Getting past the Cut & Paste

[docetae]

Casanova, please do not mix business and looking for a soulmate ...   There are two differents things.

In business, there are stricts rules to follow and you can achieve success if you know to balance risk and carefulness. In love, nothing like that, except common sense.

There are no love receipt ... just advises.

[Casanova]

Good clarification, and you make my point perfectly. I am glad to read and know your experience, but as you have well stated.  Given that, in essence we do agree for the 'most' part, I stand firmly on the formerly written 2 peices of advise concerning LETTER WRITING to women in the FSU whom you've never met before (physical contact ie. met in person), which is that it's GENERALLY a waste of TIME & MONEY, both yours and there's if you are not within 4-6 weeks of meeting (arrival date) or ALREADY IN THE FSU.

    As for the rest, we can agree to disagree, but for 90% of those reading these boards, or wanting the REALITY of the experience and best approach, my advise is right on cue in that regards.  Millions of dollars each year are spent on translations of letters and to nearly faceless marriage agencies that produce very little for the money spent, in many cases, and while their are exceptions to the rule, the two rules given are for those "Starting Out" and who do not want to waste either time, nor money.

    There may not be rules in love, but there certainly are in the real world of "letter campaigns" and dating women in the FSU.  And if you don't know those 'rules', it may break you, in more ways than one.  It can be a WONDERFUL experience, but these forum discussions are to educate those starting out, and to share with the more experienced.  I also reiterate, I think it's borderline CRIMINAL to suggest a very high rate of success or that it's a 'wise' approach for men to engage in letter writing to women they have never met, and may not meet unless they are 4-6 weeks in approaching the definite arrival date ie. personal meeting with them.  Again, in terms of pure heart and soul, it's a waste to both YOU & Them.  Of course the marriage agencies wouldn't like that approach perhaps, but I am writing to the men out there who, like me, wasn't getting the information that I needed, rather just a lot of disinformation, and inaccurate perceptions. 

[Casanova]

Tigerpaws, I just reread your post, and would like to comment further.  I've met a LOT of men in Kiev while I lived there for over a year.   Your experience is RARE indeed, my friend, and I know that too from experience, again, not just my own, but from the many men I spent time with, who were OR are on this endeavor.

     So, I am suggesting what I said before.  You may have your U.S. State Department interpreter, one I dated is working for the U.N. this year in Kenya, and her father is a DIPLOMAT for Ukraine.  She grew up in South Africa, and her english is superb.  What did she tell me? (European Connections)  That the tours were a joke in most cases, a disaster, in most cases, as the women were less than sincere, or simply desperate.  She advised me to never attend the socials, because of what she saw (she worked for them).  She told me a lot of funny stories.  I care not if your interpreters are in America, or over in the FSU.  That matters not to the advise or experience, both my personal experience, and that of the many men I met, that I GIVE and SHARE here.  In fact, it was the so called "pro's" who would lie, misinterpret, and sometimes on behalf of the AGENCY.   Anyone with experience has more than likely run into this.  It doesn't always happen, but it's not a rare thing either.

So Tigerpaws, you are a pretty special case, and I am sure there are those rare exceptions, but the other 90% of us will recognize what I have said IS true

[TigerPaws]

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 There is wide agreement that much of  the information available is incorrect, lies or at best skewed towards the  agencies point of view, after all they are in business to make money. One of the  problems with seeking a lady from the FSU is that most men do not want to let  anyone else around them know what they are doing (I was in that group) because  most people including close friends and family would not understand the reasons  (sometime we do not fully understand the reasons ourselves, we are just looking  for some different). Additionally far to many men do not do enough research into  what they are getting into or at best just look on the surface, they do an  internet search on MOB spend a few minutes reading this and that then begin  drooling over a few agencies data bases. [/size][/color] [color="blue"][size="4"] [/size][/color]  [color="blue"][size="4"]

 When I finally went to my ladies  city and met her family, she show me a pillow case full of postal letters she  received from all over the world, there was hundreds of them, all but a few were  written in English (I remember 1 was in Japanese) and she spoke almost no  English. As much as half of the letters did not even have a photograph with them  and most that did were of some yahoo with his dog in his truck, not be best way  to impress someone. I am sorry to say that the vast majority of men writing a  letter or sending an e-mail to many of these ladies are idiots and morons with  little to no clue as to what they are doing. Of all of the letters my lady  received there was 2 which stood out and got her attention, mine and another  gentleman's (from Kansas is I remember), both letters were carefully translated  into Russian and both had quality professional studio photo's included. This  exact scenario was repeated by a friend of mine with the lady who would become  his wife, hundreds of letters and only a couple that stood out. [/size][/color] [color="blue"][size="4"] [/size][/color]  [color="blue"][size="4"]

 My point is that most men who  consider looking for a lady from the FSU are under capitalized (in time and  resources), they do not do enough research and dive head long into a very  difficult endeavor which is fraught with peril. As you have suggested hopping  over to the FSU and spending time in country or a short greet then meet is one  possible method if the man has sufficient time and resources but far too many do  not. I generally dissuade most men from looking to the FSU for a lady because  they do not have the necessary time more than the resources but for those  willing to go the distance the rewards are well worth the cost (in time and  resources).[/size][/color]

[Albert]

Casanova, why all this fuss and insistence about pushing your way of doing things?  There are dozens of ways of going about the procedure of meeting and dating women from our country and from other countries.

I have never used any method other than e-mail contact before meeting many gals from the FSU.  None of my letter writing (e-mail) was a waste of time.  Sure, I sent a lot of messages out to gals that I (and they) later screened out for actual meetings.  But none of that was a waste.

And I never meet (or write for very long) to gals who cannot communicate in English, so I avoid all the problems of interpreters, etc. 

And, I never deal with agencies, so I eliminate all those problems also.  But I would never suggest that my way is the only way.  It all depends on the guy and the type of gals he is willing to interact with. 

However, once a guy has chosen a particular method of approach, there are a lot of techniques that can be used to avoid the pitfalls inherent in each approach.  That is what we should be focusing on:  Trading ideas about the best way to proceed with each particular approach . . . . not claiming that one approach is better than another approach or all other approaches.

[docetae]

Just to follow up about languages, instead of investing on translator, I'm learning russian language with an ukrainian teacher.

The positive ? I learn both the language and the culture and I can understand if something is making a comment in her native language ...

