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[TigerPaws]

[size="4"][color="blue"]Dan,

 What we have is a failure in basic understanding of the difference between men and women, in general men think very differently than women. [/color]
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[Admin]

[size="4"][color="blue"]Dan,

What we have is a failure in basic understanding of the difference between men and women, in general men think very differently than women. [/color]
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TP,

I don't agree with you. For one, I don't think it is valid to issue blanket statements about men vs. women. For another, there are several men here who have expressed differing viewpoints than the one you hold.

I think it is a values difference - and that is OK. There ae certainly some who share the values you hold. There are others who align more with dostogirl.

There is room on the board for both.

- Dan

[TigerPaws]

[size="4"][color="blue"]Dan,

 I completly agree and it is the differences which make life interesting, without them things would become boreing very quickly.

 What I am saying is there is some very basic differences between how men think and perceive things about women and how women think and preceive things about men as will as relationships. These differences can be profound, they are both interesting and a source of conflict, that is all I am saying.[/color]  
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[docetae]

Not overweight at all (6ft6, 210lbs) and for me, staying healthy without overweight is a question of respect for the one you love and for you family. I don't want to have to say to my son one day: Dad is too fat to play with you ...

This is more a question of having an active way of life ...

Doc

[Bruno]

I don't want to have to say to my son one day: Dad is too fat to play with you ...

My little overweight have never stop me to play with Anastasia... from the children eyes, it was not really a problem since Anastasia have say to me : Papa, i like your "pouza", it is confortable :D:D

 

[dostogirl]

A good example, when my lady arrived in America she was 5' 7" 128 lbs and was a size 4.

wow..I was never size 4 in my life..oh, wait. I was...when I was 12 y.o. I'm not overweight, at least I don't consider myself overweight, though I went from size 8 (which I usually was) to size 10, but it's expected when you get older. But I'm taller (5'10"). I also met people who consider a person size 6 fat which I could never understand.

[dostogirl]

What we have is a failure in basic understanding of the difference between men and women,

I don't think so. My husband shares my point of view on weight and perception of a spouse on it. I mean, it's always good to be skinny, don't get me wrong, but if it's not possible (due to different reasons) it's not a reason to break your relationship with a person you love.

[LatinSwede]

In my area, the fat chicks seem to always have a pack of GI's chasing them down for dates.  It's like a twisted version of DeVinci's Italy. 

[Oosik]

One thing to keep in mind is that Dostogirl probably does not have the US woman's attitude that once she is married she can turn into a pig and the guy has to accept it or lose his house and kids.

I think that is what the guys here are thinking of when they talk about a woman gaining weight, not just the weight but the "FU I'm entitled to gain weight" attitude.

I suspect Dostogirl is thinking that sometimes sh*t happens, and a little more weight with age is normal, which we can all agree with.

Also, I can say from experience that when you really love a woman, you will always see her at her most beautiful, even if she is out of shape or get wrinkles. I felt that way anyway. But when you lose the love or respect for her, man, those rose colored glasses come off quick.

[TigerPaws]

[color="blue"][size="4"]Most GI's will chase ANYTHING in a skirt, so what else is new.
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[TigerPaws]

[color="blue"][size="4"]Oosk,[/size][/color]

[size="3"] "I suspect Dostogirl is thinking that sometimes sh*t happens, and a little more weight with age is normal, which we can all agree with."

[color="blue"][size="4"] I disagree (with the exception of a serious medical condition) I have had many family members whom were within 5 lbs from the time they were 17 or 18 to the day they died. It is all a matter of discipline, stop burying your head into that bucket of fried chicken and stop stuffing that tripple cheese burger into your pie hole.
 There is [color="red"]NO[/color] excuse for being FAT and overweight.[/size][/font][/color]
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[dostogirl]

I disagree

I actually watched a programm not long ago on Discovery about a general misconception that people get fat only cos they eat like pigs. There are cases when it's just genetics. Say all your family were overweight (and may be they used to eat like pigs), but you got something in your blood that wil never make you size 4, no matter how you eat or excercise. The number of people like that is not big and I do admit that most people gain weight cos they eat too much. But excessive food is not the only reason. Everyone has a different level of metabolism which depends on age, plus minor health problems come with age and one can't exercise well enough to loose gaining pounds (esp. after having kids). I'm just saying that there are exceptions, people who due to different reasons gain or will gain weight. And I think that gained weight doesn't take away their chance to love and be loved, have kids and create a family.

