Am I corresponding with Pro Dater or am I just paranoid?

[RussianWind]

Ok, if you want, register there and if you can't I will help to find her there. Her reaction is rather interesting 

[Timothy]

Daveman: Thank you very much for your comments. I take them to heart and also everyone else who has written here. If it makes everyone feel good here, I decided about a day ago or so not to send any more money for translations and I will keep an open mind about all this, and keep my heart free. 


Jooky,Fiction,Gator,AJ and Sandro: Thanks again for your views!

Russian Wind: Again, thanks for your time in your investigations.
Yeah, I am a little curious just to see how the "Tanechka" on Odnoklassniki reacts. I'm off this week from work so it will be a little fun in my time. I did register on that site yesterday but I couldn't find her despite using various names and cities in Cyrillic. And it looked like I had to pay an SMS fee for anyones pic I clicked on?

[RussianWind]

And it looked like I had to pay an SMS fee for anyones pic I clicked on?

Oh yes, I forgot when they reached 9 mlns, they made account activation not free. But it costs $1 or so through sms.

[SANDRO43]

Tim, you bear a striking resemblance to our current Minister of Justice, Angelino Alfano:

No relation, I suppose .

[Timothy]

haha....nope. I part my hair the opposite side that he does.....what's left of it anyway.   

[Kievman]

Red flags everywhere

1)   Can’t use a computer? Nonsense. Flowers? Probably the agency called her said we have 11 roses for you so you know if he asks. Collect commission next time you’re in the office.
2)   Not answering calls is a red red flag. I see the girls running out of clubs to answer the telephone to their USA boyfriend.
3)   You can’t take a photo in Ukraine without someone wanting theirs taken too. Even complete strangers pose to have their photo taken. I don’t know half the girls in my photos from my birthday party last year. Everyone has a camera or mobile with camera built in.

Please stop accepting excuses for these and if you’re not even prepared to “move on” find a few others to talk with until you visit Odessa.

To me the whole episode is filled with bait of all types.

No camera? Translation fees? She knows there is no need to ask as you’ll offer something anyway, and you did.

[NJ]

Timothy,

I doubt that a young girl will be throwing money on a translation service (if it is not her friends or relatives working there). If she managed to upload her profile in internet then she is probably able to visit prompt or any other on line translator. It is very weird if a university graduate from a city, not a village, can't use a computer. EVERY computer in FSU has English letters as well on the keyboard and I'm sure that it is possible to find a super-professional IT specialist in Odessa that will press Ctrl+Shift for her to switch from Russian to English alphabet.

[Timothy]

Hi Kievman.

Nothing to worry about. The great guys and girls on this forum drilled it into my head as I continually kicked around a dead horse until I finally had to use the breaking wheel on it and have it impaled. And I also found her profile on the odnoklaski site her profile where there were lots of recent photos and even a poem she typed.
She exists of course and she wanted me to meet her n Odessa but it appears she is involved in a 'pro dater' scam to make money for her agency in translation costs and propably apartment rental commission.
I did fire off a short letter to her in reply to her continued responses of not having an access to a camera and her inability to have the knowledge of typing something on a computer. She had even stated in her last letter that she was longer a member of any dating agencies. In response to that I included in my email a few screenshots of the 4 or so dating agencies she was a member, including at least one in which she logged into just last week. (Elenas Models)  

[Kievman]

Hi Tomothy,

That's great. Almost everyone here will be glad to see your response. I find "you find the good ones, the bad ones find you". So you gotta keep looking but with open eyes and some mechanical device in your pocket that kicks you everytime a red flag appears. Not to close every door but just to keep on your guard.

Best of luck with your search.

[SANDRO43]

And I also found her profile on the odnoklaski site her profile where there were lots of recent photos and even a poem she typed.

Tim, did you try contacting her through there? That might solve your riddle .

