SCAMMER GIRL FROM UKRAINE

[josephdalei]

I've been talking to this girl 2 years ago
she told me that nothing serious until she see me in person
but if we had a relationship and she asked me to please go and see her to formalize the relationship

when I went to see her now on December 1 it does not look like the photo at best had much makeup or are finished photos
That was the first thing that happened
hen take me to expensive restaurants with her translator I buy jewelry, clothing and cravings for both
when we reached the hotel  When I got into the shower came out and both had disappeared with my belongings
I followed them and mounted in a black car I was left without money.

she seemed sincere in his letters in two years
His name is anna from metripol then I found this on several websites
and I write here because she said that I was not the only one to whom she was knowing from United States

[Simoni]

Joseph-- I am sorry for your troubles.

Had you read the Ten Commandments here at RWD, you would have saved a lot of time and money.

Guys in hunt who are reading this, ask yourself...

~Why is a beautiful girl like the one on the pic writing an American for two years she does not know?  You really think she can't get a date in Ukraine?

~Why would a guy buy a girl he just met expensive jewelry and clothing?

~Why would an intelligent guy write a girl for two years before flying to meet her?  Would a "real" girl really wait two years for this keyboard Romeo?

[josephdalei]

ok your first questioin

1. Why is a beautiful girl like the one on the pic writing an American for two years she does not know?  You really think she can't get a date in Ukraine?

   - she is on a website in a agency for these girls and mens like us can get a wife or husband

2. Why would a guy buy a girl he just met expensive jewelry and clothing?

   - we were aware of letters that I was already supposed to know in person and start the paperwork to bring her and get married

3. Why would an intelligent guy write a girl for two years before flying to meet her?  Would a "real" girl really wait two years for this keyboard Romeo?

    - She tell me that in the agency first we have to exchange letters and when she was ready then I'd know her to their country



I took two years to go visit because I was collecting the money

[BillyB]

when I went to see her now on December 1 it does not look like the photo at best had much makeup or are finished photos

You had plenty of times to walk but I suspect you didn't have a backup plan. When a woman misrepresents how she looks, don't waste too much time with her. You should have asked for normal photos of her before visiting.

You did business with Hot Russian Brides/Russian Love Match. They photoshop the photos making their ladies look much better than they actually are. Many men have complained about their business practices.

One question. After she didn't look like who you thought and after you bought her and her personal translator what they wanted at an expensive restaurant, the jewelry store, and clothing, why did you take them to your apartment and let them out of your sight? Were they giving you the impression you got them horny? Did they ask you to take a shower before making love? That is standard procedure. When you went to the local Hot Russian Brides agency, what did they say about your robbery from one of their ladies?

[mies]

I've been talking to this girl 2 years ago

i am really sorry for your negative experience and lost money. Please understand that this is not the nature of Ukrainian women - you fallen a prey to ukrainian criminals. I guess you can consider yourself lucky that you only lost money and some belongings, and nothing bad happened to you or your health. 

[josephdalei]

I take a shower because I wanted

after the agency told me they are not responsible for anything spoken or THROUGH coordinates communication with the girls

[Admin]

I've been talking to this girl 2 years ago
she told me that nothing serious until she see me in person
but if we had a relationship and she asked me to please go and see her to formalize the relationship

when I went to see her now on December 1 it does not look like the photo at best had much makeup or are finished photos
That was the first thing that happened
hen take me to expensive restaurants with her translator I buy jewelry, clothing and cravings for both
when we reached the hotel  When I got into the shower came out and both had disappeared with my belongings
I followed them and mounted in a black car I was left without money.

she seemed sincere in his letters in two years
His name is anna from metripol then I found this on several websites
and I write here because she said that I was not the only one to whom she was knowing from United States

Joseph,

You wrote:

>>she said that I was not the only one to whom she was knowing from United States<<

In reading your message, I could not help but notice that your English does not seem like it is your first/primary language. Are YOU from the United States?

- Dan

[BillyB]

I take a shower because I wanted

Bad move to let them out of your sight since they were wanting you to open your wallet. The good news is that some RW at this forum will think you're a wonderful man to be so willing to share your wealth in a first meeting. You now know the truth. It's foolish to do that.

