The best way to go about this process

[JR]

Brian, so what feels right for your personality. It's your adventure, live it.

Ravens: I have no opinion on your particular method, it has worked for you and no one can argue with sucess. However, do you believe your wife would have been a different person if you had met her after one year instead of two?

[Enot]

Nobody "needs to accept" anything unless it's supported by hard data.

That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out.  The ODDS depend directly on the percentages.  If you are so sure the odds are higher, you MUST have some idea what the percentages are?

Okay, let me ask you a question.  In your opinion, where would you most likely find a woman who would accept a foreign man as her husband?  In Russian and the Ukraine or in a different country of the former soviet union?

This is for anyone to answer, not just the Fairy.

[Sculpto]

You need to go back and READ what I wrote.  I never said there were not serious women in Russia or the Ukraine.  I'm only taking ODDS!

Odds are "you" will find a woman wherever "you" are.  "Odds" are there are excellent women just waiting for "you" to sweep them off their feet in the Baltics, other former Iron Curtain countries, Georgia, Azerbaijian, Ethiopia, and even Somalia too.  

Maybe since Brian wants to save the world he should try Congo or Rwanda?  I am sure there are lots of compliant women in those countries that would be really happy to live in the West.

If you are really ugly and stupid maybe you could go after an Afgani bride?  Just don't forget to pay the dowry.. but at least you will know she is a virgin.  Odds are good.   :evil:

[Blues Fairy]

Okay, let me ask you a question.  In your opinion, where would you most likely find a woman who would accept a foreign man as her husband?  In Russian and the Ukraine or in a different country of the former soviet union?

First answer my question.  Ballpark estimates will do.

[Enot]

First answer my question.  Ballpark estimates will do.

The question is an opinion question.  In my opinion, your odds of finding a serious women in Russia or the Ukraine are not as good as finding a serious woman in a different country of the former soviet union (FSU)

[BrianW]

First answer my question.  Ballpark estimates will do.

Fairy,

Obviously its impossible to make a percentage estimate on Enot's claim due to the very large populations of these countries and the fact that he couldn't possibly have encountered a large percentage of the women that live there, but being that it was an opinion provided by him based on subjective experience, I don't see why he needs to provide that number, even if he could......

[Sculpto]

Actually.. given the fact that the overall population of Russia and Ukraine together are literally million if not tens of millions greater than the other CIS countries combined the odds are in favor of finding a bride int he Russia/Ukraine simply because of the greater numbers..

But.. this is a stupid debate.

[Misha]

The question is an opinion question.  In my opinion, your odds of finding a serious women in Russia or the Ukraine are not as good as finding a serious woman in a different country of the former soviet union (FSU)

And in my opinion, your opinion is wrong 

[Enot]

Does anyone agree that the ODDS/Percentage is better to find a serious woman in a FSU country other than Russia or the Ukraine?

[Enot]

And in my opinion, your opinion is wrong 

That's okay, you have your opinion and I have mine.  I can accept it.

[GQBlues]

Does anyone agree that the ODDS/Percentage is better to find a serious woman in a FSU country other than Russia or the Ukraine?

Based on what value/criteria? Or should we simply shoot from the hip?

FSU encompasses countries like Estonia which for the most part is largely OUT of the MOB circle.

[docetae]

Does anyone agree that the ODDS/Percentage is better to find a serious woman in a FSU country other than Russia or the Ukraine?

No, I don't agree. It seems you have a lot to learn about Russian and Ukrainian people.

[Enot]

Based on what value/criteria? Or should we simply shoot from the hip?

FSU encompasses countries like Estonia which for the most part is largely OUT of the MOB circle.

No don't shoot from the hip ... use your brain.

[Enot]

No, I don't agree. It seems you have a lot to learn about Russian and Ukrainian people.

I've been to Russia and the Ukraine, I know them well.  Seems like you're the one that needs to learn more.

[Sculpto]

I've been to Russia and the Ukraine, I know them well.  Seems like you're the one that needs to learn more.

oy.. and sigh.. so you made a few trips to the biggest country int he world were there are multiple languages and ethnicities not to mention regional variations in culture and you in one swipe demonize the entire place.. yeah.. you advice is worth listening to..

soooo anyway.. is today morons invade RWD day or what?  Unfortunately I suspect the closer we get to xmas the stranger and more exotic creatures will be roaming around.. pretty soon you guys will be saying I am normal, now that is SCARY! 

[docetae]

I've been to Russia and the Ukraine, I know them well.  Seems like you're the one that needs to learn more.

Please tell me what I should learn.... It can become interesting.

[Vaughn]

Does anyone agree that the ODDS/Percentage is better to find a serious woman in a FSU country other than Russia or the Ukraine?

As the quote stands, I really believe the odds are higher that a WM will encounter more numbers of women
who are seeking a rescue, who will acquiesce to a less than attractive situation in order to change their
surroundings. I would be hard-pressed personally to invest enough time and treasure to figure out her true motive.

