Dream-marriage and zolushka from women side...

[Assamena]

Thanks for advice, but I can' post links of another webistes there too.

[Seeker]

Here's an idea: send the man to this site.  Tell him your user-name.  The man then makes his own profile and can either send you a PM or post something on a thread that you started.  This allows you to communicate outside of the agency and exchange all the information that you want.

We will need a new forum heading:  Couples Conversations.  Hmmmmmm.... might not be the best thing for them, considering how things sometimes go around here.  I am sure it would not be a "private" conversation.    

But it would be kind of romantic in an odd modern sort of way.

[elliott]

Thanks for advice, but I can' post links of another webistes there too.

You can get around posting a link.  You can write something like "type russian, women and discussion as one long word.  It ends with a dot com and my name is assamena".  Since there is no link, then link-detecting software cannot detect it and as long as nobody at the agency is proof-reading your letters then you should be able to get away with it.

I've never tried it so don't take my word for it.      It just seems like it would work.

[Gator]

Assamana,

I wish you the best of luck!

Question:  why are you not looking for Ukrainian men?  You would not have to write on the internet to strangers from a strange land.

My suggestion:  Don't change agencies but expand your visibility by placing your profile with other agencies and dating sites.  

It's easy.  Would take you less than an hour to enter your information and upload your photos (assuming they are in digital format).

Men have a lot of respect for this agency:

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?list=emodelsuser&method=create_form

And once you contact a man, you can give him at no cost any information:  email address, phone number (but don't provide that until you trust him), home address, etc.

There are the dating sites and many men look for women there, especially those in English.  However, 99% of your replies would probably come from Russian men.

[Assamena]

You can get around posting a link.  You can write something like "type russian, women and discussion as one long word.  It ends with a dot com and my name is assamena".  Since there is no link, then link-detecting software cannot detect it and as long as nobody at the agency is proof-reading your letters then you should be able to get away with it.

I've never tried it so don't take my word for it.      It just seems like it would work.

when I will brave I will try
Thanks for idea

[Mike78]

Assamena, IMHO the paid agency websites are just a scam, each one of them. There are tons of free dating websites, I don't understand why would anybody use the paid ones.

Anyways, I'm 31, I live in Phoenix, Arizona, USA (but I was born and raised in Europe), I'm tall, some say handsome, I have a good and stable professional job and I'm serious about meeting a nice European lady for a possible marriage. How can I contact you?

Veterans, does this forum have a Personal Message option?

[JR]

What's a f...
I can't send more then 5 private messages in one hor here!!!
I can't reply to BillyB !

You don't need to reply to BillyB, he is BAAAAD!!!!!

You only need to reply to me I'm GOOOOD!!!!!

You don't have to ask for a gift. Just hint that someone once sent you their contact information in a telegram using Western Union.

Or just join Elena's Models.

And I have gotten around detection software before by doing this:

myname
at
elenas
models
dot
com

[elliott]

I tried to send 10 letters to one man...It seemslike they are not open it.

You sent him letters.  He did not open them.  You kept sending him letters.  Do I have that right?  Um, that's kinda pyscho, Assamena.  No wonder he wouldn't open them.  I recommend not doing that again. 

[Seeker]

You don't need to reply to BillyB, he is BAAAAD!!!!!

You only need to reply to me I'm GOOOOD!!!!!

Woof!  Woof!...

Assamena these are both good guys from what I have read.  I have never met either of them in person, but they seem honest and caring...  

Oh crap, what am I saying?  RUN Assamena, RUN!  

[Assamena]

Assamena, IMHO the paid agency websites are just a scam, each one of them. There are tons of free dating websites, I don't understand why would anybody use the paid ones.

Anyways, I'm 31, I live in Phoenix, Arizona, USA (but I was born and raised in Europe), I'm tall, some say handsome, I have a good and stable professional job and I'm serious about meeting a nice European lady for a possible marriage. How can I contact you?

Veterans, does this forum have a Personal Message option?

I wrote to you a personal message

[Assamena]

You don't need to reply to BillyB, he is BAAAAD!!!!!

You only need to reply to me I'm GOOOOD!!!!!

You don't have to ask for a gift. Just hint that someone once sent you their contact information in a telegram using Western Union.

Or just join Elena's Models.

And I have gotten around detection software before by doing this:

myname
at
elenas
models
dot
com

BillyB is not bad!!!!!

[Assamena]

He is very nice And do not say anything bad to me, as some guys here already have done that.

[SANDRO43]

Another question to you guys. What to do with exchanging infor throw the site?

Assamena, a few hints here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=5901.0.