What is your nationality? Besides the lady you're visiting, you don't seem to have a good grasp of the English language yourself. lol. Admin beat me to the question by 2 seconds.

[josephdalei]

I live in the USA but I'm from brazil
I do not enter to corrected the language
I enter to seek advice and fins on it

[SANDRO43]

I enter to seek advice and fins on it

What sort of advice do you seek NOW ? You should have sought that at least a YEAR ago, if not earlier . Now we can only express some sympathy for your not-unexpected misadventure, you have been conned hook, line and sinker .

[BillyB]

Joseph,
  Do some reading here and you will be better prepared if you choose to find another woman in the FSU. It doesn't matter what country you're from, if you find a woman, you still have to use your big head to figure her out. Just in case you're not familiar with "big head", the big head is on your shoulders and the little head is in your pants. The little head goes to work only after the big head has competed it's job.

[josephdalei]

someone of you guys can send me several options of agency websites?
my emails is josephdalei@hotmail.com

[Handycam72]

Hi there Joseph

First may I say you have had very bad experience and my sympathies go to you.

As for the girl in question there is very little you can do about it, learn from it is my only tip.

There are a couple of things you mention that cause concern. You say
 
I took two years to go visit because I was collecting the money
International relationships are very expensive, there are many members on here who will tell you how expensive it can get, not just emotionally, but more so in the financial stakes. If money is in short supply to begin with then this is venture you might want to reconsider.

2. Why would a guy buy a girl he just met expensive jewelry and clothing?

   - we were aware of letters that I was already supposed to know in person and start the paperwork to bring her and get married
Now from this statement, it looks as though you were looking at proposing marriage on your first meeting. You need to ask yourself would you ask a girl you met back home, on a first date, to marry you?

There are a number of threads on here which are a very good read, especially regarding agencies.

This thread by 2012isFiction, this member comes across as someone who knows the agency business inside out and could tell you alot.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=10844.0

Also another good thread although this one, it is very long but does have some very good points.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8794.0

This is my own story, you will see a very interesting debate which looks at the Pro-dating and dating scams and shows many different views and opinions and what to look out for.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=10490.0

Also have a read of the 10 Commandments, it is on the top left of the screen under Main Menu.

As for sites to recommend, http://www.mamba.ru/  and elenasmodels to name just 2.

Big Tip it is not a good idea to put your private email address on a public forum, you will start to get alot of spam if your not careful. People can send you a Private Message (PM) through this site.

[wiz]

Russian women are not for everybody

I know this comment was made many times by many people and I just re-emphasise here, theirs and my view.

I thought I was pretty experienced with women until I started this RW thing. It’s like starting all over again learning new rules and you must have a lot of patience. In my case I had/have all that and much more and determination to succeed.

Nothing you've ever done will adequately prepare you for dating Russian women. Most men come home after their first trip and almost all comment on the bluntness of the Russians. Their abruptness is sometimes startling. I believe some of that bluntness is due to them being speakers of a second language, even those girls who work as translators. Russian women just don't have a salesman’s vocabulary. Since they are not fluent in English language and don’t have the gift of the gob, they are able to just tell it ….. like is.
Manny of us are not accustomed to women being that honest and upfront with us.

If a man who has little experience with women goes to the FSU he will very likely be fooled by Russian politeness! If the woman is slouching in her seat, not making direct eye contact, not smiling or laughing at your silly jokes, not walking close by your side with her arm linked with yours, then you should make some excuse and move on.

No matter how beautiful she is, she just isn't all that interested in going to the next level and you'd be wasting your time and money, to continue tying to force the issue.

My last Russian experience smiled a lot, laughed a lot, was not afraid to kiss me in public areas and walk close to me with her arm around mine and that is what made me to pursuit her and she is now my wife. She is very attractive, well educated, has great strengths in her character, knowledge and is stubborn like most of them.

Remember that most RW will never accept they have made a mistake and say sorry and will always transfer responsibility for their mistakes to you. This trait in their character has been inherited from the old system and instilled in them never to accept guild for anything..... but luckily my then girlfriend, now my wife, was/is not like that and does say sorry when she makes a mistake!