[Casanova]

Well said Tigerpaws.  Al c, again, I reiterate, there is $20 million a year cash flowed (2004) by European Connections alone, and the bulk of that is "letter writing".  It's a WASTE OF MONEY,,, HUGE.  For some, very very few, it will work, but it works GREAT if you are within the TWO parameters I gave PERIOD.  Odds are 98% of the time if you are writing ladies in the FSU you've NEVER met before months before an arrival date, by the time you get there, things have changed, or a number of other factors can come into play.  From experience, and those of MANY others, again I reiterate, it's 98% of the time A WASTE of time.  I've done it, successfully... 6 months before the 1st trip over... but you meet, and any number of factors determines within minutes, hours, or days it's not what you are looking for, or VICE a VERSA and you move on   So then you have a situation, for example, where you have done what Tigerpaws has done, and for what?  One meeting?  Or in his MOST UNUSUAL CASE (very rare to say the least) A Marriage forthcoming?  SUPER!  That is TRULY WONDERFUL, and every time I see a star fall, I make a wish!  And it happens from time to time.  But I don't stand around and count on it   I've written letters 2 years prior to going over, spent over $5,000 on letter writing alone.  I've met and dated as many as FSU women as I wanted, and can ANY time I want... in fact, I still have some writing me somehow (I guess my email list has been marketed somehow by some agency(s)) And I am getting married to an FSU woman I've BEEN living with for months now.

    I agree with Tigerpaws on most points, given the 2 parameters I gave.  Otherwise, it's absolutely a waste of time and money in 98% of the cases.  I've seen it over, and over, and over again.  I've met and spent time with guys from U.S., England, Wales, Scotland, Australia, South Africa, Belgium, Germany, and so on, and I've dated women who've told me there side of it... some of them having been married before, and in one case involved in marriage agency for a short period of time (Holland).

    I would NEVER be so negligent to advise it to those starting out,,, that's my opinion, that's MY personal experience, and that's my witness and experience in speaking with dozens and dozens and dozens of MEN and WOMEN in this process and pursuit with more than a year and a half of living in the FSU (approaching two years soon, and I HERE at the moment).   Once you meet a lady and want to correspond by letter and save on phone costs a little, super... but writing to someone you've never met MONTHS before you can even arrive I have found, and still believe is a complete risk, uneccessary, and a waste of time. 

     As for language, I'll comment that a friend of mine who lives and works in Kazakistan (spelling?) but visits Kiev often, speaks FLUENT Russian, the best I've ever heard.  It makes a huge pleasant impression on the people.  He's an avid student of language, knows 5 total, and is fluent in 4 of them.  He's a very unusual and talented man, and when watching him speak english one moment, and Russian to them the next, is truly pleasantly surprising, and flattering to the Russian people.

     If you are Ukrainian, and hear a foreigner speaking Ukrainian, it's even that much more of a form of flattery, or definetly a way to express not only your thoughts, feelings, and so forth, but your caring enough to speak to them in their mother tongue.  As the Orange Revolution came and went, many Ukrainians felt a greater sense of pride and awareness of their culture... which is a bit different than the Russian culture and mentality in some ways.  As one who lived in Ukraine for a time, I was often asked and encouraged to learn Ukrainian by the Ukrainians.

     However, Russian is far more widely understood, and used, and will get you around in all the FSU, whereas Ukrainian is very limited in use.

     Lastly, I just spoke to my fiance' about this process, specifically LETTER WRITING.  She had a friend who just went through this some months back.  She was with Bride.Ru.  She got letters from some guys... and it's EXACTLY as I had said in earlier posts, which back to the TOPIC, HOW TO GET PAST THE CUT & PASTE:

      Typically these women are getting letter's from guys from ALL over the world, in this case Turkey & America.  She ended up meeting the guy who did it like I did, and as I recommended, and I am TELLING YOU ALL, this way is BEST.   There are other ways, I know, I did them, and wouldn't do them again. 

      If you are either IN THE FSU or stating that you will be there in 4-6 weeks on a specific date, and have specific plans being SERIOUS about meeting, THAT WORKS.  It also WORKS if you OFFER and ASK for PHONE NUMBERS!!!  She says the American guy didn't even ask for phone numbers! (WHAT an idiot!)

      I am talking with my fiance' as I write.  The Americans are funny.  They are NOT DIRECT and STRAIGHT FORWARD enough.  Russians are VERY direct in such matters, and if you want to get past the CUT & PASTE, then again, ACTION IS KING.  This four months and six months of writing 135 different women, and so on (example) is 98% of the time B.S. period.  If it worked for you, super, but for 98% of the men and women in this process, it's NOT going to work, and a waste of heart, time, and money. 

     I met women, generally 3 out of 5  I would write when I got into the FSU, who I wrote.  You want to know how to get past the cut and paste???  BE SERIOUS, and SHOW you are SERIOUS.  BE within the 2 parameters I gave.  Next, get a PHONE NUMBERS... GIVE YOURS and ASK FOR HERS!!!  Within the first 2 letters you should have this, I did, or I knew they were NOT serious or NOT seriously interested and there's just TOO D**** many women to fool with anyone less than serious, and that means SERIOUS about meeting.  This is how the Russian mentality is.  Words are cheap, smiles are often fake (esp. when American).  If you want to get past the cut and past, then quit pussy footing around, state that you are already 1. ALREADY THERE   2.  WILL BE THERE IN 4-6 weeks  

    OFFER YOUR PHONE NUMBER, and within the first couple of letters (I did it in the FIRST LETTER ALWAYS!!!) ASK for a phone number!!! There is absolutely NO REASON   NONE WHATSOEVER to get a phone number!  If she doesn't have a mobile phone (extremely rare) then she has one at home, and if not (EXTREMELY RARE) then she has a FRIEND who has a mobile phone (I've experienced this personally, and called the girls on their friends mobile phone) or a friend who has a home phone.

     Unless you've met a woman, or are on your way, writing women you've never met (and a whole lot of Sasha keyboard romeo's sitting behind a models' photo trying to woo you over to spend money or get money out of you) is a foolish risk.  Why waste time and money when you can be within the two parameters given, and get phone numbers and give yours, get on the phone, and go and MEET.  Excuses are lies to yourself.  Action in the FSU is King, and these women LOVE men of ACTION, and if you are a SERIOUS man SERIOUS about meeting, you'll meet ALL the women you want... You'll have a BLAST.

     Now if I had that advice from the start, I would have saved time, heart, and money   Enjoy, the wiser of you WILL, particularly those "just starting out".

      Too many of these women play the "letter writing" game... as my fiance is now saying "It's like a slap in the face" these guys write letters all the time,,, and they DON't SHOW UP all the time...  TRUST ME GENTLEMEN,,, I KNOW... I've been there.  You tell her, and SHOW IT, and be ready to PROVE IT, that you are coming in 6 weeks, and you've got her.

