Opinion Regarding Tiger Woods

[GQBlues]

You may be right republicans only go after men in bathroom stalls  

Hahah Good one. Best birdie I've seen so far. Catch you on the next hole...  

I'll keep the Barney Frank ace in the bag for now...

[Lily]

I was wondering why this thread is in the 'Questions to Ladies' forum? 

Incidentally, I was of the same opinion first   The name Tiger Woods met my eye a couple of times during my adult life, otherwise I have no idea of what he is.

But when I read Gator's question, I got the point. Yes, it seems like being correctly on its place.

As a mod, I feel I have to react somehow on the questions. Well, I find these questions extremely difficult to answer, and even more difficult to answer them correctly.

Let's go slowly and logically. Here we have a married man who wants to have sex with other women. This seems to be a natural male desire, as men are programmed to have sex with as many women as they can. Society suppress this desire, because it contradicts the family values which are important for the society's prosperity. Social values tend to hold up strong natural desires and at the same time to promote appearances of faithfulness, love and life security.

Proceeding from that, marriage is an instutite that protects women's interests. A man wants to be a winner; a woman wants a man who is a winner. By asking a woman's hand, a man seems to make a certain sacrifice, implying that he promises to have sex with this woman only, hence suppressing his own interest to sex many. Please don't get me wrong, this is not my opinion. I just try to be somehow unbiased, to a possible extent.

Now back to Tiger's. Besides being a man, he is a very rich man. Rich men do have choices, unlike many of us. Mating choices including. Therefore Tiger is doing what he can do, being up to his abilities.

Last but not least, he is a celebrity, in addition to the above. Celebrities are closely watched. I don't think that this contributed, though..but in order to comment about his celeb status and its implication on the love life, one should really know the person.

I see a number of off-topics here...may I ask you dears to stay on topic?

[tfcrew]

Let's go slowly and logically. Here we have a married man who wants to have sex with other women. This seems to be a natural male desire, as men are programmed to have sex with as many women as they can. Society suppress this desire....
  Proceeding from that, marriage is an instutite that protects women's interests. A man wants to be a winner; a woman wants a man who is a winner. 
 

Lily..One cannot have a 'natural desire' and yet it is programmed also.
If so ...who programs it?
Modern day American society supresses nothing. Morals are falling apart just as they have in every other moral-less society.
There is an old saying..Judge not those who try and fail..judge those who fail to try.
So yes, Tiger Woods was a winner in golf..but now he is a loser in life.

[BillyB]

As a mod, I feel I have to react somehow on the questions.

I hope you react more often Lily than you have lately. I've always liked your posts.

Although Tiger has manly desires that need to get satisfied, there is something more important at stake and that is his integrity going to hell. He can't have one without compromising the other. I'm pretty sure he and his wife had a serious talk before marriage about the consequences of infidelity. ALL people should have that kind of serious talk before getting married. You might find out that you both don't care and like to switch partners on a regular basis. I don't think Tiger's wife is as much a swinger as Tiger is.

[Ronnie]

A friend once sent me an article that concerned a study of men and women and their mating habits.  It seems fairly well established that men are not programmed for monogamy, but what about women?  The study suggested that women will romp with the exciting rebel and the strong athlete or warrior.  But the ultimately tend to settle down with the accountant or college professor for the steady material support he will provide.  Once married, she too will engage in sex with others, looking for offspring that may be physically stronger and have a better chance of survival.

My ex wife once read a magazine article that asserted that according to a survey the average man has x number of different sexual partners in his life while the average woman reported only half as many.  This led to our first debate as a couple with your truly asserting that the numbers were mathematically implausible since each new and different partner for the man is also a new and different partner for the woman.

While we denigrate Eldrick for his failure to honor his marriage vows let not forget that none of his stable of mistresses was under the false impression that he was an eligible bachelor.  How then can it be that a wife is more prone to fidelity than a husband?

[Lily]

Lily..One cannot have a 'natural desire' and yet it is programmed also.
If so ...who programs it?
 