Another way would be registering with some social networking site (Facebook, VKontakte, etc.)  or free site (say, Singles.ru) and passing along the information (say, your registration name) on how to locate you there.

[Blues Fairy]

What if a person sends out 30 personalized letters, as it sounds like she did?  Would it be too much to expect at least one reply?  (a decent, nice reply; not something nasty or mean)

I think in the online dating world, it's better not to have very high expectations (but it's important to have high standards).  

Assamena, keep sending your mass mailings; or better yet, write an intriguing, humorous profile, have it proof-read by a native speaker, and wait for the letters from men.  Most guys like to chase, not to be chased; perhaps your model looks (+ the fact that you write them first) scare off your prospects.  

[JR]

BillyB is not bad!!!!!

BillyB IS bad.

BillyB IS BAD

BILLYB IS BAD!!!

BILLYB IS BAD!!!

BILLYB IS VERY BAD!!!!

[Seeker]

BillyB IS bad.

BillyB IS BAD

BILLYB IS BAD!!!

BILLYB IS BAD!!!

BILLYB IS VERY BAD!!!!

Assamena, I think you have started some competition among some of the men here...    

My only advice in all of this is trust yourself, and follow your heart.  Decide what you want, and settle for nothing less.

[Assamena]

Assamena, a few hints here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=5901.0.

Another way would be registering with some social networking site (Facebook, VKontakte, etc.)  or free site (say, Singles.ru) and passing along the information (say, your registration name) on how to locate you there.

It's against the rules to write name's of sites in letters or chat.

Only elliott gave me a good idea. He replied on my question and did not say go there or go there. Thanks elliott a lot for understanding me.

Guys, I do not ask where I shoud go, on what site!!!!!! I do not want free site, because I feel safer in agency. Maybe it's silly, but I do not care. I still will use zoluska and dream, because it's allowed by my agency and here is point.

Also dream is pretty and comfortable. Links which you are giving with some not nice looking sites, but, of course, maybe, sometimes I will change my mind.  Maybe even soon.

But, please, stop advices!!!! I feel already as a child, but I'm not a child a long time.

[ECOCKS]

No advice then, merely some education which even 60 year olds are offered here.

WM are STRONGLY advised to get the communications away from the agency as quickly as possible. This is considered by many to be one of the strong indicatiors that a woman is legitimately seeking to build an honest long-term relationship.

The alternative will be that many of us will advise the man that he should move on to the next woman of interest since this woman is not truly serious.

Anytime there is email, voice communication or IM contact this can be passed from the man to the woman and is alco viewed as one factor of dealing with reputable agencies.

[Shadow]

Assamena don't care too much about the rules.

By being in chat you are making the agency money, so the worst thing they are going to do is warn you. And if they do remove you,its their loss and means they do not care about women finding good men but only about how to get money from the guys pockets.

[Assamena]

I woud like not care, but one time was such problematic situation, I told already.
Well, now men does not send info because I'm writing here at the moment, and it seems I engoying it more then dream and zolushka ))) But some girls does not like  me here, especially my nik name which includes such a nice part as "ass" ))) 

I hope nobody breaks their eyes with my terrible English

But if I will try to write in Spanish, all who knows Spanish will do this  or this 

[Shadow]

Before anyone can mind your English, they would first have to be able to beat your Russian.
As long as we can understand what you write, no problem with making some errors.

[Blues Fairy]

But some girls does not like  me here, especially my nik name which includes such a nice part as "ass"

"Some girls" couldn't care less about you or your name, but if you don't cut your defensive bullshit, they'll soon start to really dislike you. 

[BillyB]

BillyB IS bad.

JollyRats, I know you love me but you can't have me all to yourself by scaring women away. I told you last week, I don't date men!

Before any rumors get tossed around, I'm not the kind of man who throws myself at every woman out there. It takes time to learn about a person. Even on this forum it takes time to figure other posters out on their hopes, dreams, attitudes, emotions, temperment, personality, beliefs, and views on marriage and in life. I said it before and I'll say it again, a woman has to have a good personality, good character and I have to feel that we both feel we are compatible before I commit to visiting any lady. Also I'm not the possessive and jealous type like JollyRats who when he wants something, will do whatever it takes to get it!

I still will use zoluska and dream, because it's allowed by my agency and here is point.

Also dream is pretty and comfortable. Links which you are giving with some not nice looking sites, but, of course, maybe, sometimes I will change my mind.

Assamena, I took a look at those sites and they both have some of the worst reputations in the business. What you know as Zoluska is what we know as HRB/RLM(Hot Russian Brides/Russian Love Match.  We can't see the profiles at Zoluska in America. Only a registration form for ladies to sign up is what I'm allowed to view. I posted a couple of links below and tell me if you can view the sites HRB and RLM from Ukraine.

http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS291US293&q=russian+love+match

Dream marriage is either AnastasiaWeb or an AnastasiaWeb copy cat business model.