[Timothy]

Sandro:

Yes, I did. It was actually thru a friend of mine's profile where I did it. I explained to Tatyana politely who I was in Ukrainian language ( I write well enough in it) and all that but there was no response...yet she had logged into her account later and viewed my friend's profile. I have some trouble activating my own account on there. It wants me to pay an SMS fee to activate but the response I kept getting back from them was 'expired'. Even after I created another profile the same thing happened. Wierd.
It will be interesting if I get a letter again from her on the 'translation' agency.
It's sad because she has a pretty nice profile on odnoklaski. Wrote a couple small love poems, has some nice photos together with friends. And I discovered that she actually does have a roommate named Paulina (which she had written to me earlier about). Has intelligence too as she belongs to a jurist group on there.

I guess at this point, my thoughts are that for her to earn some extra money, she works for Etoiles translation agency where the primary source of income must be for the pro daters to collect 'language lesson fees', translation fees and probably apartment rental commissions since she did want to see me.

[valence]

I guess at this point, my thoughts are that for her to earn some extra money, she works for Etoiles translation agency where the primary source of income must be for the pro daters to collect 'language lesson fees', translation fees and probably apartment rental commissions since she did want to see me.

You overlooked the local florist.

[Timothy]

Well the end of the month is here and I just received an e-mail from Elena Yaremenko from etoiles.com.ua

Hello Timothy,

I would like to remind you that the computer and translation services for the correspondence between you and Tanechka have been paid till the end of November, and for being able to keep using them in December, whether you or Tanechka have to pay for the next month.

Best regards,

Elena.



Interestingly enough, the last time I paid was to Elena and now their web site has changed the name now to pay the amount to Ganna Vasylevska

[Timothy]

PEr the previous post, I replied to them last night that I will not not be paying another $100 for translations services beginning December 1.
I received this reply today from etoiles.com.ua
Scam?

Hello Timothy!

Tanya Dyomina brought us many photos yesterday, and we have completed
adjusting them today.

I am unsure Tanya will be able to pay for correspondence with you in
December herself, so I will offer you and her to

It is correspondence with one man costs 100 USD a month, so either you
or Tanya has to pay for it, and I will remind Tanya and you the rules
of our agency that you cannot communicate with each other by any other
means but our agency, as it was we who introduced you to each other,
so using odnoklassniky or any other means is prohibited, and if you
did not know it, then Tanya knows it and I am sure will follow it. It
is the same we if a real estate shows you a house, you cannot rent or
by it, by contacting the owner directly, when you were introduced to
each other by a real estate agent. Tanya can only speak to you over
the phone.

Tanya corresponds with no one else but you at the moment, though we
have her profiles on the site, she does not wish to correspond with
anyone else. So she will not pay anything to correspond with anyone
else in December but you.

I will send you photos of Tanya and her family in a few e-mails.

Regards,

Ganna Vasylevska

[RussianWind]

Scam?

Of course not.
And Tanechka is their property, she can't move or breath without their permission.
Did I advice not to spend your time? Why you men are so stubborn  

[groovlstk]

It
is the same we if a real estate shows you a house, you cannot rent or
by it, by contacting the owner directly, when you were introduced to
each other by a real estate agent. Tanya can only speak to you over
the phone.

Whenever someone complains about western men "shopping" for a pretty wife, a portion of the blame goes to marriage agencies like this who see their women as product, no different than cell phones or produce.

I know I shouldn't laugh, but the owner's claims are a bit funny. If you decide to marry this woman, is it prohibited to propose to her via any means other than his agency?

This industry is so screwed up and disgusting - I can't imagine why any man would opt to use an agency when there are so many other means available today that cut out the vampires. When I started my search, agencies had a monopoly and guys had to deal with these sort of shenanigans all the time. Times have changed, don't be a sucker.

[Timothy]

Ok.
So if it is not a scam, then it's pro-dating for profit of agency? How else can you explain it? If she is "forced" to be with the club, then it is 'for profit" and she is working for them. Correct? What would change if I went to see her or anyone else thru a pro dating agency? I would be obligated to use their apartments and taxis because she belongs to the club? I never would be allowed to accept anything more than a kiss on the cheek because she is their property? You folks keep stating that pro dating via agency is not a scam. Please enlighten me since I don't appear to be a very sharp pencil.  

Let's assume she is a sincere girl and she ended services with the club. Then wouldn't she be free to correspond different way? How would the agency know then?

I'm not aware of American pro dating clubs that forbid email address exchanges and other means of communicating upon joining. Why should it be any different over there??