[TigerPaws]

[size="4"][color="blue"]dostogirl,

 Without question (with the exception of very rare medical conditions), it is simply a matter of counting calories, if you take in less than you use you will loose, end of story.
 I guarantee no matter how much you weigh if you are put onto a position where you have nothing to eat and only water to drink for a long enough time, everyone will loose weight.[/color]  

[/size][size="3"][color="blue"][size="4"]There is [color="red"]NO[/color] excuse for being FAT and overweight.[/size][/font][/color][/size]
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[Albert]

A couple of different issues here:

1.  Of course there are differences between persons regarding their 'natural' weight and body style.  It is well known there are 3 basic body types:  Ectomorph, mesomorph, and a third which I forgot name of.

If a person has a heavy body type, from their genetics, then they will not be able to remain slender.

But that is of no concern to those of us men who like slender ladies.  We will simply stay away from those women who 'naturally' have the heavier body types.  This is what is meant by  looking at her mother and her grandmother. 

If a guy marries a gal who has a natural heavy body type, then he has no basis for complaint when she porks up.  Same as guy has no basis for complaint about a skinny gal if that is her natural body type.

2. The second point concerns gals (and guys) who gain weight beyond their natural body type.  This is a valid point for complaint (for guys who like slender bodies) if a guy marries a gal with natural slender body type and she porks up.

It is a total fallacy that people are destined to pork up as they age.  The fact that most people do does not change the fallacy.  It is all a matter of calories taken in and calories burned.  Sure, most people do gain weight over the years because they become sedentary.  But this doesn't mean weight gain is inevitable.

The tendency to gain weight is also tied in with the way our body is programmed to work from thousands of years ago.  In those days, food was short, so the body was programmed to store fat during the summer months when food was more plentiful and then use this fat to sustain life during the lean months (not unlike the bear situation).

In today's world, the body will still take every chance it gets to store fat.  But, in most of the world, there is no shortage of food on a seasonal basis, so the stored fat is never burned off since people keep right on eating well over the entire year.

But this does not mean that weight gain is inevitable as a person ages.  A person simply has to be smart enough to know this will occur if they don't take care to avoid fat storage in the first place and keep calorie intake consistent with calorie burning.

It is not a matter of one set of guys being bad (those who like slender women) and another set of guys being stupid or liars (those who claim they don't care if their woman gains weight).  It is merely a matter of preference.

For me, there is nothing to even think about concerning accepting a woman's weight gain.  I like sex.  I can only get erections with slender women and cannot get erections when a woman is overweight.  Case closed, for me.

I only need and want slender women . . . . not overly slim women, not skinny women, not emaciated women.

[dostogirl]

I guarantee no matter how much you weigh if you are put onto a position where you have nothing to eat and only water to drink for a long enough time, everyone will loose weight.

Well, then it is also a matter of enjoying life. No one wants to live like in a concentracion camp, counting and weighing every piece of bread (I'm not even talking about the self-esteem part which goes down to zero with people obsessed with calories and trying to look skinny). I'd also like to enjoy my life without a fear that I can gain 10-20 pounds and my husband divorcing me

[TigerPaws]

 I guarantee no matter how much you weigh if you are put onto a position where you have nothing to eat and only water to drink for a long enough time, everyone will loose weight.