      At least 90% of the time   And that's assuming she's not a Sasha keyboard romeo or those rare cases that this approach won't apply... such as, YOU may go and meet her.  Either way, it's a win, because if you are coming to meet her, you will more than likely meet her friends, family, and KNOW she's not dating or sexually involved with someone else... because everyone will likely know you are in town anyway. (unless you are in the larger cities).

      Remember, THEY don't even know if YOU are real...  and not some FAT UGLY POCK Faced Elderly SLOB or something... I go could on all day with experiences... not just my own, but those of OUR friends.  Trust me... do it MY way, and your chances will be FAR GREATER, time & money far better spent.  And yes, I insist

[Casanova]

one last thing... I can show you ONE true path to enlightenment... come over to the FSU and I promise, I can SHOW you.  I'll have you a dozen women on trains coming from ALL over the FSU in less than two weeks to meet, serious about marriage, or just to spend time with you to explore that option.  It's VERY easy to do friends, and I am speaking to those "Starting out" with the approach I just gave, and a few minor additions to the "campaign".  It's SO easy, really it is.  The women REALLY don't appreciate time wasters,,, but alas, your posts show that, as usual, you have the dominant sexist attitude typical of us Americans that it's a candy store, and we can have just as much candy where, when, and how we want, and while an element of that is true, your engaging in mental masturbation and waste by approaching it with this 4-6 months of letter writing to women you've never met or talked to (if you've spoken by phone, then that's another story, PERHAPS, maybe).  Remember, one must respect their time and emotion TOO.  Actually, I am showing you here, no need to come to me, just DO IT.  Common sense tells you, the way I just described is BEST. It's not the only way, but not the fools path either, or shall I say HIGH RISK gamblers approach.

[TigerPaws]

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 In broad general terms I am going to  agree with your approach, the problem with your suggestion is that it assumes  the availability of high speed quality communications which is not always the  case. There exists a vast untapped pool of generally very high quality ladies in  the remote regions of Russia and the Ukraine. We had a neighbor before we moved  aboard who just arrived from Kerch in the Ukraine and while I have never been  there she describes Kerch as a town/village that would fit nicely into the  description of a more remote region with limited telephone service, little to no  internet capability and no cell coverage. Russia has far more regions like this,  if you are interested (or anyone else for that matter) I could name a number of  them I have been to and stayed in. In these remote regions the quick  communication method breaks down because it is simply not available as does  finding a girl with acceptable English and these regions are generally where the  real finds are today.[/size][/color] [color="blue"][size="4"] [/size][/color]  [color="blue"][size="4"]

 Postal letters are still the primary  means of communication in these remote regions and few have direct easy access  to telephones, as an example my lady did not have a telephone she had to use a  friends which was across town and there is still no cell service available in  her town/village today. Had it not been for a friend and neighbor who worked for the  local telephone company she would not have had access to e-mail which by-the-way  is still a low speed connection today [/size][/color][color="blue"][size="4"](28.8 is considered a good  connection)[/size][/color][color="blue"][size="4"]. [/size][/color] [color="blue"][size="4"] [/size][/color] [color="#0000ff"][size="4"][color="blue"][size="4"]

  From what I understand most of your  experience is within the Ukraine is that correct? With the opening of the borders to  travel without a visa the Ukraine has become much more accessible to men seeking  a lady but that creates a whole series of other problems not the least of which  is over exposure[/size][/color].[/size][/color]

[Casanova]

Tigerpaws, you ask a very good question, and make a very good point.  No, my travels and experiences are not limited to Ukraine, though that may clearly be the impression one may get from what very little I have shared with my ongoing travels and experiences around the world and the FSU, where I am even as I write this.  Again, it is a myth that the average girl or woman in the FSU does not:

1. Have a cell or mobile phone (they call them 'mobile' phones)

2. Have her own phone (we never knew anyone who didn't have a home phone)

3. Doesn't have access either to a computer via her local marriage agency, if there is a "real one" there, as in one that you can actually GO to (try that in Poltava, and good luck with it too... WE (male interpreter and an American friend) could NEVER find one that would allow us to go and "see" their catalog... rather, one had to sign on to the website and WE were there.  If she can't access the computer through her local marriage agency, ask yourself WHY.  ALMOST ALL midsized cities in the FSU have UP TO DATE and HIGH SPEED INTERNET.  It is a MYTH that 'most' DO NOT.  Kislovordsk Russia is one example of a city in Russia that has SUPER HIGH speed modern up to date internet access, 5 times faster than the public internet access cafes in Kiev, and that's a FACT.  POLTAVA UKRAINE has not only HIGH SPEED PUBLIC ACCESS for PROFIT internet cafes, BUT WEBCAMS that ANYONE with a grivna for 30 minutes, CAN USE.  I know, I've been there, and SEEN THEM.  The same goes with Simferopol.

Kharkov has a BRAND NEW VERY modern HIGH SPEED internet access cafe complete with big yellow smiling face ICONS and professional greeters at their cafe, and wonderful brand new international IP calling centers.  Simferopol has HIGH SPEED cable modem internet cafes that ANYONE with a grivna can access for a minimum of 30 minutes.  I used to watch the girls writing some of YOU from there when I was visiting in this city   I used to laugh too, and think how foolish it was that instead of just COMING ON OVER, so many men (98%) will NEVER come over...   WOW.  They are REALLY missing out.

Moscow, of course has all of this, and so on.  I am not going into ALL the areas I have traveled, or where I am now (FSU), but TRUST ME,,, UNLESS YOUR high quality good woman or FSU girl is in THE VILLAGE (there are some), she's got phones, and CHEAP internet access.  Melitopol has public internet access.  Small Cities around Moscow certainly do, and so on.   Mobile phones will work on about 80% of your trip through Ukraine and parts of Russia.  What does that tell you?  Mobile phone coverage is INDEED WIDESPREAD, and has a VERY GOOD COVERAGE, though some VILLAGES do not.

    Remember, the U.S. State Travel Warnings page advises U.S. Citizens traveling abroad to keep a low profile, change routines, etc.  I am certainly not going to broadcast over the local ISP (which have known to be a source of information to the mafia, and corrupt government officials, etc.) or to this board my exact whereabouts for obvious reasons.  Even in this small FSU city, however, there is cable access, and nearly all the girls have a mobile phone.  Even the poorest of the poor can go and get a used Nokia for about $40, and in Kiev, for example, one simply goes to Radio Bizzarre and can get USED or NEW mobile phones from $50 to $200 easy, including some of the latest cutting edge models.  SIM CARDS brand new in the envelope (KIEV STAR) are like 10 grivna (2005).  Look, even in Hopa Turkey I was pleasantly surprised to see that they have SUPER FAST brand NEW high speed internet with brand new computers... I challenge anyone to disprove what I am saying here.

