life than I might be a part of that group to which Shadow refers. I am not and I do enjoy successful relationships and so, I guess that rules me out of Shadow's little group. No irony.

[RacerX]

Andrewfin ~ fair enough, but aren't these forums (this one and the RWG) for guys who are seeking life long partners, or at least in the biz?  I swear you know as much or more than most of the guys involved in the process.  How is it you been able to resist the temptation?

[andrewfi]

There is no temptation. Unlike some, I know what I want and have a good idea as to how to get it. This forum's title fits my interests.

[Jack]

RacerX, I also agree as to Andrew's knowledge. I think many newby's and the lightly experienced can learn from most's of Andrew's post. Now I do not always agree with everything Andrew writes or says, but I think I do about 85% of the time.
 
Andrew,.... well you left what you wrote hard to argue with any certainty by including the two words "life partner".  When you write ...."Think of this - In several years of reading these boards, I do not recall a single person who set themselves up as a 'scam buster' who actually found a life partner." .....I think I would have to ask your definition of 'life partner'.  Is life partner until death do you part?  If so I think that Anatoly Neverov, who had a life partner, was a scam buster until death. If your definition of life partner 10-20 years maybe you are right. If your definition of life partner encompasses 5-10 years then I would know of another person who was a scam buster who had found a life partner.

[andrewfi]

By life partner I refer to people making a choice to be together on a permanent, hopefully lifelong, basis. Marriage is but one form of such an arrangement. A marriage is a lifetime commitment, in theory at least. As we both know, the theory and practice are rarely congruent.

There was the case of the Russian dude who got knocked off a few years ago following a dispute between agencies IIRC. Is that the guy to whom you refer? If so, I think that you would agree that he was a somewhat different figure to the sad individuals who cross our paths on these boards and I am sure would not want to be lumped in with them and I certainly would not do so myself. I was not thinking of, or even remembering, him in writing my posts above. I think though that you understand the point I was making; sadly the people who have allowed their jihad to divert them from their purpose are unlikely to do so until after they have moved on to a new hobby, such as model train sets or painting model soldiers.

[Jack]

No Andrew, I was talking about Anatoly Neverov from Belarus. Anatoly was one of the first big time scam busters. He was disgusted with the amount of scam he was seeing on the i-net and started reporting the scams he uncovered while providing various services to those needing help with the pursuit for a Belarus bride. I had on a few occasions needed to check into some women in Belarus that clients were interested in and Anatoly was always able to help.
 
As it turned out Minsk and other key cities had a pretty effective scam going on where many Belarus men and women were writing foreign men and making a killing with the money they were getting. Anatoly discovered a very efficient scam operation and listed all the women's name and their e-mail addresses as well as the bank account numbers these men and women were using to have men send them money. I made copies of his report as did Elena's Models and a few other scam busting sites.
 
On the afternoon of Sept. 12, 1991, the day after our 9-11, Anatoly was walking to his flat where his wife and children were waiting on him for supper. Only 10 meters from his flat door were two men who were waiting on Anatoly and he was shot several times and died on the spot.
 
Anatoly had made the choice to be together on a permanent basis, a lifelong basis, and was seen as one of the most efficient scam busters the industry has ever known.

[andrewfi]

That's the feller. Different to the people we are discussing here... yes?

[dodgeman]

Ok it is december 18th now Olga has been writing to me for a few days now i decited this morining that i wonted to check out were she was from and woe and behold first thing i find is this subject on Olga i heard from here from a dateing sight dont know how she found me email adress but she did.Now im gona fix her butt good string her along a while ill find out were she is and she will pay for this.

[andrewfi]

dodgeman ~ Welcome to the site. There is much to be learned here.

Have you learned anything from the thread above?

We don't need another scimboster! If this profile is false, or is a front for a scammer, you are simply wasting your time and dealing with a motivated, and, almost certainly bright, professional. Move on, learn how to avoid being taken for a ride.

Lesson number 2 (the first being to not waste time and move on!) regard with jaundiced eye all contacts from women, they are often a cover for a later con attempt, especially when received through free dating sites.

[dodgeman]

Well its december 18th now i been getting emails from her to with the same story but hasnt goten to the medalon yet im gona keep her going for awhile.Do you know for sure were she is if so let me know ill put a stop to her shes messing with my life and rite now thats what i dont need.

[andrewfi]

No, YOU are messing with your life. She is doing nothing, unless you read and answer her emails.

[dodgeman]

Hello just wont to tell you i got the same letter but pictures i got was different she was lot smaller and hair was streaked blonde and brown.

[dodgeman]

Well i mean im going through a devorce and was looking for someone becouse i was lonely and sges playing games well SHE IS GONA PAY

[dodgeman]

Yep thats some of the pictures i got im so pissed

[Albert]

Yep, Andrew, this dodgeman, he be pretty smart.

[dodgeman]

Thank you for the advice i really belived that woman glad i was smart enough to check it out i dont have much money so she wouldnt get any lol.Im no scamist by no means just happen to find this site when looking up were she was from.Again thank you .DODGEMAN

[andrewfi]

dodgeman ~ If yu are in the process of going through a divorce the you are most certainly not at the right point in your life to be seeking a new life partner. This woman/profile/person/whatever has done you several favours!

1) You have had a little fun and games, a distraction from the stress of divorce.

2) You have not had the opportunity to hurt another person through your unreadiness for another relationship.

3) 'She' made herself obvious enough that you did not waste too much time or money on her.

4) You, presumably, learned something for the future.

You lucky, lucky man!:)

[Leslie]

Funny how guys who make scam postings always claim the moral high ground.

They are the "do gooders" even when they lie and cheat to play their scammer along:huh:

The key emotion here is vengence - Is that a good emotion ???

Generating sympathy comes a close second.  Something NONE of these guys deserve.

There is very dark motivation here.  When a guy parts with a couple of thousand dollars on a Nigerian Export Scam  he is hoping to make a million $ he has in no way earnt.  Motivation greed.

When some fat 50's perdun sends money to a model looks early 20's girl he is hoping to buy his way into her pants.  Motivation Lust.

Of course both groups are upset when they get nothing except poorer.

There is justice.  Both groups tried to scam there way to something they had no right too and so in turn got scammed.

The simple fact is that the majority of photos posted on the scam listings are NOT photos of scammers.  Same goes for the names.  One demented guy even posted a photo that "Fat Yuri" cut from a packet of hair dye!  Photos of fashion models are very common.  Some FSU women who posted here wanted these sites shut down.  I reckon the minimum needed is  much stronger editorial policy.

Scammers will use ANY photo except their own !  The only real person involved comes to collect the money.  Anyone who has spent any time in UKraine will realize that the women queuing up to collect the dosh at western union don't look like fashion models.  Many are just picking up the money for a commission.  "Fat Yuri" gets the $$$

Scam busting is a complete waste of time.  The professional gangs pay off the authorities.  As Jack has pointed out this is organized crime. 

Educate yourself! 

As JB has been saying for years "If it appears to good to be true, It is!