In looking to find a woman in the FSU to share your life you must remember that the road is strewn with big problems (cultural and language differences). I was prepared to go through all that because I recognized early that the big risks will bring hopefully a huge happy reward and like many other people who made the same trip, finally I feel I was right.

I will never claim that I know everything about relationships and women but I have had some experiences in life and I can only blame my self for a lot of things and mistakes that I have made in the past!

I should have trusted my instinct more and listen to the advice of other people (some of them are still posting here), had the courage to bail when that instinct told me it was time to exit stage. What grief I could have saved! I don't think it can be stated enough that if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't and you shouldn't spend any time, whatsoever, trying to figure out the what, why or how of the situation and how to make it work and hope to find happiness.

Don't fall in love with a photo. Don't allow your self to fall in love, when you meet her and start making excuses for a Russian Woman's poor and unreasonable behaviour by rationalizing to yourself (or with other guys) that such behaviour occurred because of "different culture" or "different background" or "maybe there was a language issue."

Those who have made this venture into the wilds of an unknown such as international courtship have all been there, done that, got the T-shirt. I was advised, many times, but didn’t listen, from people on this board, who have been trough this endeavour that the best course of action is to just move on.

If finding the right woman for you, in the FSU countries, is difficult then the real long road till she comes home to live with you, starts when you have to get to know each other and create a good relationship. It has been emphasized by many people how important is to have as long as you can face time to get to know each other. I would never have gone the route of the one week wonder and hope that everything will be OK later. It was always part of my plan living with my new woman for sometime in her own environment and that is exactly what we did.

Of course there are many considerations to be taken into account, like work, home, family and costs. Not everybody can up sticks and go and stay in Russia for long period at a time but in my case that was not a problem. I have been retired for sometime so time was not something I had to worry about but financial and domestic considerations of my woman were problems which had to be planned correctly. As it happens the whole family (of my then girlfriend) were very supportive of both of us and made every effort, including babushka, so we could live in her apartment as free as possible on our own without much interference.

One thing I have to say for sure, life was not going to be the same for both of us, after getting married in June 2008 and living in England together definitely was going to be more interesting and testing then it is over there. In England we have more opportunities for outings, visiting interesting places, more things to do together and of course travelling abroad to new places will enhance our life much more than it's possible in Russia today.

At the end I have to say, if it feels good it’s probably good!

I will strongly advice anybody starting this adventure not to underestimate the huge emotional and physical effort required, time scale and of course the logistics of the financial costs are very high!

If you can’t afford it….. stay home!

To our friend here I will say.... put it down to experience and follow the advice of the people on this board!
Good luck!


PS: This is a cut down version of something that I wrote over two + years ago and I hope it will be helpful to our friend here and maybe others!

[Misha]

Guys in hunt who are reading this, ask yourself...

~Why is a beautiful girl like the one on the pic writing an American for two years she does not know?  You really think she can't get a date in Ukraine?

Or even a date with a foreigner if she is using a legitimate site or agency. I was actually quite surprised to find out that a friend from Russia who put an ad on EM has already found someone and he is planning on visiting her this January   If he does go, it will have taken her less than three months from posting her profile to first visit from suitor. If she managed to do it, there is no way that a woman as pictured above would have stayed single for two years.

~Why would a guy buy a girl he just met expensive jewelry and clothing?

I don't get this either.

[BillyB]

Joseph,

  What all did these ladies steal from you. Clothes, camera, wallet? You did say you were left without money. I hope you didn't take your pants off anywhere but in the bathroom where you took a shower in.

How did you eat and survive the rest of your vacation when you didn't have any money? Did you just sit in the apartment? What about your passport?

Did the ladies help get you the apartment or did you use the agency or an indepedent company?

Although you were naive, nobody should be robbed because they lacked wisdom. What they did to you was wrong. You should Google "russian women anti scam" and report these ladies.

Did Hotrussianbrides take down the lady's profile after you reported her? You must have spent a lot of money communicating with the woman through that agency for two years. With their policies, you are forced to have them as a middle man and it's difficult to get on the phone with them alone.

By your estimate, how much did this cost you? Cost of using the agency for two years, airfare, apartment rental, shopping sprees, dinner, and robbery.