    The city I am in now is about 1.5 million in population, and one of the poorest in the FSU, yet, there are internet cafes all around, nearly on every block, and complete with webcams, and high speed internet. Also, as I said, 90% or better of ALL the girls have their own mobile phones, and if they don't, they have a FRIEND who does.  One girl I had been corresponding with in a city NORTH of Moscow didn't have a mobile phone.  She simply had me call at a certain time on her FRIENDS mobile phone.  She then quickly got HER OWN MOBILE PHONE soon after.  It was a BIG DEAL an American was talking to her about Marriage, and SHE and HER FAMILY took it VERY VERY seriously.  My fiance' explains that MOST of them do, and indeed, it is a VERY Big deal.

    Let me give some MORE PROOF Sports Fans.  Last night I had went to the local McDonalds (yes, many cities in the FSU have McDonalds, including Simferopol, and so on).  I had been telling my fiance' that I might teach a little english to make some extra cash (about $10-$20 per hour if you do group practice lessons), and meet some locals (many times you will meet some V.I.P.'s, one of my buddies in Kiev, for example, a British English teacher, taught Kuchma's GRANDSON,,, and yeah, he had 3 bodyguards at all times, even at summer camp

     I had been out at the local McDonald's, and 3 younger girls where in front of me (all about 20-22).  One was looking over at me, and they all were kind of excited and flirty.  Then as they get up to leave, having left me many opportunities to speak with them, the last one turns around and her beautiful dark long brunette hair falls to the side and she beams this most sexiest angelic smile my way.... And I think to myself... wow... it's SO easy... if the men only knew the increase in attention and dating opportunities OFF the beaten scammer path...   I jest a little, but you get the point.

    So I come home, and tell the fiance' that I'll try to round up some folks interested in practicing english (I have a diploma in TESL, takes about 60-80 hours to get online and $350, or 4 weeks and some $1,000 to $1600 to get, and is one of the BEST way to meet girls IF you are living IN COUNTRY, plus earn some extra cash, meet V.I.P.'s, etc.).

     So I hop online.  I go to I.C.Q.  I put my city and country that I am in RIGHT NOW. (I meet parameter 1. of my 2 rules for NOT WASTING TIME AND MONEY FOR MEETING F.S.U. girls AND JUSTIFYING CORRESPONDENCE with girls I've never met (and consequently don't know if they are real, as presented in the photos, or some Sasha keyboard romeo, or worse yet even, a ruthless heart carving scammer!).

     I put my city and country in the SEARCH section of ICQ.  I put in a standard line like, HI, I am **** an American guy <age insert here> touring here in CITY.   It's VERY WINDY here tonight, and cold, I hope the sun warms us tommorrow!  How are you tonight? -

BINGO,,,, BAM BAM BAM.... the bells are just going off.  First off... there are TOO MANY search hits in my targeted age range, and ICQ is asking to "narrow my search" (females, ei. 22-26) parameters.  Secondly, I have TOO many responses.  I narrow it done to the girls who are more fluent in english (many are NOT, but most can communicate with me, and love the opportunity).  My photo is in ICQ so they can instantly see me.  Of all I talked to last night (6) in chat, only 2 had met Americans before in their life, and those were WOMEN.

     I'll be meeting one, because she's a professional translator, and we have documents that we are working with right now.  She's SUPER excited about meeting...but she has 3 jobs... and translations is ONE of them.  It's often the case, as I SAID BEFORE... many of these women, particularly the ones who are AMBITOUS or just want to have a standard of living, WORK WORK WORK and often do UNIVERSITY TOO.  THEY DO NOT have TIME to correspond with those that are LESS THAN SERIOUS ABOUT MEETING... though that's just OFTEN, not always the case (as far as being SUPER busy just to SURVIVE).

     So to PROVE just how many girls in the FSU have this access... check it out on your own... or use MSN, ICQ, or even Yahoo messenger... search the female's age range, city, and country you want to chat with.  But your response will be SUPER if you do it as I said... and it works even MORE SUPER if you ARE THERE, as I am, and can PROVE IT (to them, we ALL know it was SUPER windy here last night).  That's exciting, that's real, and they know there's a VERY GOOD chance WE WILL MEET VERY VERY SOON,,,, because I am a MAN of ACTION, I am HERE, and I am READY TO MEET, and will give them TIME and ATTENTION, and I will have PHONE NUMBERS within the first 1-3 letters.... because I am NOT a fool,,, I LIVE IN and TRAVEL the FSU (and 8 countries in total thus far), and I KNOW the Russian, Ukraine, etc. realities,,, and of course, still learn, often, quite often.  So if you want to "GET PAST THE CUT & PASTE" show you are for real, show you are ON YOUR WAY, or BE HERE (there for most of you dreaming of this fantastic adventure, and potentially LIFE CHANGING Journey of Journeys).

     Good luck, and thanks for the good point... If you want the girl from the village, your concerns might be valid,,, be prepared to REALLY teach her a lot though... everything from how to use a computer, to a modern toilet (no joke).  Although cases like this exist, they are somewhat rare, and yes, I've dated a girl like this too.

[Casanova]

Tigerpaws, I'd like to know those regions, not to challenge you, but to simply 'know' for future reference.  Why?  Because as a man with a lot of experiences in life, I know that at the drop of a hat situations can change, and I have a LOT of friends interested in Russia, as well as Ukraine, and having been in Russia twice, I cannot say I've travailed this LARGEST country on the planet (land mass-11 time zones), so in that respect, I'd sincerely like to know some of those areas not covered by cell phone, or modern internet access.  My travels around Moscow area, and in Kislovordsk show that things are far better in terms of modern internet, and even modern digital camera processing/equipment/postal are far better than many American cities (perhaps it's because it's a TOURIST area for Russians, and much of Europe).  I'd take a gander at the map of cell phone coverage if I was in Kiev at any UMC or Kievstar office (of which there are many), however, I didn't even bother when I was in Russia the two times I was over there last.