[RussianWind]

Please enlighten me since I don't appear to be a very sharp pencil.  

I was very ironic. Of course they are scammers what was said by 2012 earlier "translation scam". They want to keep you using their service as long as possible.

[SANDRO43]

I'm not aware of American pro dating clubs that forbid email address exchanges and other means of communicating upon joining. Why should it be any different over there??

Because they don't make as much revenue from advertising, and rely mostly on membership fees and/or pay-per-letter strategies.

See http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=5901.0 for ways to get around their censorship .

[Timothy]

Thank you very much for the link Sandro. Very interesting and helpful. 

That maybe is exactly my problem. I believe my letters and possibly hers are getting censored. The question is to how much beholden is she to the club. I am more inclined to believe that she probably is loyal perhaps because of some "commission rebates"
Anyway, I have no intention to pay any more "translation fees". I already had been looking elsewhere to begin a correspondence. As for Tanechka, I am just letting the cards fall as they may and per the letter I received from her agency, will be interesting if she herself will be paying the cost. NOT!

I've been unable to contact her thru Odnoklassyki because I can't get my damn account activated. They don't accept T-Mobile to pay the SMS fee for activation, so I will need to communcate with a contact or a relative there to do the favor for me, or find someone who has Verizon. Sprint don't work either although it is listed as an option.

[facetrock]

  Tim, I guarentee you her letters are not censored. She would have to be writing them to be censored. She has never written to you. Not once ever. Its a simple translation scam. They have been around for years.
 I would be surprised if you ever really did talk to the woman in the pictures on the phone and if you did she is knee deep in the scam.
 I think your having a hard time letting go from what I read from yur last post.

  Tim, sorry but all, and I mean every bit of your correspondence and phone calls have been fake. Nothing but an illusion. She was created by some man or woman on a computer keyboard and in your own mind.

[Timothy]

Facetrock- I don't disagree with you at all. You are most likely completely right. But there are apparently agencies out there according to Sandro who do make a woman sign a contract with the club.
I have looked at her odnoklassnyki site and it is "real". But I had been using someone else's account temporarily and now I was only trying to figure out her motives by contacting her, whether she is sincere in communicating without the service she uses or if she ever knew about me at all.
Why there and not by phone? Because I well know that the phone calls in question may have been made thru a ringer.
Plus, apparently I have too much spare time on my hands. 
I have in fact been looking for other women. I refuse to pay any more translation money to a third party that I didn't set up.
Thankfully, I've only lost $100 + another $25 for some wildflowers that probably never were delivered since I never got a photo out of it.
Folks, please be aware to avoid or use extreme caution in dealing with etoiles.com.ua in Odessa run by Ganna Vasylevska and Elena and Anna Yaremenko.

[facetrock]

  A good way to avoid translation scams is not to correspond with women who cant speak English. I would love to read whats in a contract that a pro dater would sign. I really doubt if its that formal of an agreement though.
  Tim if she is involved personally she is not sincere and could give a rats ass about communicating with you. Her motives are making some extra cash. If she isnt involved in the scam she has no idea who you are and her pictures are probably pilfered from some other site. Very common.
   
   You need to read more in the scam section and get this hot babe out of your head. I said before this is a very simple scam thats been around a long time.
   
    125 dollars is a cheap education. I have blown alot more than that on a bad date.
     Go to Lucky lovers or Freepersonals.ru or some place like that. Push a little to get their phone number as soon as possible. Women that are interested in you will be happy to give it. They dont like writing letters anymore than a man does.Especially when its not their native language.
 

[boaterguy]

Tim! If you want the real shocker ask them how much they are going to charge you to meet her if you travel to see her. The next question would be: How much are they going to charge you if the 2 of you decide to get married!  :usdeyes:

[Sculpto]

Tim.

It is a pity you got sucked into this scam.  To my knowledge this totally corrupt type of operation is new to Odessa, but, used to occur through Lugansk all the time.  There is a decent chance her "classmates" profile is a fake also.  Just because there is a profile does not mean there is a sincere girl behind it.

Drop them as you have said you would do, forget this girl and move on.

Try Mamba, try vkontakte, try elenas..

Best of luck!