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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2009, 02:01:01 PM »

Anyway, I really did enjoy the correspondence I had with her or him or translator or whoever.  :cluebat:


Well, they are professional letter writers.  They want you to enjoy the correspondence, that way you keep paying for it.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2009, 02:01:04 PM »
Fiction---Thanks. All your points are valid and that is why I stated them as red flags in my first post.

To explain again as I did earlier about the translation cost: I was never asked to send money. I did it on my own---for one month worth. So it is not a translation scam yet if I was not asked for money.
Obviously I should have waited instead to see if I got the bite to pay for the cost and I would have ended the correspondence long ago at that point.

Wow, sorry you lost $3500 over 10 days. How did that happen? You bought everything she wanted and let it get that far?

She means that she does not have experience with computers and typing English. I don't know the percentage of <30 age women there who have no idea about how to use a computer.
I agree with you though wholeheartedly. 
But is it possible that not all girls have computer training and so they go to the agency in the first place? How did all the successful married men here meet their women? A different way perhaps?


3500... plane tickets.. apartment rental.. resturants.. intro fees.. interpretor fees.. not to mention time off work

tim.. I read everything you wrote.. i looked at the site in question.. smells rotten to me.. I have corresponded with tons of ladies on mamba that don't speak english.. it isn't a problem.  When someone is hiding behind an agency.. or translation company.. something isn't right no matter how many assurances you get.

There is a girl I met in Odessa.  She is very beautiful and smart.  She never "asks" for anything or even drops hints.  She has been on her agency site for 3 years at least.  I used to talk to her a lot.  I stopped because she refused to give me her personal phone number or communicate with me off her site, even though she had her own laptop and internet connection at home.  I met her IRL and we had a good connection BEFORE we started to communicate a lot.  She even speaks good English.. so what reason could she have to refuse the off site contact?  SHE WAS GETTING PAID!  I found out later through my friend in Odessa that this girl has a full time boyfriend and is an employee of the agency and gets paid for chats and letters and gifts.  She would in fact marry a foreign man, but only if he is very rich.  Her only motivating factor is raw wealth.. and she considers herself to be exceptionally beautiful (she is) so she has a very high price on her precious parts.  Only a lot of money will tear her away from the only man she has ever been with and loves who also happens to be without any money or prospects.

Odessa has some corrupt people in the MOB business.  No doubt about it, but, they represent a very small percentage of ladies a man could meet there.  There are lots of good people in Odessa.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2009, 02:01:04 PM »
Hi Russian Wind:

Yeah, I did all that. I googled her and all I could find were links to Elena's models,Best Dating.com and also some social network called Wayn.com
From what you know based on what I sent you, that is all I could find.

From my heart, she seems like a very nice, frank girl. I don't know how someone could go so far with such intricate,deep letters as you yourself read, all for just hopes of translation money. I have already told her that I have a budget and she seems ok with that. And she did in fact state she would like to see me soon, so that does sort of defeat the argument of paying translation money every month.

I suppose with my doubts that I would just need an honest person to check her out, maybe even send an 'expression of interest' thru Elenas or even go so far and place a call to her.

OK.. I am going to debunk some stuff here..

If you send an EOI on Elenas who do you think will see it?  Your girl wont see it, but, her translation agency will.  They are the ones who put her on Elenas in the first place.

Wayn social network is a scammers haven.  Tons of fake profiles there that are used by scam agencies and porn sites to lure men.  VERY VERY VERY bad sign you found her there.  But again, it is her agency that is doing it.

The letters you are reading are NOT the girls words.  You are reading the words of a professional interpretor who is embellishing whatever the girl may or may not have said to keep you on the hook.

Her stating that she wants to see you soon means NOTHING.  For a business model like this translation service the letters are bait.. the bigger payoff comes when they get you to come using all of their "services" like apartments, transportation, places to eat and other entertainment.. and of course translator fees and intro fees.  It is a set up for bait and switch.

Unless you can find her on vkontakte and get direct contact with her that way.. you are wasting your time.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2009, 02:41:45 PM »
Looks like your girl

Types pretty well. Poetry etc.
25 y.o. Lives in the place where her passport is registered.
Has 10 personal photos in her album + 5 albums with family etc. 111 friends. Belongs to groups "Lawyers of Ukraina", "Litvin's party" which yellow piece of slogan you can see on that photo on the left.