The success rate for both agencies are poor. Out of tens of thousands of posts I've read over the years on these forums, one man got married to a HRB woman and one was engaged to an AnastasiaWeb woman but he didn't stay around to finish his story. The man who was married would not recommend the agency and said his wife said her friends only joined the agency to get free dates out of men and thought most of the foreign men who came had problems. You mention you've met one man who had problems.

The way those agencies do business, a man has to have some mental problems or not very intelligent to use them. They send massive amounts of mail to the men flooding their mailbox hoping one of the ladies photos will get the man hooked. Some of those ladies may not know their photo is being used.

The agency you use in Kharkov is one out of many feeder agencies for the big agencies. Some feeder agencies conduct business differently than others. Many are not so honest. They are in competition with each other and the big agencies have thousands or tens of thousands of model looking women's profiles with professional photos.

Not only is it difficult for men to find success at the agencies you're at because he doesn't know the few sincere marriage minded girls from the insincere pro daters and agency spam, it is also difficult for the women to find success because you are competing against 30 model looking women sending letters to every guy out there everyday. A man's brain can get overloaded.

I once sent out postal mail to some ladies. My contact info was hijacked by another major agency with a bad reputation and I was sent 30 letters a day from model looking women. I didn't make a profile but the agency did it for me. I didn't sign up and I didn't write any of those women. Some of the men you are writing will not write you because they may have never signed up or they are not happy with their email getting full from models when average looking women at home won't even go out with them. They are honest with themselves. The men who will do business at your agency may not be honest with themselves and have an over inflated ego thinking those model women are actually attracted to him based on all the letters of interest he's receiving. If he does go to visit the ladies, he certainly will not have a realistic view of his own worth. He may go there feeling like a king, have money but have no brains or integrity.

Maybe you feel comfortable at those agencies because they told you some wonderful things. They are in business to help themselves, not you. I have no problem with business making money but their theme is to connect people and they make it very difficult. Some agencies even turn away all women over 40. The agency system is all new and exciting but after awhile, the letter writing, video chat, messaging all get boring and you may begin to think it's going nowhere especially since you are up against many other ladies and agency employees who are sending out letters against yours. Also women who don't look so beautiful will never be listed on page 1 but page 64. Most men don't have time to look through 64 pages of profiles. They skim the first few pages of an agency and then find another if they can't find anybody they interests them to sign up.

Have you read some of the profiles from the other ladies at the agency? Many say travelling is their hobby. For retired men, travelling may be their hobby but most men who seek a wife want a family oriented woman to build a life with. That means a home and work life. Many sincere family oriented men do not have big money and can't promise women to travel around the World and will be turned off by the profiles they read at those agencies. Men who have money and don't mind throwing it all to women will be the biggest customers of those agencies.

You will find two different types of men in a church and in a strip club. Different agencies attract different kinds of men based of their business model. Evaluate the situation and think about the kind of men who will use those agencies and if the agency has your best interest for finding success and love. Already you have found it difficult to exchange contact information since they can remove you from the agency. They tell you that you can find a wonderful man at their agency but make it difficult for you to communicate with the man.

There's more I can say but you can google the names of the agencies and the word "scam" and you read what others have to say.

[JR]

JollyRats, I know you love me but you can't have me all to yourself by scaring women away. I told you last week, I don't date men!

Who says I'm a man???? Now come on Billy, you KNOW you WANT IT!!!! Just admit it and come on over to the dark side ))))

[Assamena]

BillyB, sorry me, but I found your post kind of boring, that;s why I did not write reply fast, three times I was trying to read that, and on third time. I think I finished reading.

But here I read this, sounds for me most then just strange!!! And I read this already somewhere on forum I think.

"I once sent out postal mail to some ladies. My contact info was hijacked by another major agency with a bad reputation and I was sent 30 letters a day from model looking women. I didn't make a profile but the agency did it for me. I didn't sign up and I didn't write any of those women. Some of the men you are writing will not write you because they may have never signed up or they are not happy with their email getting full from models when average looking women at home won't even go out with them. They are honest with themselves. The men who will do business at your agency may not be honest with themselves and have an over inflated ego thinking those model women are actually attracted to him based on all the letters of interest he's receiving. If he does go to visit the ladies, he certainly will not have a realistic view of his own worth. He may go there feeling like a king, have money but have no brains or integrity."

Why agency was interested in your contact? And why they sent 30 letters day from you, as I understood account, which they made. Why they did it, who payed for sending letters if they cost somehing???