    I will also comment that in my past experiences, being in the smaller cities, it was almost like having celebrity status, though that can have it's advantages, and disadvantages.  In cases like this, it's important to remember the networking and ripple effect.  If you meet a girl and may not find particular interest in her, she may have friends, or relatives, coworkers, classmates, etc. that MAY be interesting for YOU.  This is what happened in Zhitomir, a few hours outside Kiev in my personal experience.

    I should also comment to the "Starting Out" guys that in your letter writing, and attempts at forging "Instant Rapport", in following the 2 parameters or guidelines I've given and maintain for 98% of you pursuing this, in your correspondence to FSU women (we hope) that you've NOT yet met before in person (GIVE your phone number, and ASK for hers in the first, second, or third letter!) - remember it's ESSENTIAL that you create a sense of "time is of the essence" in the the more challenging situations.  In other words, if you write and say "I am living in the FSU", she may think, oh well, I have MONTHS to plan a trip to see this guy, and he's seeing a dozen different women anyway.  However, if you say you have come on BUSINESS, saw her profile, and may only be in the FSU for another 10-14 days and would like to meet her, she'll be more than likely to hop on a train, and come to you A.S.A.P. or INVITE YOU to her city.  (where you want to meet as many friends of hers as possible just in case you discover disharmony or incompatibility between you). 

     Why business?  If you are just 'touring', she may think more likely you are seeing many other girls... then again, maybe not, however, there are very legitimate business opportunities in the FSU, and Putin himself a few months ago officially addressed the issue of desiring businessmen from abroad looking at opportunities in Russia, for example.  It will give her the impression that you may, thus, have repeated trips in the future to the FSU, trips which she may see you again (they know the fiance' visa process will take many months), and perhaps SHE may see HER Family again (which she will CERTAINLY want too), and so on.

     I don't know if that helps, but it may to the newbies or those just starting out who might find some catalysts here to improved success rates in the number of meetings and dates you actually endeavor in your investment of TIME, MONEY, and most importantly SOUL, or as Americans may better percieve it - heart.  By the way, there is actually a book called "Instant Report" and there REALLY IS a very valid science to it,,, it's meant for "in person" face to face contact, however, the wiser among you could certainly apply it carefully, and skillfully in your letters to further get past the "cut and paste", though in my humble opinion, my first two rules and previous postings on this subject FAR outweigh these more cunning and manipulative, however effective, scientific methods of developing "instant rapport".  In fact, though the latter method is certainly powerful, it's pale in comparison to the first two most important issues I qualify in this process of "corresponding with the unknown", and I feel cheapened by even mentioning it, but some of you will want to follow up for the potency in the face to face meeting said techniques in developing "instant report" can have... particularly when one realizes the communication will be 70% NONverbal, and thus where your efforts of wooing, and skillful "communication" (some will call it flat downright MANIPULATION, but one has said "ALL is FAIR in Love And War") SHOULD FOCUS!  Study up those "starting out" and the very best of success in your endeavors!

[TigerPaws]

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[/size][/color][color="blue"][size="4"]Casanova,[/size][/color] [color="blue"][size="4"] [/size][/color]  [color="blue"][size="4"]

 I think what we have here is that we  are talking about two distinct different groups of men who are seeking ladies  from the FSU. It sounds from your approach you are speaking to those men with  more average to upper middle means, while I am speaking of men with far greater  means and generally much more time available to them. Additionally I generally  try to dissuade the men I counsel for going to the Ukraine because of the now  easy access the country is becoming inundated with would be suitors.   [/size][/color] [color="blue"][size="4"]

 If I am to be truthful in general I  do not care for the general attitude and demeanor of most Ukrainian girls, I  find them to be far to independent and domineering for my taste, while my  experiences with the majority of Russian girls I have met and come to know has  been that they are more subservient and gentle. Of course everyone is different  and these are my personal observations and experiences, your mileage may  vary.[/size][/color] [color="blue"][size="4"] [/size][/color]  [color="blue"][size="4"]

 Casanova you are right about the  extra work it takes to help a girl from one of the towns/villages, when my lady  arrived she had never seen an garbage disposal or a dishwasher, she knew about  clothes washers and dryers but had never used one, she could speak very little  English and had never driven a car. So as you can imagine we had a very long  learning curve for almost everything, yet with time, patience, understanding and  work these little difficulties were overcome by both of us. Because of these  very difficulties we developed a far stronger bond with each other which has  strengthened our relationship.[/size][/color]

[TigerPaws]

[color="#0000ff"][size="4"]Casanova,[/size][/color] 

 [color="#0000ff"][size="4"] To answer your question as to where  in Russia you will not find the kind of communications you believe are  everywhere, I suggest you go north of Perm to towns such as Yurla, Kudymkar,  Gubdor and Krasnovishersk, or north of Novosibirsk about 100 kilometers near  towns like Sugot and Kolpashevo. These regions are well outside of areas where  you will find very many telephones and no high speed internet, Hells Bells most  do not get more than one fuzzy TV channel, I know I have spent time in these  areas.[/size][/color]    [color="#0000ff"][size="4"]

 There are many, many more regions in  Russia just like this, in fact thousands of them where postal communications are  the only semi reliable means of communication and while you may not think there  are many desirable girls for places like these believe my this is where the real  gems are not in cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg. Of course looking in out  of the way places is not for everyone nor is the additional challenges faced  with a lady from such regons, none-the-less the rewards can far effort if a man  has the ability to take on a challenge.[/size][/color]

[TigerPaws]

I should also comment to the "Starting Out" guys that in your letter writing, and attempts at forging "Instant Rapport", in following the 2 parameters or guidelines I've given and maintain for 98% of you pursuing this, in your correspondence to FSU women (we hope) that you've NOT yet met before in person (GIVE your phone number, and ASK for hers in the first, second, or third letter!) - remember it's ESSENTIAL that you create a sense of "time is of the essence" in the the more challenging situations.  In other words, if you write and say "I am living in the FSU", she may think, oh well, I have MONTHS to plan a trip to see this guy, and he's seeing a dozen different women anyway.  However, if you say you have come on BUSINESS, saw her profile, and may only be in the FSU for another 10-14 days and would like to meet her, she'll be more than likely to hop on a train, and come to you A.S.A.P. or INVITE YOU to her city.  (where you want to meet as many friends of hers as possible just in case you discover disharmony or incompatibility between you). 

     Why business?  If you are just 'touring', she may think more likely you are seeing many other girls... then again, maybe not, however, there are very legitimate business opportunities in the FSU, and Putin himself a few months ago officially addressed the issue of desiring businessmen from abroad looking at opportunities in Russia, for example.  It will give her the impression that you may, thus, have repeated trips in the future to the FSU, trips which she may see you again (they know the fiance' visa process will take many months), and perhaps SHE may see HER Family again (which she will CERTAINLY want too), and so on.

