Over $1000 spent on Anastasia with nothing to show for it.

[Ravens9273]

I had a friend who insised on using Anastasia to meet Women.
My friend is 34 years old. Good looking guy and in good shape. He has a good job and makes very good 6 figure salary(radio DJ to #1 Radio station in Baltimore area) He also does many other things. Has nice home BMW's etc..
He is also a gentlemen and I always thought it anyone could pull one of these hotties it was him.
He was mainly focusing on Women between 26 to 35 years of age but there was one girl 23 he did write as well.

he was always interested in meeting European Women. He has traveled all over Europe and decided to give it a shot after I married a UA Woman.

Well he decided to use Anastasia. I did tell him to take caution and to check on it before doing so.

In total he spent over $1400 with Anastasia.
There were three ladies he was mainly writting to. None were out of his league. All wrote letters of how great they thought he was. How great it would be to meet one day etc... You know what I mean here.

He finally decided to take a trip to Ukraine and was making all plans to do so. He wrote to the three ladies that he would be coming and if they wanted to meet in person (which all had mentioned many times they wanted to do). Two ladies never replied to his letter and he never heard from them again. The 23 year old kept writting and said it would be great to meet (she is from Odessa).
When he set the date of his arrival he was told she would be out of town in Kiev for work. However the whole time they wrote she never had job and was only a student. Even letter before she would be out of town still indicated she did not have a job. Now the best part was her out of town job just so happen to be for the same days he would be in Ukraine to visit. The day he would return home is also the same day she would return home.
He did write saying he could meet her in Kiev when she had free time. Well every excuse was given as well to make sure that did not happen. After that he never received another letter from her and she was then gone from the site.

I will admit I did think caution was needed using this company. However I also believed many who used it were writting to ladies well out of their league. I took many complaints to be bitterness for rejection. Yet seeing what happened to my friend and to hear the money he spent I now have a better realization as to what many others have gone through using services of Anastasia.

[BillyB]

I will admit I did think caution was needed using this company. However I also believed many who used it were writting to ladies well out of their league. I took many complaints to be bitterness for rejection. Yet seeing what happened to my friend and to hear the money he spent I now have a better realization as to what many others have gone through using services of Anastasia.

Sometimes I think guys come here and possibly bitter they didn't get results from an agency when in fact they could be turning off the ladies but based the story they tell they have valid points about the agency they are complaining about. Your friend wrote to 3 girls on a regular basis. They expressed interest in him and kept his attention. He genuinely believed these women were interested in him. When it's time for him to visit, they disappear. Send your friend here to ask some questions. We'll save him money and improve his chances on finding a real and sincere woman.

[Jumper]

This is  years ago,,
but they had my (ex)wife in thier catalog
3 to 4 years after we were married..
 i'm quite sure someone was answering letters to her though


Ravens,, i find it odd,
 that your friend din't use your own website?
your advising him not to use anastasia..
but he ignores your advice and his friends honest reputable  site?
and blows $1000 ...

That's a flight?  This is one instance,
that he he certainly could have just flown over to any local agency and could have sorted thru any pro daters to meet some sincere women fairly easily..  and just seen what happend.
and followed up if anyone was interesting..
 i know its not the big advise here,,
but he wasted his time,(not the money)


 It's also odd that a popular ,well paid ,handsome DJ,, isn't surrounded by *hotties* in Baltimore, both american and european ones.. 

[mies]

It's also odd that a popular ,well paid ,handsome DJ,, isn't surrounded by *hotties* in Baltimore, both american and european ones.. 

i second this opinion

 ???

[Ravens9273]

 It's also odd that a popular ,well paid ,handsome DJ,, isn't surrounded by *hotties* in Baltimore, both american and european ones..  

AJ
That comment is a big insult to everyone here including yourself and even me.
Your comment references that only unattractive Men with bad jobs and cannot meet Women because of it would look for women in the FSU. By your comment a decent good looking man who has a good job and hotties surrounding them in the USA would never be looking for a foreign wife.

My friend does not have any problem what so ever meeting Women. Has it ever occurred to you maybe he is not interested in the Women he is meeting? What kind of Women do you think a DJ would meet? His job is not in front of people. It is hidden in a booth. When his job has him out in the public it is usually at a night club or other event where there is only young party girls who are usually drunk. He is at the age he wants to settle down and have a family. Somehow he does not find a girl who hangs all over him and willing to sleep with him the moment they meet because he is a local DJ as wife material. He wants a sophisticated career minded and family orientated lady. The type of lady he wants does not throw themselves at radio DJ's and this is one reason he wants them.
However he does have a taste for European Women. Now granted yes there are European Women everywhere but however there is not a direct hangout spot for them. I guess he did not find the idea going up to every lady in a bar (or every lady he sees for that fact) and asking them first if they were European or not appealing.