Well, I have read that sex is a natural men's need that is naturally programmed. If wrong, please correct as I am not a man in order to check it;)

A friend once sent me an article that concerned a study of men and women and their mating habits.  It seems fairly well established that men are not programmed for monogamy, but what about women?   
 

My belief is that most of women are programmed for monogamy. She needs not quantity but quality; so she wants only one man but he should be really loved by her. Yes I have heard about women who say they cannot live without sex, but they are definitely in minority.

[JohnDearGreen]

My belief is that most of women are programmed for monogamy. She needs not quantity but quality; so she wants only one man but he should be really loved by her.

Lily,
What percentage of single Russian women would you estimate would accept an offer from someone similar to Tiger, for example maybe Mikhail Prokhorov, to be their "part time" girlfriend, with a generous expense account included?

[tfcrew]

Well, I have read that sex is a natural men's need that is naturally programmed. If wrong, please correct as I am not a man in order to check it

 

Hi Lily..
In your earlier post, you did not write that.
You wrote that men are "programmed to have sex with as many women as they can".
Men's [and women's] "needs" and the way they address them is what should separate them from a bunch of animals running around.
I've had my temptations in the almost 10 years we have been married here. That is all they were mainly because I believe there is more to it than 'just do it'.


Karl

[Lily]

Lily,
What percentage of single Russian women would you estimate would accept an offer from someone similar to Tiger, for example maybe Mikhail Prokhorov, to be their "part time" girlfriend, with a generous expense account included?

No idea about any percentage. But some probably would.

Hi Lily..
In your earlier post, you did not write that.
You wrote that men are "programmed to have sex with as many women as they can".
 

I don't think that my two posts contradict each other.

[tfcrew]

I don't think that my two posts contradict each other.

Then the idea of infidelity is really perfectly normal?
That Mrs Tiger Woods would be out of line with any objections of Mr Woods philandering, womanizing or any sordid affair because after all, he is natuarally programmed to behave in this manner?

OK

[Gator]

A respectable source wrote that Tiger underwent emergency plastic surgery in Phoenix the day after he drove into the tree.  Dental work too.  Hence, no appearance. 

The same source says that the couple are making progress towards reconciliation.

Who knows?  Time will tell.

[Gator]

What was written by the "source,"  defintely 'hearsay' to the second degree:

> Thought this might interest you - a friends who knows a member who belongs to Olympic Club in FL [I don't know of a Olympic club in FL, just the club in SF].

> A  member  lives 10 houses down from

> Tiger in Isleworth. As we know Tiger's agent is Mark

> Steinberg. This  member plays golf and is real good friends
          > with another IMG Agent; who is very good friends with  Steinberg
   and they share the same office. This information

> came from the other IMG Agent to this member, and then forwarded it.

> On Thanksgiving Day, after he and Elin and the family had

> Turkey Dinner, he spent the rest of the afternoon on the

> couch watching football and texting Rachel. After each

> received and sent text message he would clear his message

> box to rid himself of the evidence. Sometime in between

> there, one of his Orlando buds called him to see if he

> wanted to get together at the Clubhouse to play poker with

> the guys, to which Tiger said yes. Tiger left the house

> around 7:30 to go play poker, and left behind his cell

> phone....and one message he had forgot to delete from

> Rachel.

>

> When Tiger returned home around 11:30 -12 that night, Elin

> confronted him about the text message in the phone, and the

> started a heated discussion to its regards. According to

> what I was told, there was more "incriminating

> evidence" than just the text message (i.e. photos).

> Tiger tried to play it off to Elin by telling her she was

> reading too much in to it, and did not know the story, etc.

> Tiger went upstairs to chance into his gym shorts and t -

> shirt, came back down, and Elin confronted him again; to

> which Tiger gave the same story. Tiger sat down in a chair

> in the living room, and Elin sat acorss from him urging

> Tiger to just come clean. Tiger stayed to his guns and

> denied everything. At one point Tiger turned away to look at

> the TV, and as he turned back, Elin hit him on the right

> side of the face with the head of a 9 - iron. When she

> struck Tiger, she put a huge gash in the right side of his

> face next to his nose (causing his nose to bruise some), and

> virtually knocking two of his upper teeth out, and breaking

> the bone on the upper right side. Tiger ran scared as hell

> out of the house (which is why he had on no shoes) with Elin

> swinging the golf club thoughout the hallway to the garage

> (i.e causing the severe damage which has been reported).