     I don't know if that helps, but it may to the newbies or those just starting out who might find some catalysts here to improved success rates in the number of meetings and dates you actually endeavor in your investment of TIME, MONEY, and most importantly SOUL, or as Americans may better percieve it - heart.  By the way, there is actually a book called "Instant Report" and there REALLY IS a very valid science to it,,, it's meant for "in person" face to face contact, however, the wiser among you could certainly apply it carefully, and skillfully in your letters to further get past the "cut and paste", though in my humble opinion, my first two rules and previous postings on this subject FAR outweigh these more cunning and manipulative, however effective, scientific methods of developing "instant rapport".  In fact, though the latter method is certainly powerful, it's pale in comparison to the first two most important issues I qualify in this process of "corresponding with the unknown", and I feel cheapened by even mentioning it, but some of you will want to follow up for the potency in the face to face meeting said techniques in developing "instant report" can have... particularly when one realizes the communication will be 70% NONverbal, and thus where your efforts of wooing, and skillful "communication" (some will call it flat downright MANIPULATION, but one has said "ALL is FAIR in Love And War") SHOULD FOCUS!  Study up those "starting out" and the very best of success in your endeavors!

[color="blue"][size="4"] In general this is very good advise and well written, well done Casanova.[/size][/color]

[Casanova]

Thank you Tiger Paws.  I'll never forget (I have photos on the web of our trip) when a buddy of mine says to me in Kiev "I've heard that you can go to the village and practically "buy" a girl for $50, and take her to the city with you, and have her stay home, cook, clean, take care of all your needs, take her out once a week to the restuarant, and she will treat you like a king!".  This was back in my green days and first months of living in Ukraine.  I thought "Hmmm... sounds interesting, and funny ".  I had a girlfriend already, and so did this guy (he had taught english at a top university there in Kiev for over two years), but this guy was "tired" of the girl he had (he was in his 40's, and she was around 19-20).

   Being new to all this at the time, I wanted to go and check it out, but not bad enough to leave my girlfriend behind.  As fate would have it, I was more or less forced to go, as I later learned that my buddy was on a limited budget (as english teacher's often are) and he was practically forcing me to go to split the expenses of the male Ukrainian interpreter (and friend) who was going to go with us for this excursion and virtually TOUR with NO plan.  The city for this exploration?  Poltava.  I learned later this this is FAR from "the village"  and that was mistake 1 (as far as the objective of trying to find a village to see if this was true).  We did the street pick up style, all throughout Poltava, and didn't have much luck.  mistake 2 - NEVER take a male interpreter with you, nor another buddy, or at least not for approaching the girls on the street,,, it's 20 times better to have a FEMALE interpreter with you.  If you are worried about muggers, a guy told me he fills his Vick's inhaler full of household cleaning ammonia and just uses that...  I don't know about that one, but I personally NEVER had a problem in smaller cities and towns in Ukraine.

    We did hop on the train and go on to Mirogorod, and while being "smaller" it too was far from being the "village" or "willage" in Ukrainian broken english

     Mistake 3 - the buddy was American Chinese, and there was a bar full of what he described as "SKIN HEADS" (and probably were, though I doubt like hades they had ever SEEN a chinese guy before, especially there   He flipped out, and left the cafe/bar/dance place we were at, and I was P*SSED.  I had a super gorgeous blond speaking to me in Russian as I had went to the toilet.  I was out there dancing with those skinheads too, and they, while being VERY competitive, kind of thought it was interesting and VERY cool... after all, I was an American, and the only one they had EVER seen (they had seen lot's of movies though, and could only dream of such things that in some cases, they cannot began to understand what is actually even "reality" verses "fantasy"... literally, to some of them, like SUPERMEN in their midst, and the love/hate envy/jealously/celebrity complex that, at times, and in "some locations" and age groups comes with this experience

     I was super angry... my American Chinese buddy was heading for the train station... he already had been on a major European talk radio show for police harrassing him in Ukraine (that put a stop to that), and now we run into these "skinheads" in the cafe/bar/dance place we were at.  Actually, they were pretty cool guys, having a great time, and never said anything to my friend, as squint eyed and half balding the China man he was, they never laid a hand on him.  He didn't want to push it though.  Meanwhile I am outside demanding the my interpreter come back and  finish the mission and job he came to do.  My China man buddy says NO WAY - we are LEAVING NOW!   Well... being the greenie I was then, I went back and tried to dance with the girl, and speak the 5 words I knew in Russian, but no luck, she was gone.  I was angry, to say the least.

    Mirogorod is a VERY cool little place. It's where they bottle water for the famous water by that name, and they have a super gorgeous little river that runs through the little town, with a very romantic bridge, and sandy beaches, complete with little paddle boats like you'd see at Ocean's of Fun... with TOPLESS WOMEN on the beaches much of the time   Yes, it was pretty interesting, but a totally calm, FAMILY environment.  No loud music, no tattooed freaks, no minorities, and just a lot of Ukrainians just enjoying life amongst the nature and sunshine.

     So as we didn't have a plan in the first place (as I often like it), we just hopped back on the train, and went back to Poltava.  I had met some girl there, and was invite to a very large party they were all having down by the river.  Unfortunately, China man had to be back in Kiev for work.  I have photos on Webshots if anyone wants to see what Poltava's like.  My male buddy interepreter (Ukrainian snake had gotten very friendly with the owner of the flat we had rented in Poltava.  She already had two boyfriends though, and was certainly not my kind of girl, though she was rather attractive - my buddy was spending a lot of time with her (I have photos of them too).  The girls at Club Spider were SUPER HOT... particularly the PLAYBOY magazine quality of girls serving us our dinner there.  Wow.  We wanted to photograph them... I thought I had landed in one of Hugh Hefner's places when these lovely vixens approached our tables serving our meals, as we watched the UKR Barbie Dolls dancing on the club stage/floor (super hot! very niave out in these parts).