Cheers.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2009, 04:16:04 PM by RussianWind »
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2009, 03:22:06 PM »
Fiction:

Thanks for your post. I am new to this stuff and didn't know how sophisticated the pro-dating scam business is. Your words about the girl in Odessa were especially interesting.wow.

AJ: I'm actually 41 with normal weight and average height. I'm not in my late 40s yet as you surmised but on some mornings I may feel like it.lol

Russian Wind:
Can you PM me the full link to her page? Do I have to register on that site? I did find the Odessa link and tried to search for those key groups she is involved in but nothing turned up.

Well, we know she is a real girl.She did write me that she some sort of law degree and works as some sort of para-legal or clerk in a court. Maybe that would account for the election material in her photo.
 I guess the million dollar question is whether she is a bonafide prodater player working in tendem with a translator for some extra cash.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2009, 03:45:26 PM by Timothy »

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2009, 04:17:50 PM »
See now.
Forget and relax. Don't spend your time for nothing.
It's your problem if you take my posts too seriously.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2009, 04:43:09 PM »
Yep, that's her.

Just last night you were telling me I should continue to correspond with her as long as there was no money involved and today you say I should forget her. :)

haha...I bet you contacted her thru that odoklassniki site and she responded that she didn't know who the hell I was...

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2009, 05:17:46 PM »
I have better things to do in my life than to write to girls who I don't even know  8) Thank that agency for her passport, it took me only 20 seconds to find her there despite of the fact that she didn't even place her surname there. Internet is a tight society  :)

So at least now we know that she can type... I was really worried about Ukrainian jurists  :P
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #58 on: November 23, 2009, 05:39:18 PM »
Did she type in English or in Russian?
I'm not trying to split hairs here but possibly she meant that she didn't know how to type in English.
But sure, she should have been aware of on-line translators, especially if she is educated in law.
Anyway, you've established that she uses a computer on her own.

Any guys here willing to go for a few drinks then you are welcome to join me. I'm buying.   :'(

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #59 on: November 23, 2009, 05:53:20 PM »
Don't look for exculpations. She also said she had no camera. There are plenty photos there taken with a modern digital camera.
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2009, 06:04:40 PM »
I would appreciate the link to that site though pretty please. I would just like to see those photos. I may have seen none of them or all of them already.

I appreciate your interest in this very much and my heart is definitely more hardened against her. I expect an email from her in the morning from the one I wrote this past Friday which should be pretty interesting (or entertaining)

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #61 on: November 23, 2009, 06:27:30 PM »
I would appreciate the link to that site though pretty please.
Just click on the photo, Tim :-\.
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2009, 06:35:22 PM »
Really??? Call me a dolt if you want but when I click there I don't see how to access the other 9 photos Sandro  :-\
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2009, 06:54:55 PM »
Really??? Call me a dolt if you want but when I click there I don't see how to access the other 9 photos Sandro  :-\
I thought your knowledge of Ukrainian/Russian would allow you to navigate there, but maybe I'm mistaken.

Anyway, the photo has an Одноклассники.ru watermark, so you should be able to find her there, since you know her names ;).
« Last Edit: November 23, 2009, 07:01:51 PM by SANDRO43 »
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2009, 07:06:10 PM »
My apologies but I had taken your other post to have a note of sarcasm to it. :)

Yes, I have a limited knowledge of Ukrainian. I was basically trying to find her page with all the photos but my search mechanisms don't seem to be advanced enough at various stages of that website.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2009, 07:17:47 PM »
I was basically trying to find her page with all the photos but my search mechanisms don't seem to be advanced enough at various stages of that website.
I have no experience with that site - maybe you should register to be able to access some of its features, as in FaceBook ::)?
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2009, 07:38:33 PM »
timothy,. sorry for aging you. prematurely

(i thought you had posted a different age,,but i see it was 41)