Well, then it is also a matter of enjoying life. No one wants to live like in a concentracion camp, counting and weighing every piece of bread (I'm not even talking about the self-esteem part which goes down to zero with people obsessed with calories and trying to look skinny). I'd also like to enjoy my life without a fear that I can gain 10-20 pounds and my husband divorcing me

[color="blue"][size="4"] And what has your statement to do with someone's ability to loose weight dostogirl? You are describing a choice, it is your choice to be overweight however much so, it is still a choice you are making. As to if your husband likes the extra fat that is up to him not me or anyone else to decide.[/size][/color]
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[dostogirl]

And what has your statement to do with someone's ability to loose weight dostogirl? You are describing a choice,

You can check my previous statement about one's abilty to loose weight. As for choice..damn, I'd like to have a choice, the one I pick, without men telling me how they'd like to see me

[Turboguy]

As far as some of the comments here from Albert and some of the others, one observation I have made is that I write to gals from 21 to 55.   We Amercans have a reputation of getting fat as we get older.    I have noticed that the gals in their 20's that write to me from the FSU have about a 95% chance of being thin.  The gals in their 40's and 50's seem to have about an 85% chance of being hefty or more.   It is not just us Americans. 

I think anyone can take off weight if they really want to.  I just took off 30 pounds and want to get 10 more off which will put me at the same weight I was 30 years ago.   Yes, I think if you look at the mother you will see what you are going to have in 30 years but you never know for sure.  I think if you love someone you take them as they are and as they will become.

[TigerPaws]

And what has your statement to do with someone's ability to loose weight dostogirl? You are describing a choice,

You can check my previous statement about one's abilty to loose weight. As for choice..damn, I'd like to have a choice, the one I pick, without men telling me how they'd like to see me

[color="blue"][size="4"] dostogirl, then you are telling us that you do not have a choice, that your husband would be unhappy if you did what you wanted to do and really pork up? Is that what you are saying?

 Now tell me honestly that you are not flattered when a man other than your husband notices you/ Do you thing these same men would notice you if you are FAT?
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[dostogirl]

dostogirl, then you are telling us that you do not have a choice, that your husband would be unhappy if you did what you wanted to do and really pork up? Is that what you are saying?

Now tell me honestly that you are not flattered when a man other than your husband notices you/ Do you thing these same men would notice you if you are FAT?

1. I have a choice and my husband is NOT unhappy, he never sad anything about me loosing weight, but if he starts saying that and puts preassure on me about loosing it it will cause problems with me. I'm not doing well with guys who say that I am fat and need to loose weight
2. Men other than my husband do not interest me. Though I'll be interested to talk to them and if they flatter my mental abilities, then yes, I probably will like it.
3. Oh yes, they do notice. Believe me. Appearance is not the major factor for a lot of men to notice a woman.

[dostogirl]

BTW, is she that disgusting to you, guys??

[TigerPaws]

[size="5"]YUCK!

[/size][size="5"][size="4"][color="blue"]Tub of lard if you ask me and you did.[/color][/size][/size][size="5"]
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[Bruno]

Tiger asking for divorce after that his wife have take some kg too much

:D:D:D ( joke )

 

[TigerPaws]

dostogirl, then you are telling us that you do not have a choice, that your husband would be unhappy if you did what you wanted to do and really pork up? Is that what you are saying?

 Now tell me honestly that you are not flattered when a man other than your husband notices you/ Do you thing these same men would notice you if you are FAT?

1. I have a choice and my husband is NOT unhappy, he never sad anything about me loosing weight, but if he starts saying that and puts preassure on me about loosing it it will cause problems with me. I'm not doing well with guys who say that I am fat and need to loose weight [color="red"][size="4"]Of course I do not know but if you are having trouble with this themn maybe it IS a problem you are unwilling to admit/[/size][/color]
2. Men other than my husband do not interest me. Though I'll be interested to talk to them and if they flatter my mental abilities, then yes, I probably will like it.[color="red"][size="4"]But of course you would not like it when they said you would look a lot nicer if you lost 20 lbs[/size][/color]
3. Oh yes, they do notice. Believe me. Appearance is not the major factor for a lot of men to notice a woman. [color="red"][size="5"]Sorry WRONG!
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[TigerPaws]

[size="4"][color="blue"]Bruno.

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