[mies]

That comment is ...

i don't think the comment came as offense to your friend or anybody on this board. How many people here are working as DJs on radio? Even spending all day hidden in the booth - still i'm sure he iss exposed to all sort of social gatherings - and not necessarily all of these events have teenage drunk girls there.

from your description - all that this guy needs - to meet a woman, approximately 30-35yo, not drunk, has work and career aspirations, wants to marry and have children, should tell him she is European by origin, and most importantly - will not have sex with this guy for at least the first 3-4 months of their dating? 

[Ravens9273]

i don't think the comment came as offense to your friend or anybody on this board. How many people here are working as DJs on radio? Even spending all day hidden in the booth - still i'm sure he iss exposed to all sort of social gatherings - and not necessarily all of these events have teenage drunk girls there.

from your description - all that this guy needs - to meet a woman, approximately 30-35yo, not drunk, has work and career aspirations, wants to marry and have children, should tell him she is European by origin, and most importantly - will not have sex with this guy for at least the first 3-4 months of their dating? 

Mies
your comment is not even worth responding to.
It is nothing short of nonsense with no value so you could get a kick out of writting it.

[Jumper]

AJ
That comment is a big insult to everyone here including yourself and even me.
Your comment references that only unattractive Men with bad jobs and cannot meet Women because of it would look for women in the FSU. By your comment a decent good looking man who has a good job and hotties surrounding them in the USA would never be looking for a foreign wife.

ok? lol   take it however you want.....?

That is a straw man tactic,  i never actually stated  that.
and you build up an exaggeration of my view, to tear it down.

to extrapulate what i said into :  only unattractive  men, or   that decent looking men would "never"  , look elsewhere,
 is  a huge stretch ! and you know it.

Nowhere did a state that a decent guy ,with a good job,wouldn't  look to the FSU.

The inference was simply that the higher status position you are ,, the more opportunity you have..
and the less likely hood you'd take the stranger and higher risk path..but  yes you *might * still take it?

hey if tiger woods divorces,,and takes this path, i'll find it "odd"  ok? is that still insulting?

i doubt I need to remind you of the general pecking order of life?
general attractiveness ,health, wealth,, status/popularity,, power! or perception of it..
all attract more women of most every social strata to any man.period.
a man with all those qualities, be it actor, rock star,politician, baseball player,
or to a lesser extent a 6 figure popular radio  DJ..
will have more  opportunities,, with women from every walk of life ,than men missing any one, or all of those things.

He is in a better position to meet women in all walks of life,,
than your  quoted  **decent good looking man who has a good job**
(which would not have *hooties all over him*,but would have better oppurtnities than some other men,)

debate it all you want.
but if  he is struggling, with his age,looks, status..popularity,, and position than most average men,,
in meeting some quality women , i find it  odd.

and that's ALL i stated.
that it was ODD
you stretching my statement into an insult to anyone with less position /status than your friend..
is odd as well, i freely admit i' m not in the  position  your friend is.
if i was, i would be less likely to look in the FSU , but "might",

that's honesty. and self awareness, not an attempt at an insult!!!

if i was  Tom Brady ,or Brad Pitt,  i would quite likely *never * look in the FSU.
if anyone takes offense, at the concept,
they need to look closer in the mirror, or deeper inside themselves for the real reasons they went, or are looking.
,odds are it had,or has,  a lot to do with opportunity to meet quality women ,
 more effieciently in another culture, than locally  (at least in perception)

obviously that's was your friends perception as well?  fair enough!!!!
but it doesnt change the scenario that he is already positioned  better than most men.
and has an experienced friend to guide him.....!!!!!
 
 Despite your sarcasm about walking up in a bar to ask if they are european..
(i can fairly easily tell? or quickly anyway..is he tone deaf as a DJ? or can't tell in carraige and mannerisms?  )

it's *odd*
He dint use your site,
 or mamba.ru to try at least initially to meet  local /baltimore eastern europeans.
and wasted a grand on writing to women on a well known scam agency.

you avoided that question.


I understand why he *might* go..we all do.
as simply a way of broadening his "opportunities"
many of us have,and have for varied reasons,.,

If i was brutally honest, and looking at this from a average persons point of view..
 I  would classify my own path as "odd", and more to do with a perception, than a reality..
Most people view all of us particpating in this endeavor that way..
I don't feel offended..  Ive long ago come to grips with "why" i'm  interested.