Before rushing to finding another RW, do lots of reading here. We could save you thousands of dollars.

[JR]

You came here for advice so here is mine: Don't EVER think that a beautiful (maybe ugly too) woman will seriously talk/plan on marrying you without even meeting...

[josephdalei]

She's Anna from Metripol
that was she said

[Gylden]

Joseph,
My advice to you is to try and forget that there is a FSU, at least for the time being.
As you are living in the US, learn English a little better, it will help you a lot!!

From what you have written here, you remind me of a Brazilian young man who worked for me some years ago. I really enjoyed working with him, he was funny and charming and full of energy, which is how I am imagining you are. In my imagination you love to socialise and love beautiful women, you are very generous and you want to treat the woman in your life as a queen (most women will love this). You are very emotional, romantic in your pursuit of women. All of this is wonderful in some ways, but can be a problem in other ways.
If and when you try again IMO;
1. You must stick to women you can communicate with (without a translator)
2. You must realise that there ARE women that will try to scam you if you let them.
3. Because of the passionate way you interact with women, you are an easier target to be scammed (and those types will see this).
4. Try your best to cool down (I know this can be difficult)
5. Read as much as you can on forums such as this one (there is much experience here from many men and women).

Good luck my friend!
Oh by the way, your name isn't Flavio is it? 
Ciao

[Daveman]

Wow, what a drag of a story.  Of course the postmortem advice doesn't mitigate the strong emotional tides you are experiencing at the moment, but you *can* help others avoid the similar situations.

Thanks for sharing your story. I am interested in your answers to hose questions posed above. How much in total do you estimate this two year fiasco cost you?  Did you not get a feeling at different times that "something is wrong here... something doesn't make sense" ?? 

Romantic dreams, while probably necessary for finding a real partner, can be a killer in this venture if you allow your dreams to override common sense.

Sorry to hear about this and wish you best of luck moving forward.  There are many sharks in these waters along with the dorkfish who feed them. 

[josephdalei]

she seemed sincere in his letters in two years

[zorronocturno]

Hi Joseph  and all  members in forum

 I really understand you situation is verry  bad one but  I dont know what you going to  feel about that. the girl that make you that  is Anna palyi have  twins girls  Alexandra and Sophia  you are not the only one  be in  contact with here for long time. here some time ago I ask about  Anna  and talk about that with Sandro  and  I dont know if Mia remeber I send all information about Anna  tyr to find more information.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8056.msg146366
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9204.0

she use withme same  story like you need  I come to Ukraine  to do all more formal but you  post save me about that.
for all person here you know what Anna is part of the one favorites sites here
http://www.dream-marriage.com/9507.html


about   she not look like   the picture you post  see my other add I ready ask about  Anna but  here is one picture more natural for Anna.
I really like to share with you more information  picture andallposible  both have  about Anna  to  warnning other persons inhte future .
may be is you ask  to Sandro  , Sandro find is a double dealer too.

[wiz]

Have you tried googling her?

Here is what I came accross on a very quick search for Anna Melitopol!

http://www.beauty-brides.com/lady/50609_1.html

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=7541

http://www.tornado-of-love.com/lady/44578.html

http://www.ukrainebrides.net/lady/45994_2.html

http://www.candy-brides.com/lady/50087_1.html

http://www.loveme.com/women/info108342.htm

http://www.tsunami-of-love.com/lady/43605_2.html

http://www.heavenlyhearts.net/single-ukrainian-girl-Anna-melitopol-AD7H1349.html

These are from only the first page on google........... so is any of them your girl?

Make up your own mind!

Now if you google her email address etc you will find some probably interesting information!

Good luck.

[zorronocturno]

I still have  lot of information to share here about  that girl call Anna because that post save me  to be the next victim. I sharea lot with that girl . I ready send gift for  the twins  she have.

Is something incredible that story but I   but sometime that happens . Joseph or any other person have more info aboutthat girl and the scam??

[BillyB]

she seemed sincere in his letters in two years

She gave you attention for two years, not sincerity. You also paid for this attention when you two exchanged letters through the agency. You need to communicate with a whole lot more women to understand what "sincere" is and you need to do business with another agency/dating site. Never ever give 2 years of your life to a woman you never met.