> Tiger hoped in the Escalade and tried to leave; and as we

> know Elin knocked out the windows in the Escalade. When

> Tiger crashed, Elin panicked and was not sure what to tell

> the police (which is why there are two conflicting stories

> from her). When this happened, Elin immediately called Mark

> Steinberg to tell him what happened, and Mark told Elin to

> tell him what hospital they were going to, and he would meet

> them there.

>

> Tiger is transported to the hospital with Elin in the

> ambulance, and as they arrive Mark is there waiting for

> them. The people from the hospital and the doctors take

> Tiger in for X-Rays etc to check out the damage caused. The

> doctors tell Mark there is not much they can do to repair

> the teeth and the gash, but the doctor knows a cosmetic

> dentist and plastic surgeon in Phoenix who will make Tiger

> look as if nothing happened. Tiger tells Mark to get the jet

> ready and lets head to Phoenix to get this done. Friday

> after Tiger is released from the hospital, he does not

> return home, he and Mark board the plane for Phoenix. If you

> remember FHP kept showing up at Isleworth to talk to TIger,

> and was told by another FL attorney (who Tiger hired for PR

> reasons) Tiger was not ready to talk. Well now we know why,

> he was in Phoenix, and did not arrive back in Orlando until

> either late last Wednesday night or early Thursday morning.

> The surgeries were more intense than what they had

> originally planned, which meant Tiger was in PHX longer than

> he should have been. Upon arriving back in Orlando, Tiger

> and Elin have been in intense marriage conseling sessions

> (up to 6 to 7 hours a day) every day! Both Tiger and Elin

> have told the conselors they love each other, and want to

> make the marriage work. The reports you are reading on TMZ

> and RadarOnline are about 30% accurate at best according to

> Mark.

>

> In regards to Tiger's boat being in Palm Beach this

> week, along with Rachel; that part is true. However, Tiger

> is not on the boat, and is not in Palm Beach; and Rachel is

> not on the boat. Her parents live 6 blocks from where the

> boat is, but that is it. Tiger has not returned to his house

> at Isleworth since the day of the accident except for the

> therapy sessions. IMG has enlisted the assistance of one of

> its most recognized sports figures, and Tiger has taken up

> residence in his neighborhood; Bay Hill. IMG contacted

> Arnold Palmer because of the high regard in which Tiger

> holds Arnold. Arnold has agreed, and IMG has said if anyone

> can get through to Tiger, Arnold may be the only person who

> can based on his public persona when he was at the height of

> his game as well. The moving trucks being shown on TMZ and

> RadarOnline are moving out pictures and furniture which was

> damaged during their Thanksgiving Day argument; not of her

> moving out. Yes, Elin has retained a divorce attorney, but

> has not filed any papers, and as of yesterday had no

> intention on doing so. Tiger has not made any public

> appearances or statements due to the surgery and plastic

> surgery he had in PHX. It will be about another month if not

> more before he gets in front of a camera. Yes, Tiger is

> hitting golf balls late at ngiht at Bay Hill out of their

> teaching center (which is equipped with lights).

[JR]

 

This is what happened to Tiger Woods, but in terms that we can understand...
 
Two Woodpeckers...

A Mexican woodpecker and a Canadian woodpecker were in Mexico arguing about which country had the toughest trees.

The Mexican woodpecker claimed Mexico had a tree that no woodpecker could peck.

The Canadian woodpecker accepted his challenge and promptly pecked a hole in the tree with no problem.

The Mexican woodpecker was amazed.

The Canadian woodpecker then challenged the Mexican woodpecker to peck a tree in Canada that was absolutely 'impeckable' (a term frequently used by woodpeckers).

The Mexican woodpecker expressed confidence that he could do it and accepted the challenge.

The two of them flew to Canada where the Mexican woodpecker successfully pecked the so-called 'impeckable' tree almost without breaking a sweat.