Enot, if you truly believe your odds are better by going that route, by all means - go for it dude.

Please tell me what I should learn.... It can become interesting.

doc, what you and I should learn is that certain guys will defend an idea they believe to be correct, to the point
of discounting opinions offered by others with real and measureable experience.

[OlgaH]

I completely agree that there are serious woimen in Ukraine, Russia, and the USA exist but the ODDS of finding a serious women are better in Belarus, Moldova, or Uzbekistan.

Enot,

What so interesting all three countries you have mentioned: Belarus, Moldova and Uzbekistan - are countries with a vulnerable economy  .

I'm curious what is your criteria of a woman's seriousness    

[remiel6]

  2012isfiction, normal?  :whirling: say it isn't so   I refuse to believe it  

please stop trying to bake cookies.

the right way? is the one that works
which one is that? I won't know until you find it
which place has the woman of your dreams? The one where you find her.

I know this is not popular to the control freaks who try and dissect every possibility before doing anything, but if you ask the men here where they met their current wives/fiances you will find a lot of them met on sites that they would never recommend.
So visit them all, or at least the ones that wont cost you three arms, two legs, your first born child and a chicken named Fred.
If you spend all of your time figuring out where to meet "Ms. Right" you won't ever meet her because you never left to find her in the first place.

meeting "the One" whatever that means is like anything else. Throw ideas against the wall till one of them doesn't fall down.  

oh and my last two cents

never use the statements

all RW are like .....
all AW are like .....
all AM are like .....
all RM are like .....

besides being an overly general statement it doesn't get you on a plane. It doesn't help you to connect with a woman and most importantly you keep making conclusions about people you've never met.

[Blues Fairy]

No don't shoot from the hip ... use your brain.

If you used your brain you would be able to provide evidence to support your opinion.  As of now, no evidence has been provided, therefore let's just agree that you have no f*** idea what you're talking about and leave it at that. 

[Sculpto]

If you used your brain you would be able to provide evidence to support your opinion.  As of now, no evidence has been provided, therefore let's just agree that you have no f*** idea what you're talking about and leave it at that. 

passing a bottle of champagne to Blues.. we get to agree for a change.. time to celebrate..

[RussianWind]

But.. this is a stupid debate.

It is. Let every man hunt on his own territory  

Uzbek, Belorussian and Moldova girls are not spoiled with attention of western men, is it what you are trying to say? But that doesn't mean they are more serious about marriage than others.

[Enot]

oy.. and sigh.. so you made a few trips to the biggest country int he world were there are multiple languages and ethnicities not to mention regional variations in culture and you in one swipe demonize the entire place.. yeah.. you advice is worth listening to..

soooo anyway.. is today morons invade RWD day or what?  Unfortunately I suspect the closer we get to xmas the stranger and more exotic creatures will be roaming around.. pretty soon you guys will be saying I am normal, now that is SCARY! 

I happened to be married to a RW, I see you are committed foir more than a year ... in what asylum are you committed?

Yes it's moron day ... that's why you're here.

[Enot]

Well I see there are some that continue to jump into the tail end of a thread and commenting without reading the entire thread.  My definition of a serious woman is at the beginning of this tread.

I feel bad for you guys that can't use their brain to get an opinion.  Fairy said he didn't agre with me and hen turned around and said she needed facts, not sure where his brain is.

Sorry to take up your time with my opinion but if you really think about it and use your brain, I think you would agree with me.

[Sculpto]

Well I see there are some that continue to jump into the tail end of a thread and commenting without reading the entire thread.  My definition of a serious woman is at the beginning of this tread.

I feel bad for you guys that can't use their brain to get an opinion.  Fairy said he didn't agre with me and hen turned around and said she needed facts, not sure where his brain is.

Sorry to take up your time with my opinion but if you really think about it and use your brain, I think you would agree with me.

Enot.. you are being picked on, teased and called out for BS because your blanket statement is stupid.  Sorry to be so blunt, but, your assumptions about "odds" are flawed.  The ONLY advantage in the countries you mentioned is economic, and possibly a slightly lesser amount of contact with western men. 

A few weeks ago I found a nice young lady from Minsk.  We chatted for several hours on skype.  She was intent on getting into the work travel program and wanted advice, but, what she really wanted was someone who would pay her fees and be her "landing strip" when she got to the USA.  When it became obvious I would not provide her with the material help she sought, not because she wasn't nice, but because I don't know her from Santa, she ended to the correspondence.  No loss to me.  But, my point in mentioning the interaction is to demonstrate to you that it makes absolutely no difference where the lady comes from.  There are good and bad everywhere and quite frankly the overwhelming majority of ladies in any of those countries ARE NOT seeking a foreign marriage.  As soon as men understand that MOST LADIES DON'T WANT TO LEAVE HOME the better chances WM have at finding success.  Find a lady that doesn't want to leave home but falls in love with you and agrees to do it and then you have a gem that will stay by your side, unless you happen to be a real jackass.