I think the thing you need to keep in mind is:

that if she liked you, and has spoken to you on the phone,, SHE would have asked for your number and email.
if you currently lost contact,and she had real interest,  odds are SHE would text you or email independently you to see what was up,or look on social networkin sires for your photos ,or profiles ,
RW  are quite intelligent,  and if even slightly  motivated will track you down to get closure at the least :)


granted my experience is quite old,,and was a limited time,
,but not once did any RW that was interested in me, have any trouble calling me or emailing me,
or asking for that information.
internet cafe's where everywhere even back 8 to 10 years ago.
i've had return visits since then ,, (not *searching* , as i was married visiting extended family)
 but things have progressed quite a bit in Ukraine,,
 
to find ANY single 25 yo RW ,
with a "decent " job, that doesnt have a cell phone that's permanently attached to the side of her head,
who cant type , or have internet cafe access or a social profile somewhere who doesnt have a digital camera and 5,001 pictures of herself, would be quite a feat!

you CAN find someone genuine.
There are thousands that would probably be a better match anyway..
the odds she is even the one writing you are slim..

Still i doubt she's a *pro dater* in the classic sense.

shes someone that may or may not have even listed with the agency at some point in time,, and they may continue to use her photos and profile.  or she may still be active with them,,but the interpreters do the email answering wether she knows this or not.

i want to tell you something.
In 2001 I met my and married my (recently ex) wife..
 YEARS after were were married, (and keep in mind we dated 2 years before marriage)

There were still profiles out there on dozens of sites she never signed up for.
some very big name agencies by the way,, and depsite me asking them to remove the profiles,, most did not..

I received an anastasia catalog in 04?,,no idea why,mayb ei had registered with them in 98 for month before realizing the sillyness? cant recall...
,but they sent me catalogs regularly.. over the  years..

well i'm about to toss it,, and ha! on the front cover.. theres a smaller inset photo of,. my wife ! LOL
,, we both had a great laugh about the things said in the profile as well.
(i think something  silly line, like 'i'd love to bake you cookies,would you like to taste them?"  
(which while she is a great cook ,it's  hardly anything she would EVER write in a profile)

The key is she never listed with anastasia ,or any of its affiliates!!!
she had long ago joined a small local agency along with a girlfriend,, on a whim.. and its long been defunct and out of business.it had never sold its profiles, (never got the chance) as we still know the owners well
(they livei in the same apartment building as her mother)
but its a reality that many agencies swipe profiles.. ;)

You know what? I never followed thru with writing her or calling her through those agencies,,i guess it would have been fun to see who,,and how they answered.. ? what phone number they might give(if their business model allowed it)
and whom might answer that phone..

but i bet many guys did.. what do you think?.
:)

they did drop her profile after a few more complaints from me,
( truthfully i really dint care either way,but wanted one less *Ghost profile * for guys looking)


remember this old axiom between the nations during the cold war?


TRUST BUT VERIFY.


 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:



i'm not trying to dissuade you from an *adventure*..

i'm just trying to make sure you keep your eyes wide open,
and NOT get emotionally invested in a few photos of some 25 RW ,
that may or may not exist in the sense you think she does ,
(she could be married with a family by now for all you can know at this point)

somehow proving she actually exists seems important to you,

you do need to ask yourself WHY?
that  some ukrainian girl ,that is certainly at the age gap edge,, (sorry)
and that you have never met,, is  important to you  

In this light -the specific questions about her,
 are not nearly as  important as the question to yourself of "WHY" she is important at this point.
answer yourself honestly, i think that's the most important part of this venture for both the men and the women..

*shrugs*
« Last Edit: November 23, 2009, 07:57:10 PM by AJ »
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2009, 08:28:47 PM »
Timothy,

You seem to be rationalizing away the red flags. 

Many trainwreck stories have been reported at RWD.  In almost every story, the man admitted to ignoring red flags and instead rationalizing why they were not a problem. 

On the other hand, some men are too paranoid and do not express the confidence that a RW appreciates. 

You need to walk the line between the two extremes.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2009, 09:04:46 PM »
Don't look for exculpations. She also said she had no camera. There are plenty photos there taken with a modern digital camera.

Tim.. let it go.  I know its hard, but, the situation is quite obvious. 