Both woodpeckers were now terribly confused. How is it that the Canadian woodpecker was able to peck the Mexican tree, and the Mexican woodpecker was able to peck the Canadian tree, yet neither was able to peck the tree in their own country?

After much woodpecker pondering, they both came to the same conclusion:

Apparently, your pecker gets harder when you're away from home.
 

[Shostakovich]

Fascination with celebrity provides a little relief to a gray life.  As there are many of those the manufacture of celebrity and publication of its exploits is a growth industry.   

[tfcrew]

 A chance to make good?
Polish the image a bit?
TW could turn it all around...dump some time and cash into the Haitian relief effort.
Though some other rich guys could too........................

[Shadow]

I do not understand the commotion and loss of contracts.
Would any Hollywood star be out of work if his marriage broke up over a mistress ?
Would the US president be out of a job when an affair was revealed (we know the answer) ?

Then why punish a guy who had trouble in married life by withdrawing his income ?

If I were the marriage partner of Tiger, he would be kicked to the curb.
If I were the business partner of Tiger I would make sure my logo was on every shot they show of him.

[myrddin]

Shadow, I agree with you except that in this case they were actually buying/selling Tiger's "wholesome" image.  I hear some of his sponsors included morals clauses in their contracts.

[Shadow]

Shadow, I agree with you except that in this case they were actually buying/selling Tiger's wholesome image.  I hear some of his sponsors included morals clauses in their contracts.

Sponsors do not include such clauses for no reason. Most probably they were aware of a threat, and cutting some cost for a star who already is fading never hurt the sponsor.
As they make big press releases about stopping the contract, and they are not simultaneously, the companies are trying to show their 'good image', while actually given the recent news before he got in to trouble they were looking for any opportunity to cut off the cashflow.

[Ronnie]

Well, looks like Frito-Lay is seizing the moment...  "Lay's, You Can't Have Just One"

[Gator]

Tiger's agent says that Tiger will hold news conference Friday.

[kievstar]

Will be interesting to see if he plays the Masters this year. If he plays, the media will be all over him for not being committed to family.  If he does not play, the media will be all over him as well.

I hope he tees it up and fails.  I like Jack and do not want his records to ever be broken. 

[Gator]

TV ratings for golf tournaments have fallen like a rock.  The golf business is hurting.  It seems that even those people who don't pull for Tiger (e. g., Kievstar) miss him and this has reduced their interest in golf.  They watched hoping he would lose.  Now they don't watch.

BTW I understand the news conference is not really a conference.  First, Tiger will not accept questions.  Second, no tabloids are allowed.  He will arrive and leave via helicopter.

[tfcrew]

I do not understand the commotion and loss of contracts.
Would any Hollywood star be out of work if his marriage broke up over a mistress ?
Would the US president be out of a job when an affair was revealed? 

Slick Willy was a reputed philanderer going into the White House.
The Hollywood types are expected to be unfaithful.
It seems to me like it is just the old retired actors who endorse stuff anymore.
Look how it went for OJ...............................................
 

[kievstar]

Gator has a good point.  Tiger Woods is golf.  Without Tiger, golf is just a little more popular than bowling on TV.

I have a good friend who married a Korean girl.  After the Tiger wood incident she does not want her son playing golf.  Her husband was a big ten golfer (not pro) and so the genes would be there.  Tiger has a big influence over Asians (as he really is mainly Asian and not black).  She views golf as a disgrace now.  Its a little silly IMHO but Tiger has a huge impact on golf and what people think about it.  Her husband is a very strong man so her son will be playing golf. 

[GQBlues]

While I can easily understand the economic implications that propelled Finchen to actually provide Tiger a full-on accomodation to stage his address, on his term, I am saddened both for the sport and the rest of his peers that this happened in this manner. Just like I feel about the silliness surrounding Phil's Eye3 wedgeeee drama.

Accenture's current tournament is suffering the consequences because of Tiger's transgressions, but to make matters worst, as though to get even for pulling out his sponsorship, picking this Friday to be 'D-DAY' is rather tasteless and inconsiderate on Tiger's part.

He couldv'e easily waited until Monday, Tuesday, or even Wednesday when the circuit is off. I'm sure his Rachel can wait.