If i was higher on the scale of status, popularity,age ,looks and wealth ..
and yet still was  taking this path I would be viewed as even more odd by people in general.
 your DJ buddy better get used to that?
instead of being annoyed or insulted at anyone for pointing out what the general public  thinks.
 They  find my path odd, and yours,  his they would find a great deal more so..
There's a reason for that. Their perception of his opportunities vs others.

His opportunities to meet sophistcated career minded ,yet family oriented :rollseyes": women ,
are limited by only running into girls that jump his bones immediately because he is a popular DJ?
it's possible,  but most would agree like mies, that it's odd.

I can somewhat understand the lifestyle/work/club scene ,,not helping.
you did make him out to be almost the ultimate catch..
 and wrote that he also does many other things!
Seemed to be pointing out his interaction with women in many situations  isn't limited.

if you added "gazallionare" it would be the only thing missing,and save me from being insulting..
as then it would indeed be *odd* for him to write girls from anastasia.web

[Ravens9273]

AJ

The reason my friend chose this route only he knows and to be quite honest is no one elses business.
As a person who also spent a part of their lives working in the music industry I complete understand where he is coming from.
Same reason it is no one elses business why you started or I started.

This thread was about what happened on Anastasia. He chose to use Anastasia. While you said I avoided the question concerning my own site, well it is irrelevant now isn't it?

How do you know he did not use it?
I never said he did not nor did I ever say he did. The topic of this thread is what happened to him on Anastasia. Not my website.
Then you make remark to mamba.ru
Do you not realize that maybe the rest of the world does not know about mamba.ru?
I will admit even I do not.

I started this thread to get advice from others on what to share with him. Why? because I am not an expert and never claimed to be. In fact I made comments many times in the past that I did not go into this process like everyone else.
I did not take tours. Multiple trips. Multiple websites, WMVM etc etc etc....
I simply met a girl from Ukraine. Got to know her and married her.

I am not a Man who woke up one day and said "Hey I will find a Russian Wife".
I am one of the Men it just happened too.
My first visit here was to get information on how to marry and to ask questions on the legal matters of marrying someone from another country.
I did not study every agency and website out there before I decided on this.

Now with that information it makes sense that I would come here and ask others for advice on how my friend could proceed and avoid disasters like he just ran into.
The only experience I have is the marriage part and bringing my wife to the USA.

BillyB came and gave a decent response and I want to thank him.

However this discussion has turned a complete 180 degrees.


If you have real information to add that would help him then feel free. If not or you do not wish to help him then there is no need to reply. Comments to it being odd for his choices have nothing to do with the discussion. It is his choice and one he has every right to make. Just like every one else here. because he is a radio DJ does not mean he has to explain his choices.

But as you stated AJ. With the advantages he has over most Men in meeting Women. Look what happened to him on Anastasia. That is what this thread was all about to begin with.
Now if you do not mind. I would like to keep it that way.

[mies]

Mies
your comment is not even worth responding to.
It is nothing short of nonsense with no value so you could get a kick out of writting it.

are you getting personal intentionally or it's your habit of insulting people?

[Sculpto]

Raven.. dont get all butt hurt dude..

tell your friend to try vkontakte which is like russian facebook and to make friends and not look for a wife.  Then he might get lucky.  Going forward.. agencies are for suckers. 

[Gylden]

2012,
I agree agencies IMO are maybe just increasing the chance for disappointment.

[Jooky]

Let's face it, agencies are almost obsolete. Any normal serious woman in Russia can just log on to a computer and meet men from all over the world if she wants to.

Ravens, I agree with what others say, tell your friend to check out mamba if he really wants to meet a normal Russian woman. If he's that great of a catch, I don't know why he can't find a woman back home, but yup, none of my business, and everyone's situation is different.

I do have to say you or his comments about wanting a "European" woman are total bs though. Why doesn't he look in Spain or Germany or France then? I have my answer... those countries are all different, as is Russia, and the US has plenty of "European" influence. Where the heck do you think we all came from? But, in Russia you can land a youger and prettier girl than back home... blah blah blah.

And for AJ, I agree with what you say, but I've always wondered about you too! Why did you look towards the FSU? From what I know you're a cool, good looking dude and a bike racer... very much in the position to attract many American women. So why did you look abroad?

[SMS60]

Its the frame of mind or attitude

Sounds as if the guy can "buy" what he wants or needs.