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2009, 09:04:46 PM »
Timothy,

You seem to be rationalizing away the red flags. 

Many trainwreck stories have been reported at RWD.  In almost every story, the man admitted to ignoring red flags and instead rationalizing why they were not a problem. 

On the other hand, some men are too paranoid and do not express the confidence that a RW appreciates. 

You need to walk the line between the two extremes.

I agree 100% Gator.. but sometimes a guy needs to get clue batted by reality to wake up no matter how clear the evidence is.. I am sure we can't think of anyone who fits that description.. ;)

Tim.. if you can, just let go and move on.  If you can't, go ahead and burn a pile of money and find out the hard way.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2009, 09:16:45 PM »
I am sure we can't think of anyone who fits that description.. ;)

Nobody comes to mind  :noidea:  ;)

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2009, 09:37:31 PM »
Tim, here's what you can do: Join Odnoklassniki. Write to this girl and ask for her direct email and address.

If she's interested in you, you can start a whole new conversation with the real girl behind those photos.

If she has no idea who you are, you're being scammed without her knowledge.

If she doesn't respond (and you can see whether she's logged on or not), or if she refuses to give you her contact info, she's part of the scam.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2009, 07:11:05 AM »
My advice just leave her alone and move to another girl. Don't spend your time with investigations, writing letters etc. It's all just a waste of time.

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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2009, 07:37:42 AM »
Hi Tim,
You at least seem to be open minded that you could be chasing the wil o' the wisp.  If you are becoming emotionally invested in this prior to meeting any woman face to face, then you are setting yourself up for problems no matter how you slice it.  Even if she *is* sincere, the chances of what you are getting through email (and especially from a translator from the agency, whose job it is to write tantalizing letters based on some phone notes) will be very different from how and who this lady is in reality.

Become intellectually invested, learning as much as you can, but save the emotional attachment until after you take it from fantasy land and into reality with the meeting.  The only thing you really have at this point IS a fantasy pen pal based on some screen text and a few phone calls.

My opinion follows very closely with the others in this thread that many things are just not right here.  They have been listed up thread so I won't bother reiterating those points.  Cease and desist trying to find possibilities as to why all of these negatives, if taken one by one, can be rationalized away.

If you really want to answer all of the nagging questions, then you'll have to go over and meet her, and then see with your own eyes and ears what this woman is all about. See for yourself if she's really into you by her body language, they way she touches and leans into you during conversations, they way she looks at you with open, admiring eyes... etc etc... Sure they can play a game, and even have great sex with you to extract as much from your wallet as possible, but few people can truly master the art of body language.

Anyway, good luck with it. I suggest as have others to move on, or at least begin communication with other ladies as well.  When you run across those who are really attracted to you, you will absolutely know it.

Dave
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Re: Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2009, 08:39:28 AM »
My advice just leave her alone and move to another girl. Don't spend your time with investigations, writing letters etc. It's all just a waste of time.

I disagree. He has nothing to lose by spending five minutes to contact her through Odnoklassniki.
Her response will clear up the issue of whether she is part of the scam or has never even heard of him. The best case is that she's hasn't been corresponding with him at all, but she is interested. It doesn't seem to me that he's looking 'out of his league', so who knows. The likely case is that her response makes it clear that she was part of the scam. At least that clears up the situation and it'll make it easier for him to move on without any lingering doubts.

I've been in slightly similar situations before.

I met two girls through singles.ru that were also on Elena's Models and other bridal sites. On Elena's both 'responded' to my Expression of Interest, and one 'messaged' me. Neither knew about this and hadn't checked messages through the agency that placed them on Elena's in months.

Another girl I met through FreePersonals also had an agency translator that responded to me and sent me a few short emails. This girl never responded to anyone through the agency. I met her only because I had written from Russia and the translator thought I stood out, so she called the girl one day and said 'hey, you should phone this guy, he's already here'. She did phone, and we ended up dating for 2 years and we're still very close.

So you never know what will happen. I agree that chasing and investigating is a waste of time, but firing off a quick message to a girl now that he can contact her without an agency is worth the few minutes it takes, even if it’s just for his peace of mind.
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