    Well,,, my buddy asks them if we can photograph them for our travel diary and internet journals.  A few police come over moments later to the bar, and look over at us.  We got the message.  No photographing these Playboy model types tonight.  Now, I have too look back and wonder if China man hadn't been with us, if we would have gotten way further... and I imagine we would've   In fact, as later experience would prove time, and time again, I KNOW I would have

    As far as classifying upper middle, elite or whatever words we want to classify folks or men in this  process... well... I disagree respectfully.  Not that your not right, or that I am, once again.  It's like this, as I see it.  I've spent time with men that have MILLIONS, and in one case, can TELL governments what he's GONNA do   I've spent time with men over there (here) that literally finance MILLIONS in loans to some of the governments over there (here), in one case CUBA to be exact... yet at the same time, I spent time with a man (over a week on a daily basis, we had a blast) who at age 54 was as broke as a skunk.  At 59 he had a 54 foot Yacht named after his daughter, and was looking at Condos in FLORIDA for 7-12 million a peice, though as we ate together at some restuarant in Kiev, he explained that we was 'retired'.

    Yet, when it came time to pay for a taxi, he was more frugal than the Ukrainians I spent time with (and that, dear friends, IS FRUGAL).  We would wait 15 minutes if necessary out at more interesting clubs (checking them out) to get 10 grivna off a taxi if need be, just like the Ukrainians do... and he later sent a buddy of his to hang out with me who did the EXACT same thing, yet he picks up investors in Thailand at 12 million a whop for investment deals down in precious Florida where you hail to be from.

     And I saw them make mistakes with the girls.  HUGE ONES.  I'd been around at this point for nearly a year.  I saw one, for example, waste an ENTIRE WEEKEND, and it was hell on both of us, really, and my fiance', at that time OUR interpeter... she was a total rotten materialistic B**ch.  If only I had the time to share and write up all the stories.  Point is... this man, as affluent he NOW was (far more than anyone I'd met in a few years, though my best friends father back in Missouri was megawealthy, and has photos of him shaking hands and signature autographs with a few of our U.S. Presidents), WASTED 3 days of precious time with this woman he had wrote and had brought over by train from Kharkov and was dealing with an agency... 

      I can tell the stories enough to fill a book or two... maybe three... point is.. I don't classify men.  Sure, where I am at now, I see the very best Opera and Ballet in all the world... really... we go about once a week... we pay about 2-4 in the local currency (less than a dollar a peice).  WE SEE the Americans in suits and ties... and we are in the FSU that is LESS and NOT OFTEN traveled by Americans.. or anyone else for that matter...  and I personally don't like those kind of overeducated elitist wealthy p***s who won't get off mainstreet because they are afraid they might get their shoes dirty, or bird dung on their hat... or God forbid (inhale deeply) meet a real geniune local!

     I spent time with real people... with real objectives, real experiences,,, some were wealthy, some were poor, some were smart, and some were pathetically stupid.  I spent time with real Ukrainians, having a real Christmas... I spent time in some cities with Ukrainians I had just met on Maidan, and were in their hometown, staying at their apartments, with NO interpreter, and getting by with only their very limited and broken english.  I spent time with Military officers who had fought and watched their buddies die in Afganistan, who broke glasses (the commander) and swore that if I EVER had a problem, just call them... and I fell asleep at their flat as they passed out after a night of cooking Ukrainian food and listening to Ukrainian music (and modern Russian music).

     Yet in the same week, at times, I'd go and meet a buddy like the one I mentioned before, whom my buddy in L.A. had referred to come and hang out with me.  People are people, and money comes and goes...  I've personally traveled 8 countries in the last 9 months.  I am still learning a lot.  I am still reflecting and contemplating things.  Anyone who's done this kind of thing knows what I am talking about.  It makes you grow, and learn.  Those who just come and "visit" for two weeks have no real insight into the culture or the people, in my opinion.

     I think one of the most valuable things one can learn in this process, is about themselves, and that too is, in many cases, not all of course, a great starting point.  Letter writing, if done truthfully and honestly, will force one to contemplate and review this self image... and ask yourself how accurate that image is that you 'attempt' to project to others.

     In short,,, I understand your dichotomy and American mindset on class, and classification, based on money...  and that's o.k. for you.  However, I don't see it as reality... and for those handful of Russian girls that do, those are NOT the ones I enjoyed spending time with, nor wanted at my dinner table...  nor did MY MULTImillionaire buddies.  In fact, that's exactly what we TRIED to avoid... and as I hear and understand, they still DO.  And I beg to differ about how money matters in the process...  I think it's actually quite simple.

   Perhaps I should give an example, and show you some actual approaches to get them on a train, and on their way to meet you, or an invitation to their city for YOU to meet them (and prove they aren't with a boyfriend or TWO already), and so on... ?

     It's easy.  I doesn't take a lot of money if done with the right approach, intent, and within the 2 parameters I have given.

     Ha, I laugh... Tigerpaws,,, I'll bet a $1000 I've spent far more quality time with millionaires than YOU this year in the FSU... and while I can see your point, your seeing American, and that's your problem buddy.  We are dealing with RUSSIANS and RUSSIA (FSU) remember?

     I'd get out of your head for a while.  Go sit on the moon, rethink your strategy.  I think, no offense, it's rather wasteful, and weak.

 

 

[Casanova]

and a VERY sincere thanks for the info on the Russia scenario.  I've been to Kislovordsk, though my embassy and the Russian embassy both threw a fit, and tried to get me NOT to go (screw them, I went anyway!, and I have the letters and photos, including one from a Senator, to PROVE IT!) <truth is, they have BIG ICBM missile bases up in the mountains there, and you'll get shot dead if you happen to wonder off in the wrong direction... I know, I had some drinks (Vodka) with some ex-soldiers there, and particularly a fully uniformed Russian Military officer.. he was a VERY cool guy>

   My impression of Kislovordsk is that it's SUPER, outside the Muslims contemplating to kidnap and kill us up in the mountains there (there are misunderstandings and tensions between us and them you know... though, when I am in my better behavior, I do try to act as an Ambassador of peace).  Kislovordsk is a SUPER place to take your lady, and a h***uva lot cheaper than SOCHI!  She'll enjoy it, if she likes mountains and nature... Funny stuff,,, the last day of our visit to this most lovely little Russian city, billboards went up around this little resort town of an American singer and composer coming to this area... yet the U.S. Embassy warned me NOT to go there? and the Russian Embassy secretary consulate had first exclaimed "IT's A CLOSED CITY!!!"  I scratched my head, and said to self "but there ARE no more CLOSED cities in Russia!".  I went anyway, and thank Jesus I did,,, it was a very cool trip.  I loved it, outside the Muslim buddy event... heck... you try to be nice to everyone in your travels, and teach them 'we' all ain't like Bush, to be midwestern about it,,,, but alas, sometimes all the niceities fade after so many Vodka toasts to Allah.