He is taking the same attitude with women. Throw the money out there and someone will make it happen.

[Jumper]

ravens-

If you have real information to add that would help him then feel free.

 Admittedly, it wasnt delivered well, but I did already give the advise to try  mamba.ru to meet local RW ,
or RW's in the FSU, or all over the globe,
that's the best advice i have..   most here would second it.

I did not realize you weren't aware of that site.. ( i dint use it to meet my wife either,it dint exist back then)
I just figured you had read it here before , especially considering you run a related website.

I'm sorry my delivery ruffled  feathers,

 as far as the "off topic" ,.most threads drift..
its the nature of forums?

STRICKLY on topic:
 anastasiaweb is really bad..as in really really bad.
One of the worst ways, or means, to contact RW.
 
Ok the thread shouldn't continue past there, as a huge percentage of posters woud just repaet that
same  sentence.
If you want to pik nitZ..
Initially you did not ask for advise ,or any feedback whatsoever, for your friend ,
,just stated his background and bad experince with anastasia,
and how now you understood better, what others have said about anastasiaweb for years..
basically posted you had confirmation ,of your previous misgivings..
The only  *on topic* correct reply is really "thanks for sharing".

so it drifted..

Jooky finds my choices odd, ( i don't blame him) and he has every right to express his opinion about them?
i respect it,,and agree with it!!!!!!!!:lol: if i din't agree,
i'd still respect his right to post he thinks my choice  "odd" , or wasting my time in this venture..(if that was his opinion)

 with the info provided , i found your friends choice's odd.. nothing more, nothing less.
He certainly has every right to follow his own path..
i think most choose this path over a "perception " that it is an easier way to meet availible women they are interested in,
a numbers game? if they email a bunch of single AW in thier city,,and the same number of RW in a similar FSU city,
they will generally get more responces from the FSU?
so often the *perception* is that it is easier despite the drawbacks , and perhaps a bit exotic as well..
and it may indeed be easier  "meet" .. .so the outlook has merit at least initially...
 
anyway if your friend  travels this path,
i'd advise he skip most agencies..
use your  website,,since he knows the owner,
and
mamba.ru..
freepersonals.ru ?
and the facebook type website that 2012 suggested..

The alternative to that would be to educate himself,, on what in country introduction /dating agencies seem honest... and how to avoid common dating scams,, (by doing a bit of reading and research,afterall he wasted 7 months already )
and to simply fly in ,and use an agency to meet!!
write none ,visit some.
(not a great plan,but beats what he did previously,and he might meet someone interesting..)


Jooky!
  police will get me..
but as a small explanation:   like ravens,  i never *set out* to marry a RW....
I've lived off and on in europe ..for years at a time.
perhaps ironically my G/F before i met my (ex)wife was an american i met in Greece!!
 when i met  Tanya,  i was working as a team manager based out of Prague, lots of local RW,,
but I did indeed travel to see her in Dnepro..and she had listed with a small local agency there..
so some similarities ,and some differences, to the general scenario of the forum.

and now?  who knows? if i pursue it again,which i might.. then absolutely yes! i would rate that as odd!
as there are  both AW and RW locally to date.
opps! i guess i just offended myself  

[kievstar]

I never had any issues with Anastia.  Any women I wanted to meet in that agency I met in person.  Now if you writing letters to an agency you know your not writing to the girl. 

Being a DJ is that considered a good job for a man to a RW?  I would think many would not think that was a serious man so ran it by my wife's friends in the USA who married AM.  They agreed with me.  Felt he probably is a playboy with the BMW and non educated job. Also chasing a 23 year old who had other options and chose a man she liked better.  Your friend was never a choice for a hot young looking woman with many options.   He needs to look in the mirror and date more in his league.  I think he will struggle with the serious highly educated women in Ukraine.  Should find someone over 26 who is more into the fitness business and not advanced degrees.  A six figure salary is nothing in Ukraine to young hot women.  7 figure is needed if going to impress with money. Talking about what he had in letters probably pissed the woman off as well. 

Do not blame Anastia on this.  This is a man dating out of his league.

[Jumper]

I never had any issues with Anastia.  Any women I wanted to meet in that agency I met in person.  Now if you writing letters to an agency you know your not writing to the girl. 

Being a DJ is that considered a good job for a man to a RW?  I would think many would not think that was a serious man so ran it by my wife's friends in the USA who married AM.  They agreed with me.  Felt he probably is a playboy with the BMW and non educated job. Also chasing a 23 year old who had other options and chose a man she liked better.  Your friend was never a choice for a hot young looking woman with many options.   He needs to look in the mirror and date more in his league.  I think he will struggle with the serious highly educated women in Ukraine.  Should find someone over 26 who is more into the fitness business and not advanced degrees.  A six figure salary is nothing in Ukraine to young hot women.  7 figure is needed if going to impress with money. Talking about what he had in letters probably pissed the woman off as well. 

Do not blame Anastia on this.  This is a man dating out of his league.

interesting perspective,
and i know you live there and have experience.

A DJ position *might* not be viewed by RW as fantastic,,or the playboy slant might be there,,
but thats the mans job to get past the preconceived notion,,and i'm sure he could?

 seriously..

you have no idea who the guy wrote? or what he wrote in his letters.??
.neither do I..

Not all, but plenty of what most would consider "hot" 23 year old women would seriously date this guy,
both in the US and in Ukraine,to post otherwise is nonsense.
Posting that *only* a seven figure salaried guy is of interest to a hot 23 year old....
(Some handsome 34 yo guy making 500,000 or even 800,000 is just way out of his league with a 23 yo hottie from any country right? i mean she actually graduated college..and has a nice popka,,right,?, he better be bill gates..       )

 you contend he isnt of interest  to hot young girls because  he *might* be  a playboy right?
 umm if it was true ,who is he a playboy with then?? babushkas?  or hot young women?   

for you to defend anastsia web,,
by stating its simply the guy looking out of his league , is equally absurd.
the agency is full of false profile and ghost profiles,,
always has been.. for  a decade!
i mentioned my wife never signed up with them,they had her profile up for years,and in their catalog,,
 long after repeated requests to remove it..and long after she had been married and in the USA for years..
How would a guy writing her,,ever meet her?  when his letters are sanswere dby staff,,and the person
he thinks he is corresponding with,,isnt even in the FSU, isn tsingle,,and has no idea he exists?
 

you've met any woman from there you wanted to?
That's incredibly amazing..luck!!

considering  the high percentage  addresses from anastasia agency,
 the person in the profile doesn't live in the flat ,and   in fact NEVER did so.
 That's real experience ,in country ,,
Anastasia web could not be a bigger waste of time for most men..
wether dating well within their "league",  or not.

its business model is to fleece keyboard romeo's ,and it has worked well for them for  a long time.

some women are *real* no doubt..
i did meet two of their banner ad girls ..years ago.

 but there are plenty of faces on that website that are not looking for a foriegn man,,
and may not have any idea they are listed,,or answering letters!
at one point in time i could have shown you  8 out  of 10, ghost profiles ,in a random sampling, i did it for fun,.,and
was in country..  if they have cleaned up their act,,it wouldn't make any sense as it would cut into profit.


Ravens friend used one of the worst agencies..
to somehow defend them,,or state he was looking out of his league is misleading.
because  the odds are incredibly great that he simply wasn't communicating with the women shown in the profile.

Most readers here know that,,and new guys need to recognize that as well..
Not hear that you met some RW thru Anastasia agencies, (so did i )?
 it's an incredbily poor choice of where to start out,for any man.
 and you of all people,should  know it.

[UTRO]

Anyone here have any Success using Anastasia??

Personally, any man who uses it as their method of meeting a RW is only wasting their money

[RussianWind]

I have a hot friend for your friend who is interested in a young American (if he is as good as you describe him  )

[Misha]

A six figure salary is nothing in Ukraine to young hot women. ... This is a man dating out of his league.

So, you are contending that a decent young man earning in the six figures will not be of interest to "young hot women"? Sorry, I don't buy it.

[falcon]

Let's face it, agencies are almost obsolete. Any normal serious woman in Russia can just log on to a computer and meet men from all over the world if she wants to.

Ravens, I agree with what others say, tell your friend to check out mamba if he really wants to meet a normal Russian woman. If he's that great of a catch, I don't know why he can't find a woman back home, but yup, none of my business, and everyone's situation is different.

I do have to say you or his comments about wanting a "European" woman are total bs though. Why doesn't he look in Spain or Germany or France then? I have my answer... those countries are all different, as is Russia, and the US has plenty of "European" influence. Where the heck do you think we all came from? But, in Russia you can land a youger and prettier girl than back home... blah blah blah.

And for AJ, I agree with what you say, but I've always wondered about you too! Why did you look towards the FSU? From what I know you're a cool, good looking dude and a bike racer... very much in the position to attract many American women. So why did you look abroad?

www.noMarriage.com
Enough said...

By the way, I do have a pdf copy of the book by Jon Hertzog mentioned there...