    Well,,, thanks again, and I'd recommend to you to visit Kislovordsk... it's not that bad if you stay in the city... and perhaps stear clear of the "dark skin" people (mountain Muslim folk) as the local native Russians will advise you... it's actually a very nice and wonderful place, and precisely, perhaps, (besides checking on them ICBM's) why Yeltsin spent all his freetime that he could afford there.  It's a great place!

[Casanova]

And one last thing, don't let those warnings about Kidnappings scare you... I got the real scope and inside story on that... for example, the kidnappings of British and American businessmen where I am at now in the FSU where rumored to be Russian FSB involved to scare off American and British interests and attempts at making a real change and chance at Democracy here and in the "independent" FSU countries... in other words,,, it's a sort of psy ops... so don't let that stop you, and don't worry, the Embassies are just playing a bit of politics too... they are pansies half the time and simply don't want to do any extra paperwork in such a situation (they had to open the U.S. Embassy on a Saturday morning one time JUST for me,,, true story,,, full staff, including security, and the whole nine had to come just for me... and yeah, I quoted some laws they had conveeeinently forgotten about).

    Well,,, thanks for that info on Russia,,, when I get a chance, I'll share more of mine,,, in the interim, I'm gonna post some photos up here so you can see some realities of the beauty and pure intrigue of Mother Russia   It's a blast!

[TigerPaws]

Ha, I laugh... Tigerpaws,,, I'll bet a $1000 I've spent far more quality  time with millionaires than YOU this year in the FSU... and while I can see your  point, your seeing American, and that's your problem buddy.  We are dealing with  RUSSIANS and RUSSIA (FSU) remember?

     I'd get out of your head for a  while.  Go sit on the moon, rethink your strategy.  I think, no offense, it's  rather wasteful, and weak.  

[color="#0000ff"][size="4"]Casanova,[/size][/color]  

[color="#0000ff"][size="4"]  In 2005 I would have to agree, I was  last in Russia the summer of 2004 and we will most likely return this spring  (maybe late April near my wife's birthday) beyond that you are dead wrong,  please remember I spent 3 full years in Russia before seeking out my lady so I  do have some measure of experience. As for quality time with people of means be  careful what you wager on because someone just might ask you to put your money on  the table. [/size][/color]    [color="#0000ff"][size="4"]

 I took this photo just before we  left Jost van Dyke island to pick up my wife's sister who flew into Nassau from  Moscow to spend a few weeks with us over New Years (she left Sunday) and no that  is not a cruse ship but a private yacht, they are all over here in the  Caribbean. Personally I do not know why people like those tubs, sure that are  opulent but you do not have any sense of being on the water, there is no  connection with the sea and you have no real privacy because you have a crew,  sorry spent some time on a similar boat not my cup of tea.[/size][/color]    [color="#0000ff"][size="4"]

 Anyway I digress Casanova. I think  you miss my point, generally I counsel men to avoid the larger cities if they  have the time, resources and personal fortitude to do so, the quick e-mail,  telephone approach breaks down in these regions as you well know. If a man is  looking for an easy quick approach and is unwilling or unable to properly invest  in learning about the culture, ladies and just what the Hell he is getting into  I generally suggest that this endeavor is not for him. Additionally it all  depends on the kind and type of lady a man is interested in, a very good friend  of mine whom I assisted is very much a big city person and was looking for a  sophisticated career oriented woman. While that type of lady has no appeal for  me he found exactly what he wanted in a lady and they have been doing well  together for 3 years now using an approach very similar to what you  suggest.[/size][/color]    [color="#0000ff"][size="4"]

 Different men have different wants,  needs and desires in a lady which requires different approaches, if a man of  means wants to keep a low profile and seek out a very traditional lady his  approach will be different than someone of modest means and limited time, there  is no one right way in this endeavor. I generally try to dissuade men of limited  to modest means from embarking on a quest for a lady from the FSU, they quickly  discover they do not have the time and resources to carry through with what are  the true costs in time a money. While we know of 2 successful couples (married  for over 3 years now and doing well together) who were the 1 week wonders  believe me I do understand they are an anomaly.[/size][/color]

[TigerPaws]

and a VERY sincere thanks for the info on the Russia scenario.  I've been  to Kislovordsk, though my embassy and the Russian embassy both threw a fit, and  tried to get me NOT to go (screw them, I went anyway!, and I have the letters  and photos, including one from a Senator, to PROVE IT!) <truth is, they have  BIG ICBM missile bases up in the mountains there, and you'll get shot dead if  you happen to wonder off in the wrong direction... I know, I had some drinks  (Vodka) with some ex-soldiers there, and particularly a fully uniformed Russian  Military officer.. he was a VERY cool guy.    [color="#0000ff"][size="4"]

 I was part of the team which was in  the region inspecting those very missile sites, so I am well aware of what you  are talking about Casanova.

  We heard the stories about the Muslim extremists,  persoanlly I came to understand those stories were fabricated to keep people out  of the area and it worked. I found all of the people I met to be quite friendly,  many would welcome me into their homes, met and spent some time with  unbelievably beautiful girls who were vastly different than anything you would  ever find in the larger cities. [/size][/color]

[Casanova]

I agree TigerPaws, psy ops works very well in that regard.  Great photo!!!  All the best to you and your wife!

[TigerPaws]

[color="blue"][size="4"]Thanks Casanova,

 We are anchored at Green Turtle Cay right now having left Paradise Island just before sun up yesterday.

 Keep us posted how you and your lady are doing and how things are progressing, I am sure your posts have been helpful for those just starting out.
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[Casanova]

Thank you.  I will, everything is going very well.  Enjoy the Sun

[TigerPaws]

[size="4"][color="blue"]Thank you Casanova it was 86F today, the water is 81F and we can see the bottom 35' below so clearly it looks like you can reach out and touch it.[/color]
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[Casanova]

Well Tiger Paws, as I look at your photo, and think "Gee, I am 35 years old, wonder how that guy made all his cash, and has the free time to sail around like that?"  "Maybe he's in the marriage agency business ?"

    I am laughing.  How does a guy get to where you are big Tiger?

    European connections cash flowed (Global Ladies) $20 Million in 2004.  That's a LOT of cash, and that's NOT including tours

     As for me, I think i'd make more cash writing a book, far less headaches (if the mob ever get's off my back... I got "set up" in Kiev, and just had some phone calls and icq of a very *unusual* nature).  After all, who wants the headaches of having an office, and diplomatic issues that come with the territory?

    Watch out for those sharks... especially if you hit a snag in the waters...

 

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Casanova, if at 35, you still wonder how to do the cash , not sure you will success to do it ...

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